Let's Talk About Sin

#453
#453
Its a cold winter day and you've fallen in the river off a boat. I've got a hand out offering you a way into the boat. Instead you swim around the boat looking for a way to climb back in by yourself but there is only one way. Take my help. You refuse and drown. All your friends are saying that I should have made another way for you to climb in and are unhappy with me.........





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#454
#454
orangeslice13 said:
Its a cold winter day and you've fallen in the river off a boat. I've got a hand out offering you a way into the boat. Instead you swim around the boat looking for a way to climb back in by yourself but there is only one way. Take my help. You refuse and drown. All your friends are saying that I should have made another way for you to climb in and are unhappy with me.........





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Yeah, you created the next great Phil Collins single!
 
#456
#456
orangeslice13 said:
Its a cold winter day and you've fallen in the river off a boat. I've got a hand out offering you a way into the boat. Instead you swim around the boat looking for a way to climb back in by yourself but there is only one way. Take my help. You refuse and drown. All your friends are saying that I should have made another way for you to climb in and are unhappy with me.........






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Kevin Hart jokes about his Muslim friend - YouTube


Some profanity. (He's talking about his trip to Tennessee. (Chattanooga)
 
#461
#461
This is single biggest issue I have with Christian beliefs..

If God is believed to be omnipotent and omniscient, then that means that before He ever created mankind he knew EXACTLY what would happen. He knew man would sin, he knew man would be wicked, he knew that mankind would pollute and pervert this earth, causing evil and tragedy. God knew before He ever created Lucifer that he would rebel against him and take 1/3 of Heaven's angels with him. God knew that Lucifer would tempt Eve in the garden and Eve would give into that temptation, starting this whole mess to begin with. So the question that I have is, why did He do it? Why create mankind to begin with, knowing what the end result would be? The Bible says that God created man because he desired fellowship. So basically God served His own desires in spite of knowing just how horrible it would all turn out. To me that doesn't make any sense. It would have made more sense for God to step back and NEVER to have created mankind in the first place.

Here's another question I have. If God is considered "perfect" then why aren't his creations? If sin is considered to have entered the world through Eve because she was tempted by Satan, what tempted Lucifer to betray God? If God created all the angels, Lucifer included, then God also put in them ability to be prideful and jealous. Why? Why would He do that and then proceed to cast them out for simply acting on the very tendencies that He put in them?
 
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#462
Brave Volunteer said:
This is single biggest issue I have with Christian beliefs..

If God is believed to be omnipotent and omniscient, then that means that before He ever created mankind he knew EXACTLY what would happen. He knew man would sin, he knew man would be wicked, he knew that mankind would pollute and pervert this earth, causing evil and tragedy. God knew before He ever created Lucifer that he would rebel against him and take 1/3 of Heaven's angels with him. God knew that Lucifer would tempt Eve in the garden and Eve would give into that temptation, starting this whole mess to begin with. So the question that I have is, why did He do it? Why create mankind to begin with, knowing what the end result would be? The Bible says that God created man because he desired fellowship. So basically God served His own desires in spite of knowing just how horrible it would all turn out. To me that doesn't make any sense. It would have made more sense for God to step back and NEVER to have created mankind in the first place.

Here's another question I have. If God is considered "perfect" then why aren't his creations? If sin is considered to have entered the world through Eve because she was tempted by Satan, what tempted Lucifer to betray God? If God created all the angels, Lucifer included, then God also put in them ability to be prideful and jealous. Why? Why would He do that and then proceed to cast them out for simply acting on the very tendencies that He put in them?
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Ever read the book of Job?
 
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#463
orangeslice13 said:
Ever read the book of Job?
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Of course. What is your point? I personally think the book of Job is complete nonsense. Yes God rewarded him with new land, new family, new wife etc. But you cannot POSSIBLY tell me that would erase the pain and anguish for what Job went through to begin with! If I lost my wife tragically and then later on remarried, that doesn't suddenly erase all the pain inside me from the grief of losing my current wife!

To me, It doesn't make God just and righteous because He restored everything He made Job suffer from. It would've made God just and righteous never to have allowed Job to suffer that way in the first place!
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Of course. What is your point? I personally think the book of Job is complete nonsense. Yes God rewarded him with new land, new family, new wife etc. But you cannot POSSIBLY tell me that would erase the pain and anguish for what Job went through to begin with! If I lost my wife tragically and then later on remarried, that doesn't suddenly erase all the pain inside me from the grief of losing my current wife!
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There is a small group of people who think the entire book of Job is a metaphor. It is the answer to the question "why"

Not sure what I think about that but it makes for an interesting read when you put it in that context.




Sorry for your loss no matter how long ago.
 
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orangeslice13 said:
Well crap. I've been working on this for 15 min.

Ok I can start over.

How would you define yourself?
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I'm much more spiritual oriented than religiously oriented. I like the idea of a celestial being (or beings), and the idea of the forces of karma, devotion (to your fellow man), and cosmic connections between certain people and groups.

I dunno, man. I'm out there. I guess I'm weird agnostic (or an atheist with no balls as Vols8188 puts it) who likes the idea of these things, but I've yet to bear witness to supernatural phenomena.
 
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#471
supernatural phenomena?

every day we live is a miracle. a miracle doesn't have to be a mind blowing experience to be a miracle.
 
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#473
on personal opinion, the birth of my children was a miracle. the fact that they were healthy was a miracle.

if I was expecting to see something so incredible, that it changed my mind. i'm sure that it would never happen.
 
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#474
DinkinFlicka said:
I'm much more spiritual oriented than religiously oriented. I like the idea of a celestial being (or beings), and the idea of the forces of karma, devotion (to your fellow man), and cosmic connections between certain people and groups.

I dunno, man. I'm out there. I guess I'm weird agnostic (or an atheist with no balls as Vols8188 puts it) who likes the idea of these things, but I've yet to bear witness to supernatural phenomena.
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Ok so its "the ballad of the Non denominational follower of Christ and his Godless, balless, wonder of a imaginary friend"

Or "Dink, Flick and Slice part 1"


That's all I got so far
 
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loggervol said:
on personal opinion, the birth of my children was a miracle. the fact that they were healthy was a miracle.

if I was expecting to see something so incredible, that it changed my mind. i'm sure that it would never happen.
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Not trying to be douche here man but, miracle? You keep using this word - it does not mean what you think it means.
 
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