Let's Just Face It

#51
#51
VolFan..But said:
Nope. Check your history.
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Winsipedia - Tennessee Volunteers football all-time record, wins, and statistics

9th in all time wins.

11th in all time winning percentage.

In 121 years of football history, and the hundreds of different teams UT has played, UT has a losing record against only 16.

Of those with a losing record played more than twice: Bama, Florida, Auburn, Texas, USC, Nebraska and Penn State (ugh, and Mizzou).

UT is undefeated against:

Ohio State
Michigan
Louisville
TCU
Oklahoma State

Teams that UT has played many times and still has a winning record against:

LSU
Clemson
Georgia
Georgia Tech
North Carolina
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Arkansas
South Carolina
Vanderbilt
Kentucky

It’s only been in the last ten years that UT has lost the series advantage against Florida.
 
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#52
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tlvols said:
lane kiffen said yesterday on 102.3 that 10 years ago the same thing was being said about Alabama but then came along Nick Saban.
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This right here is all that needs to be said. If we can show the money, a big time coach will more than likely come.......except Gruden because come on, he's got it made with the perfect gig.
 
#53
#53
Matt2496 said:
...that we are the Nebraska of the SEC. We had a really good run in the 80's and 90's but now, Tennessee is not a top tier program. We're not even the best team in our state.

TBH, I don't know how good of a job Tennessee is anymore. Fortunately, there is a deep enough coaching pool for John Currie to really have to screw up in order to make a bad hire. However, if we have to compete against Florida for a particular candidate, we will lose that battle. Every. Time.

I'm not saying we can't ever be good again, but I feel too many TN fans have a false sense of just how good of a job TN actually is.
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Uncle Lou, is that you again? Or is this Butch Jones?
 
#54
#54
yuenglinguy78 said:
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I second the motion!!
When are these morons that post this crap going to realize, it ain’t. Got nothing to do with the place, whether it’s UT, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Miami or anywhere else, it’s all about the coach, and it can turn in a hurry up or down.

Look at Alabama, Bryant, Stallings Elite, Shula. And others before Saban, Average at best, Saban elite.
 
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Matt2496 said:
...that we are the Nebraska of the SEC. We had a really good run in the 80's and 90's but now, Tennessee is not a top tier program. We're not even the best team in our state.

TBH, I don't know how good of a job Tennessee is anymore. Fortunately, there is a deep enough coaching pool for John Currie to really have to screw up in order to make a bad hire. However, if we have to compete against Florida for a particular candidate, we will lose that battle. Every. Time.

I'm not saying we can't ever be good again, but I feel too many TN fans have a false sense of just how good of a job TN actually is.
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Our stadium is bigger, our fanbase travels better, we have more money. This job is better and stop being Chicken Little.
 
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Don’t forget our BRAND at UT has been enhanced over the last few years. With someone like gruden taking the helm, the hype train will be rolling in Knoxville, stronger then ever.
 
#59
#59
I really don't understand those that take the "we are never going to be good again so just accept it" stance.

At the end of the day there is no reason we can't get back to being successful again.
 
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VolFan..But said:
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This program in what 121 seasons, has one legit National Title. Won 66% of it's games. In spite of what some may think, one of the worst recruiting states in the South. Take out Fulmer and Neyland (32 of the 121) and you are down to 5 SEC titles, zero SEC East Titles, zero National Titles and a 55% winning clip. Expectations are not based in reality. Oh but what it can be. OK, maybe. But the way those expectations are and the history of treating Legends, good luck on getting a coach that can do that for you.

Fact is, the Fulmer era level of success will never happen again for decades if not ever. The 90's run is the best in school history and one of the best in College Football History. His 2000's run is still better then the majority of the school's history.

Set your expectations. Enjoy the pre game, tailgates, Vol Navy and corn hole games and relax. You will have a much better time.
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So take out 26 percent of the best years of the program, and we still have more wins than losses and 5 SEC titles? And somehow that's supposed to be evidence of a mediocre program?

I'm sorry, but your logic is pretty awful. Take away 26 percent of pretty much any teams best years and you'll find the same, save small few like Bama, Notre Dame, and Michigan
 
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Giveem6 said:
What?? We have some of the best facilities, an incredible recruiting budget, primed right in the middle of football land for recruits, rich tradition, die hard fans, and a soon enough renovated state of the art Neyland Stadium. So I completely disagree with you. That's ridiculous
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This.....
 
#62
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volinbham said:
UT Football has a long, storied history as a top tier program. We did not just start playing in the 80s.

Others have posted the historical stats but saying we were just a good program in the 80s and 90s is just plain dumb.
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Grude comment!

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Matt2496 said:
...that we are the Nebraska of the SEC. We had a really good run in the 80's and 90's but now, Tennessee is not a top tier program. We're not even the best team in our state.

TBH, I don't know how good of a job Tennessee is anymore. Fortunately, there is a deep enough coaching pool for John Currie to really have to screw up in order to make a bad hire. However, if we have to compete against Florida for a particular candidate, we will lose that battle. Every. Time.

I'm not saying we can't ever be good again, but I feel too many TN fans have a false sense of just how good of a job TN actually is.
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You're just a big ole nega vol

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#65
#65
Iam4utalways said:
Our biggest problem is how we have defeated teams in the past in such traumatic fashion that they, the fans, become very bitter towards us. They are such cowards, Florida fans take it out on their own. It means a lot to compete with Vols. To actually beat us is a big deal even at 4-6 it would mean much for LSU to beat us.

Too bad for them they won't.

Go Vols!

Beat LSU.
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You said the same about Missouri.
 
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Type Orange+ said:
The defeatist mentality. It's a soft pillow comfort zone for losers.
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If we don't make a great hire this time, it's totally on us. The fans, the AD, the donors, the BOT, the Chancellor, the President, Gov. Haslam. It's all on us because we will have made the choice to be mediocre. No reason not to make a great hire.
 
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Florida has better in state recruiting than TN. But that’s it. Nothing more. It’s a well known fact that they don’t spend any money on their facilities either. Plus there is much more urgency at UF than TN. They have won the SEC east a few times lately. TN generates way more revenue, much better facilities, twice the fan base, and no where near the immediate expectations. So I think you are mistaken. Not to mention UF doesn’t have near the tradition or alumni to rival TN. The only SEC schools that can rival a “good” TN would be Bama or A&M. Not Florida.
 
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And just FYI...
Take a look at Bama’s record from ‘97 - ‘07. There was a decade of losing. Badly. A whole decade. But guess what happened in 2007. They hired Nick Saban.
 
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Typical kill the messenger mentality. I have been following SEC football for over 50 years, other than a few years in the 90's, when has UT ever been a consistent year in and year out power. We have great years, some good years, but let's be honest. We have never been an Alabama, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, or Ohio St. kind of program. We were good for a while very similar to Nebraska, Texas, Florida, ect. I compare college football today to NASCAR. There is so much parity that it is nearly impossible to be at the top every game and every year. Too many good players and too many good coaches. The cycle will soon end at Bama and Clemson and somebody else will emerge. Hopefully it will be UT.
 
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VolFan..But said:
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This program in what 121 seasons, has one legit National Title. Won 66% of it's games. In spite of what some may think, one of the worst recruiting states in the South. Take out Fulmer and Neyland (32 of the 121) and you are down to 5 SEC titles, zero SEC East Titles, zero National Titles and a 55% winning clip. Expectations are not based in reality. Oh but what it can be. OK, maybe. But the way those expectations are and the history of treating Legends, good luck on getting a coach that can do that for you.

Fact is, the Fulmer era level of success will never happen again for decades if not ever. The 90's run is the best in school history and one of the best in College Football History. His 2000's run is still better then the majority of the school's history.

Set your expectations. Enjoy the pre game, tailgates, Vol Navy and corn hole games and relax. You will have a much better time.
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This is such a silly argument. Alabama has similar numbers over it's history and take out Saban and Bear Bryant and the numbers are worse than Tennessee.
 
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