Les Miles

I think most fans were ecstatic to hear Leach was possible. But our admin shot that down. Even fired Currie in the midst of hiring him. So, that ship may have sailed. Idk. But we could do a lot worse than Les Miles and his .750 winning percentage. Actually .721 but who’s counting. For example, Schiano, Doeren etc etc
 
His offense was a chore for his fans to watch. Never could coach a QB, and lost to Bama every year. Fans got sick of him and his boring style, despite winning. Also, 64 yrs old, and had a cushy tv gig for a few years, dunno how much he is going to give. He is not an exciting hire. Worse options, but if we turned down Leach to get him I am not excited.

Leach isn't a better option, just a different one. I would like to see him too but would be happy with Les. mid-sixties isn't old for a coach; that is where a lot of them are.

Even if he is within 10 years of retirement lets play this out assuming he mirrors his time at LSU.

2018 - 2019: repair the program
2020: Reasonable timeframe to be competing for the East title
2021 - 2025: Competitive team in the top 10 (We are very happy fans with a few frustrating losses)
2026 and on: Solid program that is grooming the next HC and preparing for his retirement. Great recruiting pipeline, overall a happy fan base and a people WANTING to coach here.

I'd be good with that.
 
Les miles! We would be lucky to get him! Look at the guys record while at LSU!! I cannot believe some of these dumbasses on here would not want him. We have been through sub par coaches who have not coached in the SEC and look what’s happened to our program! Pray we get someone like Les Miles. Fulmer will hire a good coach with SEC expierience to get this program back to dominance! Hang on!
 
His offense was a chore for his fans to watch. Never could coach a QB, and lost to Bama every year. Fans got sick of him and his boring style, despite winning. Also, 64 yrs old, and had a cushy tv gig for a few years, dunno how much he is going to give. He is not an exciting hire. Worse options, but if we turned down Leach to get him I am not excited.

Minus the cushy tv gig...this almost mirrors Rick Barnes and how Texas fans viewed him. Except Rick Barnes only had a final 4 on his resume, not a natty like CLM. Sometimes stability and a proven winner is what is needed at certain times.

Rick Barnes certainly isn't flashy, but he was a proven winner and a hell of a coach and what was needed after a dumpster fire of a program that was left after Martin and Tyndall left it. We need Miles to come in and fix it similiarly to the way Barnes fixed our BBall program.

Let Miles fix it and let Tee be groomed to take over imo.
 
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Minus the cushy tv gig...this almost mirrors Rick Barnes and how Texas fans viewed him. Except Rick Barnes only had a final 4 on his resume, not a natty like CLM. Sometimes stability and a proven winner is what is needed at certain times.

Rick Barnes certainly isn't flashy, but he was a proven winner and a hell of a coach and what was needed after a dumpster fire of a program that was left after Martin and Tyndall left it. We need Miles to come in and fix it similiarly to the way Barnes fixed our BBall program.

Let Miles fix it and let Tee be groomed to take over imo.

Bingo.
 
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Minus the cushy tv gig...this almost mirrors Rick Barnes and how Texas fans viewed him. Except Rick Barnes only had a final 4 on his resume, not a natty like CLM. Sometimes stability and a proven winner is what is needed at certain times.

Rick Barnes certainly isn't flashy, but he was a proven winner and a hell of a coach and what was needed after a dumpster fire of a program that was left after Martin and Tyndall left it. We need Miles to come in and fix it similiarly to the way Barnes fixed our BBall program.

Let Miles fix it and let Tee be groomed to take over imo.

Can Miles go out of his own way to improve UT or is his stubbornness going to take over again?

Especially when you refuse to step away from your one dimensional offense when obviously it’s not working anymore.
 
Like every discussion there is opinion and then there is fact.
Opinion:
Les is old, stubborn, took over after Saban did the real work, can’t develop QBs, was unwanted at his old job, couldn’t win the big games
Fact: winningest coach in LSU history, natl champ, coach if the year, SEC exp, many NFL draft picks played under him.
No coach is a sure thing. But we are at a crucial point and can’t afford to take too many risks right now. Les will be stable and get us in track.
 
Like every discussion there is opinion and then there is fact.
Opinion:
Les is old, stubborn, took over after Saban did the real work, can’t develop QBs, was unwanted at his old job, couldn’t win the big games
Fact: winningest coach in LSU history, natl champ, coach if the year, SEC exp, many NFL draft picks played under him.
No coach is a sure thing. But we are at a crucial point and can’t afford to take too many risks right now. Les will be stable and get us in track.

Indeed, sometimes, Les is more:)
 
Like every discussion there is opinion and then there is fact.
Opinion:
Les is old, stubborn, took over after Saban did the real work, can’t develop QBs, was unwanted at his old job, couldn’t win the big games
Fact: winningest coach in LSU history, natl champ, coach if the year, SEC exp, many NFL draft picks played under him.
No coach is a sure thing. But we are at a crucial point and can’t afford to take too many risks right now. Les will be stable and get us in track.

Everything you just listed is fact, not just what you want it to be.

Nobody is even considering hiring Les but us. Must be a coincidence.
 
Everything you just listed is fact, not just what you want it to be.

Nobody is even considering hiring Les but us. Must be a coincidence.

Everyone else ain’t the top story of every sports network for being idiots either. Offering to a terrible coach then backing out because fans are rioting. Then firing a brand new AD right as he was about hire Mike Leach. That’s the point. We need a sure thing. Or as close as we can get to a sure thing. And Les is as close to a sure thing as there is out there. Besides Kiffin. And TN is not gonna hire Kiffin again. Especially not when the AD is the guy Kiffin replaces right before the left town unexpectedly
 
Everyone else ain’t the top story of every sports network for being idiots either. Offering to a terrible coach then backing out because fans are rioting. Then firing a brand new AD right as he was about hire Mike Leach. That’s the point. We need a sure thing. Or as close as we can get to a sure thing. And Les is as close to a sure thing as there is out there. Besides Kiffin. And TN is not gonna hire Kiffin again. Especially not when the AD is the guy Kiffin replaces right before the left town unexpectedly

Careful. Don't overload on logic. This place can't handle it.
 
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Like every discussion there is opinion and then there is fact.
Opinion:
Les is old, stubborn, took over after Saban did the real work, can’t develop QBs, was unwanted at his old job, couldn’t win the big games
Fact: winningest coach in LSU history, natl champ, coach if the year, SEC exp, many NFL draft picks played under him.
No coach is a sure thing. But we are at a crucial point and can’t afford to take too many risks right now. Les will be stable and get us in track.

Everything you just listed is fact, not just what you want it to be.

Nobody is even considering hiring Les but us. Must be a coincidence.

No one wants Les Miles and no one wants to coach the Vols, is this a match made in Heaven or what?:eek:lol:
 
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Just a few points id like to make:
1.Les Miles did take over after saban but he went 9-3 his last year. So UGA success is bc of richt bc thats hes players not Smarts players? Right?
2.Les did have trouble "developing" a QB but i say its was more but luck on finding one in recruiting, yes you can put some of that on him.
3.Les did have the only team in school history to have 2 1,000 yrd receivers, a 1,000 yrd RB and a 3,000 yard QB on the same team.
4.Les having cam cameron as OC and not firing him was his biggest mistake for les.

Was Les my first choice? No but at this point were not having guys breaking the doors down to be UTs coach. Les would get this program going in the right direction, IMO Tee would have to be the OC and let him run his offence.
 
If we hire Les Miles we will finish 3rd at best in the SEC East every year. He will not be able to outgun Elite Florida and Georgia teams. The man will never beat those teams. If he is our next coach we might as well forfeit 3 games every year (Florida, Georgia, and Bama).

9-3
9-3
9-3
9-3
9-3

And then it’s Tee in 2023

Would take it after the last decade....
 
Is it completely forgotten that everyone was so excited when sumlin’s name was brought up in this search? Sumlin was abysmal against Saban, and couldn’t do good without a heisman quarterback! When Saban had Mettenburger and Flynn(good quarterbacks) he had good years! Without a good quarterback he still won 8-9 games! People have to consider all of these factors, and also the east is much simpler to win than the west! So I would love to see what Miles can do in the SEC east with a Tee Martin pro-style offense!
 
Les is a great hire for us. Rumors from tos he may be announced Wednesday with Tee possibility Friday.

Les will win here.
 
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nothing has changed in our situation perception wise, and i still find it doubtful that even with the AD change, any big name coaches that many of us wanted are in play...again, or at all.

i think if you start looking at the landscape, and boil it down to "knowns", "wants" "needs", it starts to look a little like this:

Lane Kiffin is not getting this job.
Gary Patterson just signed an extension
Peterson isn't leaving UW for this job, in it's current state
if John Gruden was, call it considering the job before, i can't believe that he views it as more attractive now. if he coaches again, he's going to the NFL.
Frost and Mullen are off the table.
Cutcliffe, Gundy, Doeren, Brhom all said no.
Leach had an offer taken off the table, and i would doubt it that Fulmer would pursue, and not sure Leach would take it now anyway
i just don't want Norvell. was not impressed with his game management Saturday....at all.

i think Fulmer is/has/will talk to some of these guys again just to make sure nothing that's happened with us might have changed their mind.

i also think Fulmer knows what many of us know, there is a formula that can work for us in our current situation, and Les Miles with Tee Martin checks most, if not all, the boxes.

and i know all the arguments against both. and i'll even agree with you. i've siap, a week and a half ago, i was a hard "no" to both of these guys.

but things have changed, and while i'll acknowledge and agree with any limitations most anyone would bring up....as quick as we are to say "they might fail" or "what if they suck?"

what if they're great? i mean really.......what if Tee Martin is THAT guy, and we get him early enough to prosper from it? isn't that worth taking a chance on? to me, it's at least worth the same chance as passing on him because he might fail.........

like i said, i get all the criticisms of both of these guys. but if you can get them both on the same staff.......that would be hard to ignore for me, at this point. i'm a firm yes, this week, to that scenario playing out.
 
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My point was LSU always has great talent... Any halfway decent coach is going to win 9 or 10 games a year there. I brought up him taking over for Saban because he took over the year after Saban's national title! That is a huge advantage.

It's frustrating to see so many non factual statements being posted. Miles took over after Saban lost to Iowa in the Outback Bowl. An Iowa receiver got behind the defense for a last second win. Then Saban runs off the field to the Miami Dolphins.

And these statements that LSU always has great talent and any coach can win. Miles was able to keep most Louisiana recruits home because he was a great recruiter. Now look at all the Louisiana recruits LSU is now losing to other head coaches.

And Miles stubbornness? UT needs a stubborn coach that refuses to lose on the recruiting trail and on the football field against other great teams. And all those recruits who played for Miles loved him and would fight like crazy to win every game.

And Miles runs a clean program.
 

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