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Grand Vol said:
I'm sorry, can you point to where I said anything along those lines in the post you quoted? Furthermore, which part of "he gets his three years" was unclear?

Unwad your panties, Sparky, he gets the same chance Dooley, Butch and Kiffin had with me.
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“Would they want a coach, even with deep roots in Bama, that's been mediocre at best in a fairly down SEC East?”
 
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VOLnMiami said:
I think and know Fulmer went out looking for a clone of himself...Sad to say that type of coach doesn't do too well in todays game...I won't lie, I hate the offense...Too old and boring and low scoring and will never be anything more than that...No imagination at all...I think it was a knee jerk hire...Fulmer went out and got himself a good ole southern guy and pretty much wants him to play HIS style of playing and that is what we are getting with Pruitt...I guess time will tell as I am not going to make judgements on him after one season as he hasn't gotten anything to work with but from what I've seen so far I am not a big fan...I guess time will tell.
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Pretty sure you’re wrong on about all your assumptions.....,.,but time will tell
 
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KeyVol14 said:
“Would they want a coach, even with deep roots in Bama, that's been mediocre at best in a fairly down SEC East?”
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Context and reading comprehension is key. Look at the post I was quoting. Look at what I said before...

Grand Vol said:
As a reminder to the OP, he may bleed "crimson" all day long, but I'd dare say he's smart enough to realize this is his job "interview" for the position whenever Saban hangs it up. We all know Saban will leave eventually and Bama will pretty much get whomever they want. Would they want a coach, even with deep roots in Bama, that's been mediocre at best in a fairly down SEC East? Or someone who's been challenging for the Championship game more often than not?
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Meaning, Pruitt is smart enough to know that if he doesn't field a decent team in the next three years, he'll likely never get a shot at coaching Bama when (not if) Saban hangs up his spurs. Hence, Bama won't accept a coach, regardless of his Bama ties, that hasn't proven himself on the field at another school. They can afford to be extremely picky and Pruitt knows (or should know) this is his job "interview" for a future at Bama if he so decides to toss his hat in the ring for such a thing.

Read. Comprehend. Panties. Unwad. Please.
 
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To me the attendence dropping is that the most loyal fan base in the world has had enough. I would expect next year to be even less. Tennessee is finally going
To have to pay big for a big name. I doubt this coach can change the losing culture in Knoxville.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Context and reading comprehension is key. Look at the post I was quoting. Look at what I said before...



Meaning, Pruitt is smart enough to know that if he doesn't field a decent team in the next three years, he'll likely never get a shot at coaching Bama when (not if) Saban hangs up his spurs. Hence, Bama won't accept a coach, regardless of his Bama ties, that hasn't proven himself on the field at another school. They can afford to be extremely picky and Pruitt knows (or should know) this is his job "interview" for a future at Bama if he so decides to toss his hat in the ring for such a thing.

Read. Comprehend. Panties. Unwad. Please.
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Got a buddy who is a Bama booster. (Small scale but still) he says that Pruitt has burned his bridge back to Bama. I thought it was odd considering he stayed to Coach the playoffs for Bama.
 
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My jury is still out on CJP. I know he needs time to (hopefully) recruit the type of players he wants. He has been involved in national championship programs, so he knows the caliber of players it takes. Again, I think it is going to take 4-5 years for him to build the team he wants. If we see steady progress from year-to-year I think he will be given that amount of time.

Attendance is down because after 10+ years, the fans are tired of spending their hard-earned money on a mediocre product. Sorry, but I'm not going to spend $1,000+ (tickets, concessions, hotel, meals, etc.) to take my family of four to a game given the current product. When we start consistently beating top 25 teams and competing for SEC championships I do plan to become a season ticket holder. My hope is that I can begin to justify that expense by 2020. Of course, given the expected renovations and pricing levels I've seen (partook in the renovation survey), by then I'll probably need to take out a 2nd mortgage for that to happen.
 
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Bucket18 said:
To me the attendence dropping is that the most loyal fan base in the world has had enough. I would expect next year to be even less. Tennessee is finally going
To have to pay big for a big name. I doubt this coach can change the losing culture in Knoxville.
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Who would that be?
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Got a buddy who is a Bama booster. (Small scale but still) he says that Pruitt has burned his bridge back to Bama. I thought it was odd considering he stayed to Coach the playoffs for Bama.
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You're one of those "insider" folks like Beaver, aren't you?

:p

In fairness, I thought along "logical" lines after he was hired about a possible Bama flip in the future. Say he does well at UT, challenging for the SEC East spot at the CG and/or 9-10 win seasons and nice bowls. Does he jump ship to move back to Alabama if they offer because of his historical ties to that University? Or does he stay with the program he's built up into a contender?

The big question is "who wants to be the coach that follows Nick Saban?" Furthermore, "who wants the trouble of being the coach that follows Nick Saban?"
 
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Grand Vol said:
You're one of those "insider" folks like Beaver, aren't you?

:p

In fairness, I thought along "logical" lines after he was hired about a possible Bama flip in the future. Say he does well at UT, challenging for the SEC East spot at the CG and/or 9-10 win seasons and nice bowls. Does he jump ship to move back to Alabama if they offer because of his historical ties to that University? Or does he stay with the program he's built up into a contender?

The big question is "who wants to be the coach that follows Nick Saban?" Furthermore, "who wants the trouble of being the coach that follows Nick Saban?"
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Naw.
I just happen to know a couple of people. And honestly they’re more besiders as opposed to insiders.
If they want him then that would mean we were playing good football again.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Naw.
I just happen to know a couple of people. And honestly they’re more besiders as opposed to insiders.
If they want him then that would mean we were playing good football again.
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That's pretty much the point I was making before the mouthbreather jumped in without taking the time to read the whole thing and think "yeah, he makes a good point..."
 
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Grand Vol said:
Context and reading comprehension is key. Look at the post I was quoting. Look at what I said before...



Meaning, Pruitt is smart enough to know that if he doesn't field a decent team in the next three years, he'll likely never get a shot at coaching Bama when (not if) Saban hangs up his spurs. Hence, Bama won't accept a coach, regardless of his Bama ties, that hasn't proven himself on the field at another school. They can afford to be extremely picky and Pruitt knows (or should know) this is his job "interview" for a future at Bama if he so decides to toss his hat in the ring for such a thing.

Read. Comprehend. Panties. Unwad. Please.
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Your right. All this negativity floating really bothering me
 
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VolAllen said:
I know a lot of you are internet tough guys and actual conversation is far less likely than getting flamed. I don't hold it against you, it's just the East Tennessean fighter blood that flows through your veins. And no, this isn't a "knee jerk" reaction after a loss thread. This is a legitimate question/concern/conversation/get the gears in your head turning thread.

Do any of you guys actually like our coach? I know winning cures all. But I mean do you actually like the dude? Dig deep. Actually think about the question. Are you proud to call Jeremy Pruitt the coach of our beloved Vols? Or did Fulmer and our university totally just whiff the hell out of this thing the way they always do?

It would be fair to wait until the end of the season to judge, and even then seems a bit premature. But I'm not necessarily talking about his win/loss record. I'm talking about him as a representative of our program. Forget the 5-6 start. I can look beyond that.

Most of you are going to throw hateful things in my direction and tell me to go back to my momma's basement, but some numbers tell me that others may feel the same.

2009, Lane Kiffin's first and only season. 7-6 record. We averaged 100,000 fans in the seats.

2010, Dools first season. 6-7 record. We averaged 100,000.

2013, Butch Jones first season. 5-7 record. We averaged 96,000.

2016, Butch Jones best season. 9-4 record. 101,000 average attendance.

2018, Jeremy Pruitt's first season. 5-6 record. 92,869 average attendance. 3 games didn't even hit 90k.

There should be a spike in enthusiasm for a coach's first season, so why such a large drop in attendance? Lane obviously got fans excited. I remember it vividly. He was the first coaching change I had experienced and it was a feeling of new blood and a new era. Dooley received far less enthusiasm from the fans, but it was expected given the sudden and strange departure of Kiffin. Butch came in and really had the fan support. He said all the right things, knocked recruiting out of the park, beat Steve Spurrier in his first season. Hell, he crushed it.

Pruitt. It irked the hell out of me the way he answered Bob's question in the 2nd episode of The JP Show regarding running through the T for the first time. I stated that it bothered me right after it happened in the JP Show thread and caught some heat for it. Guess what? It still bothers me. Even more so now that we're 5-6. "It was uhhh....different", was the line. Mind you, this episode was following a win. It wasn't after getting straight whipped by West Virginia. No. It was after beating lowly ETSU, Pruitt's first win as the Tennessee head coach. His attitude sucks, and it's not good for business.

Do I like Pruitt more than Schiano? You're damn right I do. Do I like him more than Mike Leach? Not even close. Les Miles? Nope. Dan Mullen? Hard to say. Butch Jones? I don't think so. Dooley? I'm not sure.

Win, and of course, I'll shut up. But Coach Pruitt, you're making $4,000,000 a year to coach football. Ideally, you're supposed to win the games. If you don't, however, at least give us the impression that you're a good dude and that you're happy to be in Knoxville. Because at the end of the day, you're still going to be rich, and we're still going to be sitting on cold, hard, metal bleachers hoping that things change.

I'll go on record right now and say I have doubts that this experiment is going to work out. I think Mike Leach, Les Miles, or Dan Mullen would have been a better choice. And I'm not saying fire the guy. That's not going to accomplish anything. But win or lose, I don't really like this dude, and I'm feeling super disconnected from Tennessee football because of it.

Flame away.
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2017 average attendance was 95,789. So coming off the worst season in UT history, what did you expect this year?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
2017 average attendance was 95,789. So coming off the worst season in UT history, what did you expect this year?
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Well, typically after a regime change there’s a spike in enthusiasm. Doesn’t seem to be the case now. Which is unfortunate for Pruitt because he’s not getting the same experience that Butch/Kiffin did. But I can’t tell if it’s his own fault because he’s not the showman they were, or if the fans are literally just worn out and in wait and see mode.
 
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majic73 said:
I agree that the two teams were over ranked . But the point is we have not won any SEC game in a long time . I think the getting boat raced by Mizzou is because they have a great quarterback and the other teams that boat raced us also had great QB's . We have no pass rush to speak of and no depth to sustain what we do have . So that is the thick and thin of the how . 2 SEC wins is better than no SEC wins . Also , every team has some teeth cutters on ranked teams that are not ranked at the end of the season . There are a lot of factors that go into that . Namely , who you beat and when. UK won some big games early to mid season. Auburn did too. I think the only team still ranked on Bama's schedule is LSU ...it certainly does not mean that they are not good . The middle of the SEC has beat itself up and UT has been right in the middle of that . UK beat some teams we could not beat , but we beat UK . This seems to be the story for the SEC outside of Bama. Again , I will take the progress of two wins over zero wins.

Our success against Vandy will depend on how our pass rush can affect their QB and how their QB performs against coverage ...just as our other wins and losses have been dictated.

When the 34 defense has 34 personnel and a measure of depth , the team will win a lot more. These things can't be coached up. You can' tape your x button faster to get better results here . Virtually every 'turn around' outside of a few anomalies depend on A ) the previous years result B ) the schedule C ) the first recruiting class. Last year 4 wins. Recruiting was torched due to the coaching search. The schedule is among or is the toughest in the nation. Yet you have seen an incremental improvement. If the turn around follows the typical script , you will see a larger uptick next season .
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Have to hold Candys offense to field goals or less in the red zone as well as turn them over on their side of the field to set up short fields for our challenged offense.
 
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VolAllen said:
I know a lot of you are internet tough guys and actual conversation is far less likely than getting flamed. I don't hold it against you, it's just the East Tennessean fighter blood that flows through your veins. And no, this isn't a "knee jerk" reaction after a loss thread. This is a legitimate question/concern/conversation/get the gears in your head turning thread.

Do any of you guys actually like our coach? I know winning cures all. But I mean do you actually like the dude? Dig deep. Actually think about the question. Are you proud to call Jeremy Pruitt the coach of our beloved Vols? Or did Fulmer and our university totally just whiff the hell out of this thing the way they always do?

It would be fair to wait until the end of the season to judge, and even then seems a bit premature. But I'm not necessarily talking about his win/loss record. I'm talking about him as a representative of our program. Forget the 5-6 start. I can look beyond that.

Most of you are going to throw hateful things in my direction and tell me to go back to my momma's basement, but some numbers tell me that others may feel the same.

2009, Lane Kiffin's first and only season. 7-6 record. We averaged 100,000 fans in the seats.

2010, Dools first season. 6-7 record. We averaged 100,000.

2013, Butch Jones first season. 5-7 record. We averaged 96,000.

2016, Butch Jones best season. 9-4 record. 101,000 average attendance.

2018, Jeremy Pruitt's first season. 5-6 record. 92,869 average attendance. 3 games didn't even hit 90k.

There should be a spike in enthusiasm for a coach's first season, so why such a large drop in attendance? Lane obviously got fans excited. I remember it vividly. He was the first coaching change I had experienced and it was a feeling of new blood and a new era. Dooley received far less enthusiasm from the fans, but it was expected given the sudden and strange departure of Kiffin. Butch came in and really had the fan support. He said all the right things, knocked recruiting out of the park, beat Steve Spurrier in his first season. Hell, he crushed it.

Pruitt. It irked the hell out of me the way he answered Bob's question in the 2nd episode of The JP Show regarding running through the T for the first time. I stated that it bothered me right after it happened in the JP Show thread and caught some heat for it. Guess what? It still bothers me. Even more so now that we're 5-6. "It was uhhh....different", was the line. Mind you, this episode was following a win. It wasn't after getting straight whipped by West Virginia. No. It was after beating lowly ETSU, Pruitt's first win as the Tennessee head coach. His attitude sucks, and it's not good for business.

Do I like Pruitt more than Schiano? You're damn right I do. Do I like him more than Mike Leach? Not even close. Les Miles? Nope. Dan Mullen? Hard to say. Butch Jones? I don't think so. Dooley? I'm not sure.

Win, and of course, I'll shut up. But Coach Pruitt, you're making $4,000,000 a year to coach football. Ideally, you're supposed to win the games. If you don't, however, at least give us the impression that you're a good dude and that you're happy to be in Knoxville. Because at the end of the day, you're still going to be rich, and we're still going to be sitting on cold, hard, metal bleachers hoping that things change.

I'll go on record right now and say I have doubts that this experiment is going to work out. I think Mike Leach, Les Miles, or Dan Mullen would have been a better choice. And I'm not saying fire the guy. That's not going to accomplish anything. But win or lose, I don't really like this dude, and I'm feeling super disconnected from Tennessee football because of it.

Flame away.
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Your not taking in a lot of things like where this group was at when he inherited it and how dooley and jones left the teams worse not better. Jones didn't recruit for his needs as much as getting a high profile player, dooley didn't recruit at all. Pruitt is exactly the right man and that is all I care to add to your ridiculous breakdown of things. GO Pruitt and staff and GBO! We have a football coach, get on the bandwagon or get the heck off. GBO!
 
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VolAllen said:
Well, typically after a regime change there’s a spike in enthusiasm. Doesn’t seem to be the case now. Which is unfortunate for Pruitt because he’s not getting the same experience that Butch/Kiffin did. But I can’t tell if it’s his own fault because he’s not the showman they were, or if the fans are literally just worn out and in wait and see mode.
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I think packed stadiums for all home games are a thing of the past when the only way to see UT play ETSU or UTEP back in the day was to go to Neyland Stadium and watch from the bleachers. Even Bammer doesn't have packed stadiums for at least 2 or 3 cupcake games a year. The quandary is that UT (as is the case with 99% of other power 5 schools) can't schedule 4 quality OOC opponents each year. Scholarship limits and less practice time makes that unmanageable. When the Vols are consistently competitive and winning against upper echelon programs the sellouts at games against the big teams will return and Rocky Top will be rolling again. Even so, I would expect 2 or 3 games of 90k attendance each year.
 
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VolAllen said:
Well, typically after a regime change there’s a spike in enthusiasm. Doesn’t seem to be the case now. Which is unfortunate for Pruitt because he’s not getting the same experience that Butch/Kiffin did. But I can’t tell if it’s his own fault because he’s not the showman they were, or if the fans are literally just worn out and in wait and see mode.
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Legit enthusiasm will return when you put a legit product on the field.

For lack of a better term, the trumpet blower created "faux" enthusiasm. It was built around the sale and not a sustainable product. The main reason why his recruiting tanked after his best years.

Pruitt appears to be much more focused on players and football than the last guy. If he can recruit and develop the enthusiasm will be there in a better form that will last.
 
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