Lets take a look at coaching hires around NCAA football lately.

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vol2013 said:
Both are pretty common knowledge. With the panthers he was a serious canidate, and interviewed a couple of times and was considered a serious canidate. He also interviewed for the Pitt head coaching job and it was rumored that he pulled his name out because he wanted to stay at alabama until his son graduated. Whether the rumor is true or not does not change the fact that he was a canidate for the job.

Source: Alabama assistant Sal Sunseri interviews for Pitt vacancy | al.com
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Its "candidate."
 
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cincivol said:
I agree. I am just saying that I think a good hire will ease the fan base going into the season. But, a bad hire starts to piss people off right now. A bad hire pisses me off right now and I don't even wait or give him the benefit of doubt.:rtfm:
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But whether or not it is a good or bad hire will be determined as next season unfolds. If Jim Bob off the street is hired and they win 8 games, it will be considered an outstanding hire. If Dick LeBeau is hired (which would actually increase expectations/pressure on Dooley, not placate the fanbase) and there is no improvement or a regression, he's gone. Results are all that matter. Even the most deluded of fans I think would give Dooley the 2012 season to see if his new DC's got it even if it isn't a big name.

I think a lot of fans are still living in the past about the current value of a Tennessee job. We just saw our former DC head off to a mediocre Pac 12 school. I know that's his home, but in the past the DC job at Tennessee would have been worth living on the other side of the country for. It isn't anymore. We haven't been able to recruit the best high school players in recent years, so why should we be able to snag the biggest name coaches?

I have no doubt that Dooley is going to get the best person possible for the job. This is a two-way street - he can't force anybody to come to Tennessee. If the bigger name guys don't want to come, there's nothing Dooley can do about it now. He has to hire the best one who wants to be a part of his staff.
 
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I would like to see the OP detailed evaluation of the 4 coordinators in the NC game. At least 3 of the 4 guys were hired with a resume that would have been ridiculed in the original post. One was a coordinator at fresno(JM),one never a coordinator(Smart), one a DC at Al A and M(Chavis), and the LSU OC was ????. I don't even know who he was. The point is the OP can pick and choose all he wants to try to prove his agenda but the facts of 2011 prove his slant wrong.
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Penn States hire was desperation and is going to end up being horrible for them..

Boise States OC will not hack it in the SEC.. JMO FWIW.

Van gorder sucks.. you dont leave the NFL for a college team because its a step up... he couldn't get it done with NFL level talent but he is going to be better with less talent that he actually has to coach up himself?
 
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joshc said:
The PSU fanbase was really p***ed. You mock TN for trying to get a well known, successful lb coach and recruiter to be our DC, but then you think it's a great hire when PSU gets an OC to be HC.
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supravols said:
How did the last OC from the Pats do? Weis at Notre Dame.
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you guys bring up an interesting point, so i look at it like this...new england could have anybody on the sideline because Belichick runs that team regardless...pretty much the same way saban runs alabama and the other guys are just there drawing a paycheck...as if we havent already seen how bad one of sabans assistants are already do we really need 2 of them running it into the ground? a few days ago nobody in tn could even tell you the name of alabamas lb coach was and now he is a good coach and recruiter? whatever. when i seen this fatty the first person i thought of was weiss.
 
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BruinVol said:
I would like to see the OP detailed evaluation of the 4 coordinators in the NC game. At least 3 of the 4 guys were hired with a resume that would have been ridiculed in the original post. One was a coordinator at fresno(JM),one never a coordinator(Smart), one a DC at Al A and M(Chavis), and the LSU OC was ????. I don't even know who he was. The point is the OP can pick and choose all he wants to try to prove his agenda but the facts of 2011 prove his slant wrong.
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to me it proves that the head coaches have a bigger part in the equation than the assistant coaches do,..seems clear to me that saban and miles put the game plan together....with that being said how do you think we fare if we have to rely on dooley to run his game plan next season if we end up with some no-name with no resume? put your spin on it and let us know.
 
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BruinVol said:
I would like to see the OP detailed evaluation of the 4 coordinators in the NC game. At least 3 of the 4 guys were hired with a resume that would have been ridiculed in the original post. One was a coordinator at fresno(JM),one never a coordinator(Smart), one a DC at Al A and M(Chavis), and the LSU OC was ????. I don't even know who he was. The point is the OP can pick and choose all he wants to try to prove his agenda but the facts of 2011 prove his slant wrong.
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To further this point:

Bama DC Kirby Smart - His most impressive position was being the safeties coach for the Dolphins. The year before that he was a RUNNING BACKS coach at UGA.

Bama OC Jim McElwain - Hired after a one year stint at Fresno State, in which the offense was good, but not spectacular. This would be the equivalent of hiring Tommy Spangler.

LSU OC Steve Kragthorpe (who was originally the OC but stepped down to QB coach after he was diagnosed with Parkinson's) - Was an absolute failure as a head coach at Louisville and left the program in shambles. This after he was labeled a can't miss coaching prospect while coaching at Tulsa.

UF DC Dan Quinn - Was the defensive line coach for the Seahawks before taking the UF job. Sunseri was the DL coach for the Panthers. What a huge difference.

Oklahoma State OC Todd Monken - WR coach for the Jaguars (really?) before taking the job last February. He had the best offense in the country this season.

Georgia DC Todd Grantham - Was the DL coach for the Cowboys.

I don't think anyone would argue that Smart, Quinn, Monken, and Grantham haven't worked out for their teams. Sunseri has coached at the NFL level and been a successful assistant in college.
 
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Mr.Fister said:
you guys bring up an interesting point, so i look at it like this...new england could have anybody on the sideline because Belichick runs that team regardless...pretty much the same way saban runs alabama and the other guys are just there drawing a paycheck...as if we havent already seen how bad one of sabans assistants are already do we really need 2 of them running it into the ground? a few days ago nobody in tn could even tell you the name of alabamas lb coach was and now he is a good coach and recruiter? whatever. when i seen this fatty the first person i thought of was weiss.
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There is no comparison between him and weis. The only thing weis had on his resume was his time with Belichick. Sunseri's resume on the other hand has alot more than his time with saban. To your point about nobody knowing who he was until a couple of days ago, that is wrong. Most people that follow college football know who sunseri is. Will he be a national recruiter of the year here like he was at alabama? Probably not, but he will still be a damn good recruiter. He has alot to pitch to recruits and is a very well liked coach by recruits.
 
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UTCVol said:
To further this point:

Bama DC Kirby Smart - His most impressive position was being the safeties coach for the Dolphins. The year before that he was a RUNNING BACKS coach at UGA.

Bama OC Jim McElwain - Hired after a one year stint at Fresno State, in which the offense was good, but not spectacular. This would be the equivalent of hiring Tommy Spangler.

LSU OC Steve Kragthorpe (who was originally the OC but stepped down to QB coach after he was diagnosed with Parkinson's) - Was an absolute failure as a head coach at Louisville and left the program in shambles. This after he was labeled a can't miss coaching prospect while coaching at Tulsa.

UF DC Dan Quinn - Was the defensive line coach for the Seahawks before taking the UF job. Sunseri was the DL coach for the Panthers. What a huge difference.

Oklahoma State OC Todd Monken - WR coach for the Jaguars (really?) before taking the job last February. He had the best offense in the country this season.

Georgia DC Todd Grantham - Was the DL coach for the Cowboys.

I don't think anyone would argue that Smart, Quinn, Monken, and Grantham haven't worked out for their teams. Sunseri has coached at the NFL level and been a successful assistant in college.
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You can take examples and argue both points without question. A good lawyer would do just that but the OP (that has law in his user name) wasn't near smart enough to list names that proved his point. He was foolish enough to include the Penn state hire in his list of examples. I am sure he gets sued for malpractice often with that kind of ignorant use of evidence.
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ImportedVoL said:
Penn States hire was desperation and is going to end up being horrible for them..
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i know i would be pissed if we hired the oc/qb/wr coach of the patriots, you can tell they were desperate to get such a low quality coach. there must not have been anybody available from the acc.:good!:
 
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I have one question for all of you Shannon lovers as Dooley's replacement. He was head coach for 4 seasons at Miami. Last I heard coaching in Florida HS football is near the top in the nation. If you can't win BIG at Florida, Florida St. or Miami what kind of coach are you.

Head coaching record
Miami Hurricanes (Atlantic Coast Conference) (2007–2010)
2007 Miami 5–7 2–6 5th (Coastal)
2008 Miami 7–6 4–4 T–3rd (Coastal) Lost Emerald Bowl
2009 Miami 9–4 5–3 3rd (Coastal) Lost Champs Sports
2010 Miami 7–5 5–3 2nd (Coastal) Sun*
Miami: 28–22 16–16 *Shannon was fired from Miami before bowl game.
Total: 28–22
Why do you want him as head coach?
 
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BearBryant said:
I have one question for all of you Shannon lovers as Dooley's replacement. He was head coach for 4 seasons at Miami. Last I heard coaching in Florida HS football is near the top in the nation. If you can't win BIG at Florida, Florida St. or Miami what kind of coach are you.

Head coaching record
Miami Hurricanes (Atlantic Coast Conference) (2007–2010)
2007 Miami 5–7 2–6 5th (Coastal)
2008 Miami 7–6 4–4 T–3rd (Coastal) Lost Emerald Bowl
2009 Miami 9–4 5–3 3rd (Coastal) Lost Champs Sports
2010 Miami 7–5 5–3 2nd (Coastal) Sun*
Miami: 28–22 16–16 *Shannon was fired from Miami before bowl game.
Total: 28–22
Why do you want him as head coach?
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I wouldn't. However I would take a chance on him as DC. :yes:

I'd rather Dooley be replaced by one of several other individuals if UT doesn't win at least 8 games in 2012.
 
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DaytonLawVol said:
Really? Youd be upset with the offensive coordinator from the New England Patriots? Really?
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Have you seen how past asst coaches from the Pats have done as HC at other places? Anyone would do well as the Pats OC. There are a lot of people questioning this hire, including most ex players from Penn St.
 
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DaytonLawVol said:
Let me clue you in.

Penn State fans were mad that O'Brien isnt a guy who graduated from Penn State, or played at Penn State.

You're telling me that in the world of assistant coaches... A linebackers coach at Alabama is on par with an offensive coordinator from New England? Im not saying O'Brien was a "great" hire. But its a better hire than a linebackers coach from Bama.

Im ready for you to spin it when we get Buddy Greene. Would hiring Buddy Greene be as good as Ohio State hiring Urban Meyer?
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Considering we aren't hiring a head coach, I wouldn't expect our hire to be "as good" as those.

Dumb comparision. The other two make sense.
 
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#72
Let's move on and go spend the money to get Herm Edwards. I view him in the same mold of Pete Carroll. Ok coach in the NFL and would be very popular to the college athlete. It would also send a meassage that UT is back
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The perception that the media and fans seem to believe is next year is the year Dooles has to get something done. Bad time to lose your DC.

Big names want some sort of incentive to come here. Seems the big fish that we may or may not have offered, don't like what was offered.
 
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Cartervol said:
The perception that the media and fans seem to believe is next year is the year Dooles has to get something done. Bad time to lose your DC.

Big names want some sort of incentive to come here. Seems the big fish that we may or may not have offered, don't like what was offered.
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Or we didn't like them.
 
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gnm53108 said:
Or we didn't like them.
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You see that's kind of the problem. It should be Dooley's decision and his only if Hart is truly behind him. If not then move on. No one is coming here without some kind of security. I get the feeling most want 3 years and all they're willing to give is 2. We'll find someone to fill that spot if that's the case. It won't be someone everyone goes apeshat over though.
 
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