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ultimateUT said:
Well that being said we should have thrown a fair amount of money to Les Miles and give his coordinators good money too as to secure a quality staff for several years. That would have been a safer bet IMO. We will soon see if that gamble will pay out. I think Pruitt has a great chance of becoming a good head coach...I just hope it's not after we fire him that he does.
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Fulmer would never have hired Miles. Miles is an experienced coach who would have demanded control of his program.
 
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I don't mind pretending a bit that he isn't a bammer through and through. However, that sentiment won't last long if at the end of next season we're not at least 8-4 w/ a top ten recruiting class coming in.

I CAN appreciate the fact that he could be spouting fluff-they-want-to-hear and he isn't. That means he has integrity, even if we don't like him.

He's the steward of the program but he doesn't have to go overboard promoting traditions like he has Orange blood running through his veins but he does have to respect them.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
First this isn’t true.
Nobody likes Red more than me.
2nd he’s more interested in Red than he should be which is why we’re going to buy property and move
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Ah, my apologies for bringing up a sensitive subject.

I thought you were moving up to the mountains to become one of those hermit end of the world survivalists.
 
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MaTaLa said:
I don't mind pretending a bit that he isn't a bammer through and through. However, that sentiment won't last long if at the end of next season we're not at least 8-4 w/ a top ten recruiting class coming in.

I CAN appreciate the fact that he could be spouting fluff-they-want-to-hear and he isn't. That means he has integrity, even if we don't like him.

He's the steward of the program but he doesn't have to go overboard promoting traditions like he has Orange blood running through his veins but he does have to respect them.
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The tradition discussions are always interesting to me. Typically when your worried about those optics it's because the bigger one (winning) is not main topic.

For better or worse, when your talking about GPAs and graduation rates its normally because that isnt happening very much.
 
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BeecherVol said:
The tradition discussions are always interesting to me. Typically when your worried about those optics it's because the bigger one (winning) is not main topic.

For better or worse, when your talking about GPAs and graduation rates its normally because that isnt happening very much.
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Agreed.
Lol, just noticed your 'Ridge Runner' tag. I'm getting that on my bug out/down-by-the-river camper when I get around to dressing up the outside.
 

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Open a thread titled "Let's Be Honest" and find a bunch of made up complaints and faux outrage. VN is always interesting.
 
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Bucket18 said:
To me the attendence dropping is that the most loyal fan base in the world has had enough. I would expect next year to be even less. Tennessee is finally going
To have to pay big for a big name. I doubt this coach can change the losing culture in Knoxville.
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I would have to disagree with everything you said. Mainly because it’s all wrong
 
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VolAllen said:
I know a lot of you are internet tough guys and actual conversation is far less likely than getting flamed. I don't hold it against you, it's just the East Tennessean fighter blood that flows through your veins. And no, this isn't a "knee jerk" reaction after a loss thread. This is a legitimate question/concern/conversation/get the gears in your head turning thread.

Do any of you guys actually like our coach? I know winning cures all. But I mean do you actually like the dude? Dig deep. Actually think about the question. Are you proud to call Jeremy Pruitt the coach of our beloved Vols? Or did Fulmer and our university totally just whiff the hell out of this thing the way they always do?

It would be fair to wait until the end of the season to judge, and even then seems a bit premature. But I'm not necessarily talking about his win/loss record. I'm talking about him as a representative of our program. Forget the 5-6 start. I can look beyond that.

Most of you are going to throw hateful things in my direction and tell me to go back to my momma's basement, but some numbers tell me that others may feel the same.

2009, Lane Kiffin's first and only season. 7-6 record. We averaged 100,000 fans in the seats.

2010, Dools first season. 6-7 record. We averaged 100,000.

2013, Butch Jones first season. 5-7 record. We averaged 96,000.

2016, Butch Jones best season. 9-4 record. 101,000 average attendance.

2018, Jeremy Pruitt's first season. 5-6 record. 92,869 average attendance. 3 games didn't even hit 90k.

There should be a spike in enthusiasm for a coach's first season, so why such a large drop in attendance? Lane obviously got fans excited. I remember it vividly. He was the first coaching change I had experienced and it was a feeling of new blood and a new era. Dooley received far less enthusiasm from the fans, but it was expected given the sudden and strange departure of Kiffin. Butch came in and really had the fan support. He said all the right things, knocked recruiting out of the park, beat Steve Spurrier in his first season. Hell, he crushed it.

Pruitt. It irked the hell out of me the way he answered Bob's question in the 2nd episode of The JP Show regarding running through the T for the first time. I stated that it bothered me right after it happened in the JP Show thread and caught some heat for it. Guess what? It still bothers me. Even more so now that we're 5-6. "It was uhhh....different", was the line. Mind you, this episode was following a win. It wasn't after getting straight whipped by West Virginia. No. It was after beating lowly ETSU, Pruitt's first win as the Tennessee head coach. His attitude sucks, and it's not good for business.

Do I like Pruitt more than Schiano? You're damn right I do. Do I like him more than Mike Leach? Not even close. Les Miles? Nope. Dan Mullen? Hard to say. Butch Jones? I don't think so. Dooley? I'm not sure.

Win, and of course, I'll shut up. But Coach Pruitt, you're making $4,000,000 a year to coach football. Ideally, you're supposed to win the games. If you don't, however, at least give us the impression that you're a good dude and that you're happy to be in Knoxville. Because at the end of the day, you're still going to be rich, and we're still going to be sitting on cold, hard, metal bleachers hoping that things change.

I'll go on record right now and say I have doubts that this experiment is going to work out. I think Mike Leach, Les Miles, or Dan Mullen would have been a better choice. And I'm not saying fire the guy. That's not going to accomplish anything. But win or lose, I don't really like this dude, and I'm feeling super disconnected from Tennessee football because of it.

Flame away.
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I think it's just years of frustration coming to a head with the fans. Now coaching I think with Fulmer's guidance this is a great advantage for a new head football coach and I think Coach Pruitt and staff know SEC and footbaw and they will all work like heck to get us the best players we as fans are going to have to be a little patient. It's hard to keep being patient after all the other coaches have failed us. To me after the Auburn win and to see Pruitt sing RockyTop he is bought in he just isn't into the other stuff he wants to coach and recruit but like I said I think Fulmer will help him evolve into a head coach.
 
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I like Pruitt because so far he hasn't attempted to blow smoke up anyone's ass. No talks on Rommel or bamboo. No moral victories or champions of life. Thus far he seems to be a straight shooter so, as a person, I already see an upgrade. Where he is as a coach we will see. He deserves time to get his guys and build this team so we can see if he might just be the coach we've been waiting for. I firmly believe no coach in the country could have come in this year and brought an immediate turnaround.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
First this isn’t true.
Nobody likes Red more than me.
2nd he’s more interested in Red than he should be which is why we’re going to buy property and move
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I like Red more than you because she's a sweetheart and you're an annoying hemorrhoid.
 
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onevol74 said:
And UT isn’t a bottom feeder basketball school?
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Kansas is averaging about 2 wins a year since 2010. Theres bad. Then you have Kansas.

Where was Les in the multitude of other openings across the country since hes been fired?
Was Kansas the only viable option.
 
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He's a football coach, who cares if I like the dude? That being said, while I could understand people liking Dooley, I have no idea how anyone could like Butch at all, and more than Pruitt at that. Butch was the kid in school that would lie about having a black belt, girlfriends and having a fast car. And then when someone would call him out on it, he'd either double down or stomp off in a huff. Who ever liked that kid?
 
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ptclaus98 said:
He's a football coach, who cares if I like the dude? That being said, while I could understand people liking Dooley, I have no idea how anyone could like Butch at all, and more than Pruitt at that. Butch was the kid in school that would lie about having a black belt, girlfriends and having a fast car. And then when someone would call him out on it, he'd either double down or stomp off in a huff. Who ever liked that kid?
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Aw a one upper.
 
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