Let's Talk About Sin

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OJ said:
Just in case it isn't a ferry tale, I'm covered. What about you?
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I'll joyfully feed the worms when I'm dead and gone. Not worried about Santa bringing out his naughty and nice list while I wait in line in purgatory. :)
 
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MercyPercy said:
I'll joyfully feed the worms when I'm dead and gone. Not worried about Santa bringing out his naughty and nice list while I wait in line in purgatory. :)
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Purgatory was done away with & there's no waiting in line. Now, you just go straight to the Throne of God & He will deal with you on how you lived your life.....enjoy. :)
 
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OJ said:
Just in case it isn't a ferry tale, I'm covered. What about you?
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It's cool, because even if your god is real, your hell isn't. Why else would god wait until the New Testament to bring it up? Why else would Jews not believe in hell?
 
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#309
Oh and every time I lay in bed next to my girlfriend whom I am not married to, I feel Hells fire.

And when I smoke a cigarette.

And when I light up a bowl.

And when I eat copious amounts of fast food.

And when I see my hot neighbor and think about the nasty things I would do to her.

And when I drink a beer.

And when I scream ******nit when I am having a particularly painful bowel movement.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Are you capable of staying on topic and responding in less than 1 million words?

And not all religions make exclusivity claims. Any religion that believes in either option A, salvation through deeds, or B no salvation at all, would have no need to make exclusivity claims. These religions either believe that all people who do what is right are saved, or that no afterlife exists. Hinduism is a great example of a religion that does teach exclusivity. It's also twice as old as most Christians believe the earth to be.
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Both would be denying the exclusive truth claim of Christianity-- salvation through Christ alone. They would literally be saying that Christianity is wrong-- thus making an an exclusive truth claim. Even if they claimed all three are ways to salvation, they would be saying Christianity is wrong, thus an exclusive truth claim.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Nor did you answer any of mine. And I haven't answered your question because your back to philosophy again. With you "what is truth" question. That's not what I'm hear to debate.

But it is adorable that you have to jump to such absurd analogies to try and justify your illogical religious beliefs.
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It was actually a "what is morality" question, which you are here to debate, since you alluded to the fact that God is "wrong" for sending certain people to hell. I'd like to hear your answer too.

And edit: What about philosophy scares you? You are making philosophical assertions about God.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Both would be denying the exclusive truth claim of Christianity-- salvation through Christ alone. They would literally be saying that Christianity is wrong-- thus making an an exclusive truth claim. Even if they claimed all three are ways to salvation, they would be saying Christianity is wrong, thus an exclusive truth claim.
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Are you really listening to yourself?

A religion that only required you to be a good person, would be exclusive? That makes a lot of sense.

Or a religion that didn't even require anything of you would be exclusive? That makes a lot of sense too.

Christianity being exclusive is not a valid reason for saying all religions are exclusive.
 
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Vol8188 said:
1. I don't want to go down this road because I don't have the free time to explain to you that logic, justice, and opinions on right and wrong can all be formed without the influence of a god.

I'm game. Explain away how a objective justice can be formed.

2. If you really believe Hinduism has any form of "exclusivity" then you know absolutely nothing about Hinduism. So please drop the ignorant claims about other religions.

They profess as truth, truth that contradicts Christian claims. It's really pretty easy.

3. My argument is not that your god doesn't exist (although I do not believe he does, but that is a different argument). I never stated, "your is doesn't exist because he makes horribly bad decisions about who gets into heaven". My argument is simply that your gods system for selecting who he condemns is an extremely unfair one. And that I could not personally worship any god who would send good people to hell, simply for being born in the wrong place.
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If the same Bible that describes God also makes the case that everyone deserves Hell, then it's very just when anyone goes to hell. Anyone going to heaven would thus be very gracious. No?
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Some people just like to be told how they should live, which, like dink said, is incredibly ironic considering most, if not all, on this board are against big government.

Apparently, some feel that if their life has no meaning, their life is not worth living.
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That and the Jesus described in scripture would have been caste as a left of the ACLU tree hugging liberal by damn near everyone.

Love, worship and obey him or burn.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
If the same Bible that describes God also makes the case that everyone deserves Hell, then it's very just when anyone goes to hell. Anyone going to heaven would thus be very gracious. No?
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Lmfao. Because they contradict your specific religion, they are exclusive?

So Christianity's exclusivity makes all other religions exclusive. I give up. Have fun with your fairy tales, I'll stay at home and keep an extra 10% of my income.
 
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Lexvol said:
Though this is really way off topic in relation to the OP's original intent….Christianity does have a real problem with exclusivity considering that their are still people on earth that live and die every day who have never heard the name, Jesus. It is hard to reconcile this with the evangelical messengers out there.

That is just today…and doesn't account for the millions that lived and died in ignorance of Christ over the last 2013 years.
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It's not really a problem for Christianity. It's a problem for people that don't want to entertain the idea that sinners deserve to go to hell. Paul dealt with it in Romans. He said that the law accuses those with the law, and the innate law within everyone (their conscience) accuse everyone without the law. Every adult that has ever died has died knowing that they failed a standard of good/bad. (Well, maybe not every adult. There are those without such mental capacity. That's why we have an insanity plea, for the defective humans that do not have a sense of the 'law'.)

That means that the gospel (good news) is a message of grace/mercy-- i.e. getting what you don't deserve, and not getting what you do deserve.

So, people who have never heard the gospel is not a 'problem' for Christianity. It's just a problem for people who don't like how God does things.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Lmfao. Because they contradict your specific religion, they are exclusive?

So Christianity's exclusivity makes all other religions exclusive. I give up. Have fun with your fairy tales, I'll stay at home and keep an extra 10% of my income.
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Exclusive:

1. excluding or not admitting other things.



You serious Clark?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Are you really listening to yourself?

A religion that only required you to be a good person, would be exclusive? That makes a lot of sense.

Or a religion that didn't even require anything of you would be exclusive? That makes a lot of sense too.

Christianity being exclusive is not a valid reason for saying all religions are exclusive.
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Look up. Exclusive: excluding the Christian teaching as true? Get it?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Exclusive:

1. excluding or not admitting other things.



You serious Clark?
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But they do not exclude anyone or any god. Your god excludes them. That makes Christianity exclusive, not Hinduism. Hindus are allowed to worship any god. Is that really that complicated of a concept?
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Oh and every time I lay in bed next to my girlfriend whom I am not married to, I feel Hells fire.

And when I smoke a cigarette.

And when I light up a bowl.

And when I eat copious amounts of fast food.

And when I see my hot neighbor and think about the nasty things I would do to her.

And when I drink a beer.

And when I scream ******nit when I am having a particularly painful bowel movement.
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At least you know you're a sinner like everybody else.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Lmfao. Because they contradict your specific religion, they are exclusive?

So Christianity's exclusivity makes all other religions exclusive.
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Now I see why you were scared of philosophy. It requires the use of logic. Carry on.
 
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Vol8188 said:
But they do not exclude anyone or any god. Your god excludes them. That makes Christianity exclusive, not Hinduism. Hindus are allowed to worship any god. Is that really that complicated of a concept?
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Go back and read my post. I said "Exclusive truth claims".

You don't seem to be seeking truth, but convenience.
 
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Being a good person because you fear divine punishment is infinitely less impressive than being a good person because you believe it is the right way to live.

Continue living in fear, must suck.
 
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Vol8188 said:
But they do not exclude anyone or any god. Your god excludes them. That makes Christianity exclusive, not Hinduism. Hindus are allowed to worship any god. Is that really that complicated of a concept?
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Christianity is exclusive. Does that mean that it is untrue, or that you are uncomfortable with it?
 
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