Let’s be Honest

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Odiodin said:
He is a good QB most of the time. He just fails in spectacular ways that I have never seen before, and he hasn’t grown in 4 years.
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Not sure what to think about your post. I've never heard it put quite that way on this board. I've generally defended JG, but your comment may well be the way to see him
 
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#53
Here is a simple fact for you I can catch a grounder in baseball if you hit it to me. That does not mean I should be the starting short stop of the friggin Yankees. That's who JG is, just because he knows plays doesn't mean he should be the starting QB at Tennessee. He has proven that he has more limitations than any other QB in Tennessee history.
 
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Sarms58 said:
Too bad Kirby didn’t play that D he used against LSU in the SECCG - there were a couple of plays where Burrows had 6+ seconds...
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He did
Burrows is in a totally different atmosphere than JG but I’m sure you know that some QB can sense & see what’s coming most QBs are faster than all D linemen if they have that instinct and use it they can buy time and like Dobbs make mediocre lines look good.
 
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sechamp2012 said:
He did
Burrows is in a totally different atmosphere than JG but I’m sure you know that some QB can sense & see what’s coming most QBs are faster than all D linemen if they have that instinct and use it they can buy time and like Dobbs make mediocre lines look good.
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you missed the early D Kirby ran In the first half...he rushed 3 and dropped 8 in coverage. Burrows had all day to throw. On one of his TD passes the announcers went back and timed it and he had 8 secounds to throw And that was without really scrambling. That’s the D to which I was referring.

PS: Totally agree on Burrows - he’s a rare gem. His ability to see things quickly and make plays under pressure. No amount of coaching will get JG into Burrows‘s atmosphere.
 
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Until I see players that where buried in the depth chart like Alvin Kamara go on and have success elsewhere I will not doubt the coaches yet. Not to sound like a broken record as I have made this point countless times here but we really need to look at how far we have come. Yes, I am angry we are not the powerhouse that should be Tennessee but we were garbage when Pruitt took over the team. As long as I keep seeing improvement each year I am happy. Will Pruitt get us back to the promised land? TBD. But he will likely be the first coach in a long time to leave us better than he found us.
 
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VolforFootball said:
JG has been a “liability” for us, according to to many. But the truth is, he’d be solid for almost any other team in the Sec. Under Kiffin, he’d probably be a top-3 SEC Qb. Just look at what Kiffin has done with the young Corral.

The problem has never been JG. The problem has been a lack of quality QB coaching, such as what Ole Miss and Florida currently have.
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I can't agree fully with that.

I agree that if he played for Georgia right now, people would be singing his praises, like they are for Stetson Bennett IV. Georgia is elite almost across the board, so all they really need is a game managing QB, while they mostly rely on an elite running game. JG could play that role. Indeed, we've seen him be successful with that type of role here (e.g. that Miss State game last year).

But what Matt Corral is doing at Ole Miss is completely different. Corral is the best player on that team. He can air it out, but he's also a running threat. JG could not do what Matt Corral is doing.
 
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OP’s reasoning is misguided IMO. For coaching to work, the player must have the necessary abilities to play the position well. JG has now had several QB coaches...yet he hasn’t shown any substantial improvement...the same problems that plagued him at the beginning are still prevalent.

As pointed out above, I don’t think he has the ability to make decisions in real time. It is why he holds the ball too long and takes unnecessary hits and sacks. I doubt that David Cutcliffe could get him to a high level.

Now, the OC can help him out with quicker throws like slants, hitches and screens, but that invites the defense to press the LOS and bring more pressure (which Georgia did).

He really struggles with longer developing plays that require reads.
 
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jamesthesame said:
Crompton had good fundamentals and smarts but was in a poor system.
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I disagree with this point about fundamentals. I used to call him 1 hop Crompton as his balls would take 1 hop (bounce off the ground) to the recievers 20 yards down the field all the time. He fixed that under Kiffen.
 
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Good point EZE. What really stinks about this season is the tough schedule. It would be really nice to put in Bailey against a nice little cupcake like Chattanooga. Instead, if we decide to bring in our true freshman, it will be against a SEC team. While I am usually a fan of baptism by fire I think until our offensive line shows they can protect the QB I don't want to destroy the kid.
 
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VolforFootball said:
JG has been a “liability” for us, according to to many. But the truth is, he’d be solid for almost any other team in the Sec. Under Kiffin, he’d probably be a top-3 SEC Qb. Just look at what Kiffin has done with the young Corral.

The problem has never been JG. The problem has been a lack of quality QB coaching, such as what Ole Miss and Florida currently have.
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Looks and sounds like you're on an island with the 2 people who agree with this hot take.
 
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terrypedigo said:
The QB didn't lose the game, the Georgia defense show up in the second half and played a great game, they are the best Defense in the country.
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The turnovers created the blowout and completely deflated the team including tiring out the defense because we could not hold in the ball or sustain drives. 90% on JG including the fact Georgia sold out on stacking the line because of inferior Qb play.
 
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VolforFootball said:
JG has been a “liability” for us, according to to many. But the truth is, he’d be solid for almost any other team in the Sec. Under Kiffin, he’d probably be a top-3 SEC Qb. Just look at what Kiffin has done with the young Corral.

The problem has never been JG. The problem has been a lack of quality QB coaching, such as what Ole Miss and Florida currently have.
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Be careful...people will try and eat your lunch saying its the coaching, not the player. I believe the OC needs to go. Boring offense. However we shall see next year when JG is gone.
 
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jkburke12 said:
Be careful...people will try and eat your lunch saying its the coaching, not the player. I believe the OC needs to go. Boring offense. However we shall see next year when JG is gone.
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He’s always been vanilla on offense and relied on talented players, mainly QB’s, for success.
 
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VolforFootball said:
JG has been a “liability” for us, according to to many. But the truth is, he’d be solid for almost any other team in the Sec. Under Kiffin, he’d probably be a top-3 SEC Qb. Just look at what Kiffin has done with the young Corral.

The problem has never been JG. The problem has been a lack of quality QB coaching, such as what Ole Miss and Florida currently have.
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I like the theory, if anyone can fix JG's mental model, he (she) 's one hell of a coach.
 
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Pruitt should have closed the deal on Martinez, but I don't blame him there given Schiano-gate. Then the next year he picked Maurer over Sam Howell. Big Mistake.
 
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What’s so very disheartening is the fact that JG gives the Vols the best chance to win
 
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BeardedVol said:
A more competent staff would have cut bait with JG two years ago as soon as soon as another QB with a higher ceiling was on campus, and started focusing their primary efforts on getting that QB ready for SEC play.

As it stands now, all of that effort was poured into JG to no avail, and we apparently don't even have a functional backup as a result.
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(emphasis in BOLD is mine)
I don't believe I'm qualified to evaluate the competence of the coaching staff from my couch, watching the games every season and frankly...I doubt most of the posters here are either. That said though...BeardedVol has hit on the most critical point I've found in the whole "JG vs Coaching" conversation (see bold above). How many YEARS has JG held the helm at UT..?? How many times have we seen the kid flailing out there...trying to make things happen and getting his butt kicked all over the field...?? In all those games it doesn't appear that we have ever had ANYONE to put in and give him a break. I'm afraid JP leaves him out there getting BOMBED simply because he doesn't believe he has any other option and putting one of the other QB's he has recruited would just make it worse. If we're going to be critical of the coaching...I think that has to start with the recruiting/development that goes on OFF the field.
 
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