Let's Just Face It

#76
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We are one good hire away from being Alabama's prime headache in conference or one bad hire away from being Vandy. Similarities to Nebraska in fan support and history, but talent is much closer to UT than Neb, plus population/talent pool is growing in TN...can't say that about Neb or any MW state close to Nebraska.
 
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#77
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TN is one of the top 10 winningest programs in the history of college football. That’s no mistake. Or fluke.
 
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Rgntddybrvol91 said:
This is such a silly argument. Alabama has similar numbers over it's history and take out Saban and Bear Bryant and the numbers are worse than Tennessee.
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Exactly. Take away any programs best coaches or eras and they all look mediocre. That’s thirty years you want to overlook?
Bryant & Saban
Spurrier & Myles
Bellichick
And so on
 
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How about instead of taking away Neyland and Fulmer we take away Dooley and Jones. Then where would TN be nationally?
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
This. The only thing Nebraska has to sell is it's name and (I'm assuming) top tier facilities. Location-wise, they may as well be in Montana.
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Nebraska is a nice place. Great people. But it is a long way from any talent concentration.
 
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Sarms58 said:
If the standard is 9-3 (75%) then Tennessee has only achieved that goal 38% of the time...
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Funny to see so much shade thrown on the OP for accepting mediocrity.

Would we trade with Auburn's season? Best they can finish is 10-2...more likely 9-3 assuming they lose to Bammers. Losses to Clemson and Bammers aren't bad losses. Say what you want about the LSU loss, but the Tigers don't lose at home very often. 9-3 = .750 win rate. That's .072 above our historical .678 average.

We're not far off. I agree that a great hire can put us right back to contending for conference championships. The problem is a great hire is very hard to do...even when the cupboard isn't as bare as it was when we hired Butch.

But to expect every decade to be the 90's is setting yourself up for a lot of grief. Look at the 9 schools ahead of us (Boise doesn't count): MI, ND, OSU, AL, OU, UTx, USCw, Neb, and PSU. All of them have had decades of doldrums. The crappy thing is we're in the middle of ours while AL is riding an almost unprecedented high.

Hopefully, Currie makes a great hire this time and we get back to 2 or 3 competitive games (FL/AL/GA?) a year and beat all the rest like a drum. If not, we can still get on here and complain and argue with each other.

GBO!
 
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Matt2496 said:
...that we are the Nebraska of the SEC. We had a really good run in the 80's and 90's but now, Tennessee is not a top tier program. We're not even the best team in our state.

TBH, I don't know how good of a job Tennessee is anymore. Fortunately, there is a deep enough coaching pool for John Currie to really have to screw up in order to make a bad hire. However, if we have to compete against Florida for a particular candidate, we will lose that battle. Every. Time.

I'm not saying we can't ever be good again, but I feel too many TN fans have a false sense of just how good of a job TN actually is.
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Tennessee is not considered as good a FL because we have to play Bama every year, and while the state has good talent, TN HS football is not as talent deep as FL HS football for recruiting. Probably the same for GA. Considering the facilities, stadium and fan support at UT, this is still probably a top 15 job in the country, top 4 or 5 job in the SEC, and much better than Nebraska will ever be. And FL can only have one coach, so there will be others available, however, no matter who you pick, there are no guarantees, still something of a crap shoot.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Some of our "fans" I have to wonder if they're really fans of this program. Tennessee sucks to them, they'll continue to suck and they want them to suck where they can be right. "Oh I love Tennessee, but I'll kick dirt on my team anytime it suits me."

Why don't some of you fair weather, sad sacks find another team to support? You won't be missed.
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ok, ok....I give. When in your opinion is it ok to criticize the program? When we are in the cellar of the SEC (we're there)? Never and just accept it no matter what??? I mean do we just shake our pompoms and go on blindly cheering oblivious to what is happening in the program??

Really, please give me a real answer. I'll hang up and listen to your answer.
 
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Matt2496 said:
...that we are the Nebraska of the SEC. We had a really good run in the 80's and 90's but now, Tennessee is not a top tier program. We're not even the best team in our state.

TBH, I don't know how good of a job Tennessee is anymore. Fortunately, there is a deep enough coaching pool for John Currie to really have to screw up in order to make a bad hire. However, if we have to compete against Florida for a particular candidate, we will lose that battle. Every. Time.

I'm not saying we can't ever be good again, but I feel too many TN fans have a false sense of just how good of a job TN actually is.
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Yep.... might as well shut the program down and call it a day
 
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Matt2496 said:
...that we are the Nebraska of the SEC. We had a really good run in the 80's and 90's but now, Tennessee is not a top tier program. We're not even the best team in our state.

TBH, I don't know how good of a job Tennessee is anymore. Fortunately, there is a deep enough coaching pool for John Currie to really have to screw up in order to make a bad hire. However, if we have to compete against Florida for a particular candidate, we will lose that battle. Every. Time.

I'm not saying we can't ever be good again, but I feel too many TN fans have a false sense of just how good of a job TN actually is.
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You said Tennessee was good in the 80's and 90's......well sure

But Tennessee was also good in the 20's 30's, 40's, 50's, 60's and even the early 70's

Also from 2001-2007 Tennessee had 3 10 win seasons, an 11 win and a 9 win season.

Tennessee just came off of back to back 9 win seasons......sure Tennessee is down and has been for 10 years. But Tennessee has been good in every decade except this one.

From 1997-2007 Alabama had seasons of:
4-7, 7-5, 3-8, 7-5, 4-9, 6-6, 6-7, 7-6 with 2 good seasons in there

Does that look familiar?

Alabama says you are what you want to be......if you put in the work.

They got tired of losing and spent big everywhere in their program....and are now Bama again.

So can Tennessee.
 
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Matt2496 said:
...that we are the Nebraska of the SEC. We had a really good run in the 80's and 90's
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And are one of the winningest programs in the history of college football, even after being mediocre for a decade. Tennessee has had a "good run" at some point in every decade since the 1910s--a streak that's going to end in the 2010s unless our AD gets off his ass and finds the right coach.

Yes, we're the Nebraska of the SEC, and like the Nebraska of the Big Ten, the Nebraska of the SEC will return to contending for conference titles and major bowls once it hires the right coach.
 
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volzfanz said:
Florida has better in state recruiting than TN. But that’s it. Nothing more. It’s a well known fact that they don’t spend any money on their facilities either. Plus there is much more urgency at UF than TN. They have won the SEC east a few times lately. TN generates way more revenue, much better facilities, twice the fan base, and no where near the immediate expectations. So I think you are mistaken. Not to mention UF doesn’t have near the tradition or alumni to rival TN. The only SEC schools that can rival a “good” TN would be Bama or A&M. Not Florida.
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This post is all over the place and factually deficient. It’s not a “well known fact” that UF doesn’t spend any money on facilities. UF just spent 15 million on an indoor practice facility and is in the process of spending 100 million more on stand alone football complex and other upgrades. That’s 115 million over the last few years.

And where do you get the idea that UT has “twice the fan base” and UF doesn’t have “near the alumni” as UT? Florida has an annual student enrollment of 55,000, UT is around 28,000, so UF is almost twice the enrollment. As a byproduct of having nearly double the students, UF churns our thousands more graduates/alumni annually. UF has an estimated 410,000 living alumni, UT has an estimated 250,000.

The “tradition” of both schools is also debatable and I think arguments can be made on both sides and I think both sides have admirable tradition. But that’s not really something you can measure and call factual.
 
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checkerboards09 said:
The last 10 years haven’t helped. That shouldn’t be the standard.
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Yea, take away the last decade and we've met the standard 42% of the time...go back to before Fulmer and we met the standard 40% of the time...

Historically we are an 8-4 team...which isn't as bad as it might look. We all want 13-0 and NC but those are very rare for schools not named Alabama...

I hope we get a coach who can get up back to where we were when Phil was in his prime...we won 81% of our games in the nineties and of course had three conference championships and one national championship...
 
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VolFan..But said:
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This program in what 121 seasons, has one legit National Title. Won 66% of it's games. In spite of what some may think, one of the worst recruiting states in the South. Take out Fulmer and Neyland (32 of the 121) and you are down to 5 SEC titles, zero SEC East Titles, zero National Titles and a 55% winning clip. Expectations are not based in reality. Oh but what it can be. OK, maybe. But the way those expectations are and the history of treating Legends, good luck on getting a coach that can do that for you.

Fact is, the Fulmer era level of success will never happen again for decades if not ever. The 90's run is the best in school history and one of the best in College Football History. His 2000's run is still better then the majority of the school's history.

Set your expectations. Enjoy the pre game, tailgates, Vol Navy and corn hole games and relax. You will have a much better time.
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Check your stats. You can take away the NC's you mentioned and Dickey still has one. Fulmer is not the greatest stretch in UT history. By winning %, he is 5th amongst all UT coaches.
 
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Matt2496 said:
...that we are the Nebraska of the SEC. We had a really good run in the 80's and 90's but now, Tennessee is not a top tier program. We're not even the best team in our state.

TBH, I don't know how good of a job Tennessee is anymore. Fortunately, there is a deep enough coaching pool for John Currie to really have to screw up in order to make a bad hire. However, if we have to compete against Florida for a particular candidate, we will lose that battle. Every. Time.

I'm not saying we can't ever be good again, but I feel too many TN fans have a false sense of just how good of a job TN actually is.
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That's a loser mentality.

Not an insult, I don't mean you're a loser. I mean you've gotten stuck in a loser mentality.

Where Tennessee football is about to go, Nebraska can't follow.

Go Vols!
 
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Matt2496 said:
...that we are the Nebraska of the SEC. We had a really good run in the 80's and 90's but now, Tennessee is not a top tier program. We're not even the best team in our state.

TBH, I don't know how good of a job Tennessee is anymore. Fortunately, there is a deep enough coaching pool for John Currie to really have to screw up in order to make a bad hire. However, if we have to compete against Florida for a particular candidate, we will lose that battle. Every. Time.

I'm not saying we can't ever be good again, but I feel too many TN fans have a false sense of just how good of a job TN actually is.
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I’m sure Alabama felt the same way prior to hiring Saban. Just be patient, we didn’t get to be a top ten all time winningest program by being a bad job. What we have to do is hire the right coach and we will be back. Just look at the amount of success an average coach had over the last few years.
 
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Originally Posted by Matt2496 View Post
...that we are the Nebraska of the SEC. We had a really good run in the 80's and 90's but now, Tennessee is not a top tier program. We're not even the best team in our state.

TBH, I don't know how good of a job Tennessee is anymore. Fortunately, there is a deep enough coaching pool for John Currie to really have to screw up in order to make a bad hire. However, if we have to compete against Florida for a particular candidate, we will lose that battle. Every. Time.

I'm not saying we can't ever be good again, but I feel too many TN fans have a false sense of just how good of a job TN actually is.

VFL-82-JP said:
That's a loser mentality.

Not an insult, I don't mean you're a loser. I mean you've gotten stuck in a loser mentality.

Where Tennessee football is about to go, Nebraska can't follow.

Go Vols!
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Hey JP,

I don't start threads, so I'll throw this out to you --

Why don't you consider creating a new Coach Search Character Values vs General Neyland thread (you know, comparing how the coaches currently being evaluated by John Currie would fair against General Neyland, value/character/and coaching-approach-wise; and/or, what kind of values would General Neyland be looking for, IF he were part of the Interview process along with Currie / i.e. IF Gen Neyland were in the office/on the road with Currie during all visits). Just a thought.
 
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Matt2496 said:
...that we are the Nebraska of the SEC. We had a really good run in the 80's and 90's but now, Tennessee is not a top tier program. We're not even the best team in our state.

TBH, I don't know how good of a job Tennessee is anymore. Fortunately, there is a deep enough coaching pool for John Currie to really have to screw up in order to make a bad hire. However, if we have to compete against Florida for a particular candidate, we will lose that battle. Every. Time.

I'm not saying we can't ever be good again, but I feel too many TN fans have a false sense of just how good of a job TN actually is.
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We had plenty of good teams well past the nineties.
 
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Maybe I am easy. I just want to be UT Football to be relevant again. A coach that understands the traditions. Turns off the boom box, allows the band to play and runs a sound program. You know where student athletes go to class and have some class. Discipline and structure. The rest I believe will take care of itself.
 
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