Let's take a break...BCS vs. Playoffs...

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#126
Orangeyankee, i have a couple of issues with your post.
OrangeYankee said:
I think some of you wishing for 8 16 and even 24 team playoffs need to step back and think about that for a minute. A 16 team play off is a 4 round playoff... that's another month of games to be played right around finals?
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march madness is during finals for schools that still use the quarter system.
OrangeYankee said:
Edit: The other issue to think about is lets say for argument in a 8 team playoff that the number one seed makes it all the way to the championship game. You really think fans will pony up for THREE bowl games (Not just tickets, but travel, hotel, and meals as well?)
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What does $$$ have to do with it? I thought we were trying to have a legitimate NC?
 
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Dr Dread said:
When they decided decided not to play in a real conference with a real schedule. Are you seriously going to make the argument that schedules one game a season against a major program, contributes nothing else to the excitement of the season, then whines about being left out of the championship picture is more deserving of consideration than the teams in the conferences that make college football exciting throughout the season by playing games that they could actually lose?
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I love how people like to think that teams like Boise ST can just up and leave and join any conference they want.

Haven't you read anything? Boise has been BEGGING the big schools to play them...not a home and home...just one game at the big school..and nobody will play them..and don't give me the "Boise has nothing to lose and the big school has everything to lose" crap.
Boise finished the season 14 and 0....RANKED #4 in the nation....there are at least 63 other teams that would come out ahead IF they beat Boise. (and yes Tennessee is one of them) Why is it if Tennessee would beat a #4 ranked Ohio St. then ALL IS GREAT..but if they beat a #4 ranked Boise St. then it's no big deal...it's just Boise St.
or the other way around...UT loses to a #4Ohio St. and it is expected..UT loses to #4 Boise St. and all heck brakes loose...that is bull crap..#4 is #4..and at least Oregon St. and Virgina Tech have the guts to play Boise St.
 
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rmsmith said:
Orangeyankee, i have a couple of issues with your post.

march madness is during finals for schools that still use the quarter system.

What does $$$ have to do with it? I thought we were trying to have a legitimate NC?
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Which I would have to guess is not very many. Every school I am familiar with MM's first two rounds land during spring break. And also football = 1 game a week, you can play 2 or 3 in basketball and not miss a beat.

On your second point, I do agree the playoff system would definitely leave less questions about who the champion is (proven on the field) but there are logistics involved here. You have a bowl system that most people love (most of your pro-playoff people try to fit into the current bowl schedule), however it doesn't prove very good for a playoff system. That is all I am saying. If a play off larger than 4 teams were to happen it would definitely have to be played at the home field of the higher seed, and the season would have to be truncated to allow for that schedule. It is possible, but I'm just not sure that will ever fly well with anyone who profits from this. Sad, yes, but I believe that is the reality of the situation.

My main opinion is I think a 4 team play off at the end of the day would be sufficient to finding the champion while keeping the current system mostly in tact. A: it has the most probability of happening and B: it still keeps the best part of the current season in place: the regular season.
 
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Squoshua17 said:
Go to 11 game regular season. Top 2 teams of each big conference get automatic spots. That makes 12. Throw in the next 4 best records from every conference, which makes 16, and seed them 1-8 on each side. If FL and AL, or TX and OK are both 11-0 at the end of the year, go down a tiebreaker list to seed them. So based on seeding, each 'quadrant' of 4 teams would be assigned to what is now a bcs bowl, those games being played in the 2nd round. Now, this wouldn't guarantee and AL sugar bowl appearance, even if they finish 1st in the sec... But they would have the CHANCE to make it there. If the winners of the pac10/big10 are both undefeated, put them in the same quadrant, since the rose bowl is a lock every year. Play the final 3 games at other pre-determined neutral stadiums. I wouldn't see any problems in this system?
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I would do it this way..
we have 11 conferences, thus 11 conference champs.
Seed them 1 through 11.
5 of the conferences have split divisions so you take the loser of each conference championship game...seed them 12 through 16.
now you have a 16 team playoff. and for all the people that would gripe because Troy got a higher seed than Florida..tough (the regular season is a playoff right?) ...that means that Florida didn't get it done the the regular season.

each game is played at the higher seeded teams home with the last 4 rounds being the Rose, Orange, Feasta and sugar Bowls (they can rotate every year for the simis) the last game is the National Championship Game.
 
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Teams that make the BCS bowls make the tourney, and teams in all the other bowls continue to play in those bowls. But cut the number of bowl teams down, must have an above .500 record.
 
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What will it take for NCAA officials to realize that the BCS isn't the best way to determine the NC every year? What scenario needs to happen where the BCS simply can't get around screwing a team out of a chance to win a title and they are forced to do it?
 
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BCS is fine, but a terrible team in a big conference could get a bcs bid because of regulations like #2 in the SEC east gets the outback bowl. #2 in the SEC west gets the Chick-fil-a bowl. I know their not BCS bowls, but still if that happens like a terrible USC team vs. a powerhouse Florida team who's gonna win of course Florida is with no competition in the Sugar Bowl. I know that they played Cincinnati, but i wanted to use a bigger conference. #1 undefeated SEC almost always gets to go the NC. #2 in the SEC goes to the sugar bowl typically. That's why i have to go with the playoffs.:eek:k:
 
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#137
Give me a playoff or go back to the old bowl system (but restrict bids until the end of the season).

I liked the big bowls better when the Orange, Sugar, Rose, etc. all mattered the same year - the BCS winner is still mythical. The old bowl system made for more interesting major bowls and more interesting discussions about who was the MNC.
 
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OrangeYankee said:
I didn't follow them as closely at the time, but didn't UT need some extra luck in some calls and the way the ball bounced in '98 to finish undefeated?
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We got a pass interference call on a fourth-down play in the season opener at Syracuse, on the drive we mounted for the game-winning field goal. It was the type of call that's not made half the time, but it was correct.

The only other situation that qualifies was Stoerner's Stumble. However, that entire sequence of events was triggered when a Tennessee defensive lineman fired off the line and drove back an All-American tackle, whose leg Stoerner tripped over. We'd gotten a bad break earlier in the fourth quarter, when a referee's erroneous call kept us from getting the ball on the Arkansas' 5-yard line, and winning the game right then.

So yes, a few things went right, but all in all, that team earned what it got.
 
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#139
I think they should take the winners from the four major BCS conferences, automatic spots for the winners of the Big 10, SEC, Pac 10, and Big 12. Then throw in 4 Wild Card teams just based on national rankings, regardless of conference. Then, just play it like the elite 8 from there on. Highest remaining seed vs. the lowest remaining seed. First team to 3 wins would be the national champion.
 
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#140
If they can change the BCS formula on what seems like a yearly basis, then there's no reason they can't start off some form of a playoff and modify it as seen fit.
 
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#141
First you`ll only get a playoff when the NCAA wants one does anyone remember Coach Pat Summit and the Lady Vols use to play for the NAIA national title then the NCAA decided they wanted to crown a national champion all schools belong to the NCAA and they are the only ones who can sanction a true National Champion.
That being said here goes:
season cut back to 10 games in 11 wks(AD`s won`t go for this lose too much money)
automatic bids for regular season champion of
Big 10-Big12-SEC-ACC-PAC 10-WAC-Mt. West
all non-con. games must come from these teams(must rotate teams back to back games only for home &home)
bowls for teams who don`t make playoff
 
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#142
Playoffs would add a ton of more excitment, and its only fair...

Take it out of the computers hands and people who vote who dont even actually play the game. :rock::

:hi::clapping:
 
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#145
my vote is to keep BCS...but at most id live with a four team playoff

not having playoffs is what makes college football regular season so enjoyable to me at least

playoffs rnt gonna do anything about making it "more fair" bc there will always be controversy on who is competing...if you do a 4 team playoff, you still have a problem...bc who will be ranking the teams? -the same bcs system

then teams and fans in the 5 and 6 slots would still complain about not getting in...same as teams being left out of the college basketball tourney...and it would happen in an 8 team, 12 team, or even 16 team playoff

i do see how a playoff system could theoretically help, but a playoff system doesn't eliminate controversy just creates a different kind controversy
 
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VolBadger said:
my vote is to keep BCS...but at most id live with a four team playoff

not having playoffs is what makes college football regular season so enjoyable to me at least

playoffs rnt gonna do anything about making it "more fair" bc there will always be controversy on who is competing...if you do a 4 team playoff, you still have a problem...bc who will be ranking the teams? -the same bcs system

then teams and fans in the 5 and 6 slots would still complain about not getting in...same as teams being left out of the college basketball tourney...and it would happen in an 8 team, 12 team, or even 16 team playoff

i do see how a playoff system could theoretically help, but a playoff system doesn't eliminate controversy just creates a different kind controversy
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What kind of controversy would it create?
 
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rmsmith said:
What kind of controversy would it create?
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this:

playoffs rnt gonna do anything about making it "more fair" bc there will always be controversy on who is competing...if you do a 4 team playoff, you still have a problem...bc who will be ranking the teams? -the same bcs system

then teams and fans in the 5 and 6 slots would still complain about not getting in...same as teams being left out of the college basketball tourney...and it would happen in an 8 team, 12 team, or even 16 team playoff
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it'll just piss off the teams who rnt in the playoffs just like college bball

...like the bcs nc game is now
 
#149
#149
Yeah but the argument is the teams that actually have a shot to win all get that shot.

That being said, I much prefer it this way than a 16 team playoff.
 
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VolBadger said:
this:

playoffs rnt gonna do anything about making it "more fair" bc there will always be controversy on who is competing...if you do a 4 team playoff, you still have a problem...bc who will be ranking the teams? -the same bcs system

then teams and fans in the 5 and 6 slots would still complain about not getting in...same as teams being left out of the college basketball tourney...and it would happen in an 8 team, 12 team, or even 16 team playoff
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it'll just piss off the teams who rnt in the playoffs just like college bball

...like the bcs nc game is now
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If you aren't in the top 4 then you really dont have a shot at the NC, IMO. If a team played well enough during the season then they will be in the top 4.
 
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