Les Miles out after 2015?

[bamawriter]

I think the biggest problem they have with Les is he keeps losing to Saban/Alabama, you can not keep losing to your rivals consistently and keep your job. Same reason Tressel got fired at Ohio St, he kept losing to Michigan.

That is absolutely not why Tressel was fired at tOSU. He got a show cause from the NCAA. He was 9-1 against UM and finished on a 7 game win streak (the 7th was ultimately vacated).

 

[OrangeInKy]

all those LSU fans who supposedly wanted Dooley back in 2010 when and if Miles ever left can have their wish granted!

 

[Catbone]

I was using onevol74's timeline.

Pick whatever year you like, I'll take UF's present over UT's past.

You're absolutely right. We live in a world where no one cares about anything that happens 10+ years ago. Not one of these kids that UT is recruiting can look back and say, "Man I remember when Tennessee was good."

Florida has a lot more momentum and things working for them than Tennessee does.

 

[volnpowell]

That is absolutely not why Tressel was fired at tOSU. He got a show cause from the NCAA. He was 9-1 against UM and finished on a 7 game win streak (the 7th was ultimately vacated).

Sorry,I did not mean Tressel, I meant Cooper

 

[BowlBrother85]

4* QB Feleipe Franks de-committed from LSU tonight and is thought to have an eye on Florida. LSU needs to decide what they're going to do and make it public or these rumors and uncertainty will have an impact on recruiting (it's not known if the rumors about Miles future was a factor or not with Franks. He says he had been considering de-committing for about a month). These guys can't land a QB to save their butts.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

4* QB Feleipe Franks de-committed from LSU tonight and is thought to have an eye on Florida. LSU needs to decide what they're going to do and make it public or these rumors and uncertainty will have an impact on recruiting (it's not known if the rumors about Miles future was a factor or not with Franks. He says he had been considering de-committing for about a month). These guys can't land a QB to save their butts.

The Gator guys on here have been calling his decommitment and likely flip to UF for a month or more.

 

[ajvol01]

I think the biggest problem they have with Les is he keeps losing to Saban/Alabama, you can not keep losing to your rivals consistently and keep your job. Same reason Tressel got fired at Ohio St, he kept losing to Michigan.

Tressel vs NCAA 0-1

Tressel 9-1 vs Michigan.

Cooper 2-10-1 vs Michigan.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

Tressel vs NCAA 0-1

Tressel 9-1 vs Michigan.

Cooper 2-10-1 vs Michigan.

If you literally look 3 posts up you'll see that he acknowledged his mistake and meant Cooper.

 

[ajvol01]

If you literally look 3 posts up you'll see that he acknowledged his mistake and meant Cooper.

Thanks. You the official thread monitor or just doing volunteer work?

 

[DiderotsGhost]

I don't think Chavis has a big ego at all. Look at every good coordinator in the SEC- they all go for the big payday to be the head coach. Longevity at the coordinator spot is pretty important for a successful head coach and program and he has always provided that.

Also, I believe that I read that Chavis left because he wasn't paid a bonus that he was entitled to by the LSU AD. I want to say it was for graduation rates or GPA goals. It didn't have anything to do with getting a bigger or long term contract. The AD stiffed him.

You're exactly right. LSU-SIU is conveniently ignoring a big chunk of the story, as well as the fact that Chavis was in high demand, and the LSU AD pretty much spit in his face. Chavis' gripes with the LSU AD went far and wide, they cheated him out of a bonus, and there's no reason he was required to play by the "new rules" that the LSU AD created.

Lawsuit Paints Picture of Chavis' Final Days at LSU

It's actually not a "reasonable clause" at all and is not typical to terminate a coordinator with no buyout simply because a head coach is dismissed. The accusation that the LSU AD doctored the contracts is a pretty serious one, as well. If I were an assistant coach, I would not go to LSU under any circumstances until Alleva was fired.

It's very clear that LSU's AD is about as dysfunctional as it gets. Probably even worse than UT under Hamilton. Of course, that doesn't mean that LSU will automatically botch a new hire; after all even Hamilton did some things right (Bruce Pearl hire). LSU has the money to lure a top-tier coach. But most HCs realize that having a top quality staff is important and the shenanigans at the LSU Athletic Department may create some doubts among a few coaches.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Very similar to the Fulmer firing... except Fulmer had two losing seasons and Miles won 8 or more every year at LSU.

A coordinator left about a year before,(Cutcliffe, Chavis), a national championship, both about 100 games over .500, both the second most successful in their division (Bama, Florida), both took over for a coach with an NC (Saban, Majors), both struggled with Saban, both with winning percentages in the mid .700s, both with top recruiting classes committed in the next year. I hope that LSU doesn't need a decade to recover.

 

[99bubble]

Very similar to the Fulmer firing... except Fulmer had two losing seasons and Miles won 8 or more every year at LSU.

A coordinator left about a year before,(Cutcliffe, Chavis), a national championship, both about 100 games over .500, both the second most successful in their division (Bama, Florida), both took over for a coach with an NC (Saban, Majors), both struggled with Saban, both with winning percentages in the mid .700s, both with top recruiting classes committed in the next year. I hope that LSU doesn't need a decade to recover.

Why is that?

 

[LSU-SIU]

You're exactly right. LSU-SIU is conveniently ignoring a big chunk of the story, as well as the fact that Chavis was in high demand, and the LSU AD pretty much spit in his face. Chavis' gripes with the LSU AD went far and wide, they cheated him out of a bonus, and there's no reason he was required to play by the "new rules" that the LSU AD created.

I never said Chavis had to take any deal, so no I am not ignoring anything. That is matter of opinion, he is free to reject any deal, whether I or anyone else like it or not.

Lawsuit Paints Picture of Chavis' Final Days at LSU

It's actually not a "reasonable clause" at all and is not typical to terminate a coordinator with no buyout simply because a head coach is dismissed. The accusation that the LSU AD doctored the contracts is a pretty serious one, as well. If I were an assistant coach, I would not go to LSU under any circumstances until Alleva was fired.

It's very clear that LSU's AD is about as dysfunctional as it gets. Probably even worse than UT under Hamilton. Of course, that doesn't mean that LSU will automatically botch a new hire; after all even Hamilton did some things right (Bruce Pearl hire). LSU has the money to lure a top-tier coach. But most HCs realize that having a top quality staff is important and the shenanigans at the LSU Athletic Department may create some doubts among a few coaches.

Not saying the AD is not a problem. I see nothing wrong with LSU pursuing the matter in a legal forum, matter of fact, if the facts are true they have a legal obligation to pursue the return the funds.

"shenanigans at the LSU Athletic Department"

Well, actually anytime a school wants to get rid of a HC that been successful, there really is no easy way as a Vol fan you should be fully aware of this.

Chavis did not leave on good terms, whether with the players, the staff or the school. Coaches leave all the time, no big deal... if the facts are true in the complaint, then LSU should be able to obtain remedy. Since Chavis's lawyers couldn't even figure out a simple venue/jurisdiction question i.e. where to sue, I think I have a good idea where this goes.

" The accusation that the LSU AD doctored the contracts is a pretty serious one, as well. If I were an assistant coach, I would not go to LSU under any circumstances until Alleva was fired."

Like I said, not sure what the facts are.... I will say that Chavis's behavior leading up to the bowl game appear to be not in good faith. Either way, the legal system will work it out... maybe Chavis can answer who he was working for when.... not sure how he can answer that to be honest. I think LSU has a very close to a slam dunk case because I don't see how certain questions can be answered as far as his employment.

Coaches leave LSU all the time, of course, there are problems from time to time, but blowing up a contract dispute into some great terrible issue is kind of wasteful.

LSU treated him pretty good, he was not a hot commodity in 2008 at all.... he was unemployed. Whether he liked the deal LSU gave him is really irrelevant, he let the players down and if I were to guess he was recruiting for TAM while employed by LSU.

 

[LSU-SIU]

I think the biggest problem they have with Les is he keeps losing to Saban/Alabama, you can not keep losing to your rivals consistently and keep your job. Same reason Tressel got fired at Ohio St, he kept losing to Michigan.

Its not just Bama its the West, LSU basically still cleans up other than the SEC West, the problem obviously is you can't compete for a SECC or NC without winning the West.

I don't think most LSU fans think LSU needs to win either every year, but LSU should be in the mix most years, and not sure its getting done. With that said, not sure replacing Les is that easy of a task.

 

[DiderotsGhost]

LSU treated him pretty good, he was not a hot commodity in 2008 at all.... he was unemployed. Whether he liked the deal LSU gave him is really irrelevant, he let the players down and if I were to guess he was recruiting for TAM while employed by LSU.

You're so full of BS, it's ridiculous. The fact that Texas A&M threw a sky-high offer at Chavis to lure him away from LSU says a lot about the "demand for Chavis" which you imply is non-existent.

Your comment is just incredibly stupid to begin with. LSU is a top 10 program. The fact that Chavis accepted the job there in '08 doesn't mean he couldn't have gotten a job somewhere else. He was a top 5 DC nationally at UT and he was a top 5 DC nationally at LSU. There's always been plenty of demand for Chavis.

However, I suspect that Alleva's view on Chavis was very similar to your own. Alleva viewed Chavis as a "commodity" and was insulted that he might actually understand his own value. Too bad for Alleva (and morons like you), Chavis went where he was wanted. The result is that your all's defense has gone from the #13 in the nation in defensive efficiency last year to #32 this year. Pretty good chance LSU might be 9-2 or 10-1 right now with Chavis. (Also, fwiw, Chavis absolutely owned Texas A&M while at LSU).

Don't blame the Mad Hatter for your woes. The issues fall squarely on Alleva.

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

Very similar to the Fulmer firing... except Fulmer had two losing seasons and Miles won 8 or more every year at LSU.

A coordinator left about a year before,(Cutcliffe, Chavis), a national championship, both about 100 games over .500, both the second most successful in their division (Bama, Florida), both took over for a coach with an NC (Saban, Majors), both struggled with Saban, both with winning percentages in the mid .700s, both with top recruiting classes committed in the next year. I hope that LSU doesn't need a decade to recover.

It took them from 89 to 00 the last time they were in a down cycle.

 

[LSU-SIU]

You're so full of BS, it's ridiculous. The fact that Texas A&M threw a sky-high offer at Chavis to lure him away from LSU says a lot about the "demand for Chavis" which you imply is non-existent.

You throwing around insults doesn't help your cause. I never implied any such thing as you suggest, its like you are having a mystery conversation with yourself.

I never implied there was no demand for Chavis, matter of fact, there was, which is why LSU actually offered more.

Your comment is just incredibly stupid to begin with.

More insults does not help your cause.

LSU is a top 10 program. The fact that Chavis accepted the job there in '08 doesn't mean he couldn't have gotten a job somewhere else.

I never said he couldn't get another job, I said he was basically fired, no I don't believe he was hot demand at that time.

He was a top 5 DC nationally at UT and he was a top 5 DC nationally at LSU. There's always been plenty of demand for Chavis.

Never said there would be no demand, nobody was knocking down the door, I mean you do know the Vols let him go?

He was a good hire for LSU, not sure what you problem is.

However, I suspect that Alleva's view on Chavis was very similar to your own. Alleva viewed Chavis as a "commodity" and was insulted that he might actually understand his own value. Too bad for Alleva (and morons like you), Chavis went where he was wanted.

Who cares? LSU offered him good money, he rejected, I see no problem with that.... bye.

Calling me a moron for a DC being offered basically the highest assistant coaching salary or close to it (and rejecting it) somehow has anything to do with me being a moron is kind of funny. Maybe I am a moron, but he was offered good money.... he rejected the offers... which is okay in my book but he then proceed to burn the bridge which is the subject of the litigation.

The result is that your all's defense has gone from the #13 in the nation in defensive efficiency last year to #32 this year.

1. Its not my (your) defense.
2. So, if this had to do with Chavis, not sure what can be done... he was offered great money and rejected it, so mostly irrelevant.

Pretty good chance LSU might be 9-2 or 10-1 right now with Chavis. (Also, fwiw, Chavis absolutely owned Texas A&M while at LSU).

Not sure about that, but even if true, he rejected a great offer. I see no reason to pay him more, matter of fact, I wouldn't mind LSU making cuts across the board.

Don't blame the Mad Hatter for your woes. The issues fall squarely on Alleva.

Not sure I am blaming anyone, actually I have said 2-3 years ago that plans need to be put for a replacement for Les medium-term. 10-15 years is plenty of time.

I actually like Les, which is why all of your hyperbole is quite humorous and insane, I do want to kick him in the nuts probably once a game though. ESPN has created a story whether that was leaked by the AD or not, I don't know, but a decision has to be made within the next couple of weeks, if not by next Monday or this will probably turn out fairly bad. Ole well.

I'm not sure if you are just having a terrible day or what but most of your comments seem to be a conversation with someone else, calling me names really isn't going to help your day... but hate on if you must, I'm actually getting a kick out of it.

As far as Chavis, he was unemployed, LSU got him fairly cheap, LSU rewarded him over and over, LSU offered him a great contract, he rejected the offer.... Chavis is not being sued because he rejected an offer... coaches leave or get fired all the time. Chavis turned his back on the players and in the process, my speculation is that he violated portions of the contract and owes LSU funds.

For some reason you are emotionally attached, to be honest, I think Chavis did a good job at LSU but maybe his true colors came out at the end. I see nothing wrong with him rejecting the contract... bye.

Les is a good coach, to be honest, not going to be easy to replace as some think, but either way the game is well under way one way or another. If LSU has support to pay the bill, then they will have to make a move in the next couple of weeks if they want to have a successful 2016 or the AD is going to have to say he will be back.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

Thanks. You the official thread monitor or just doing volunteer work?

You the official go in and correct every post monitor or just like making yourself feel good?

 

[mtm1963]

stupid people at LSU.

you are dumb if you fire miles.

no coach can have every season be an outstanding season.

you are naive if you thank so!! the competition is too strong for that to happen.

 

[LSU-SIU]

stupid people at LSU.

you are dumb if you fire miles.

no coach can have every season be an outstanding season.

you are naive if you thank so!! the competition is too strong for that to happen.

At this point, I don't think its has anything to do with the fans. LSU either has the top salary coaching staff or close to it.... 5-7 in the SEC West the last 2 years is not going to cut it long-term. The regression throughout this year hasn't helped, LSU seems like they are younger and younger every year, but that's immaterial.

At some point, if you demand high salary, people will eventually hold you accountable. To me this is all on its own path now.

I think if the team would not have regressed throughout this year there wouldn't be this talk.

 

[BanditVol]

https://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1829480

And why this is relevant. A lot of the folks whining about this season are the same crew that ran Fulmer off. Expectations are ridiculous. Insane even.

Our program is in a better place. Finally. But those of you whining, I am sure were the first to call for Fulmer to leave also.

Just look in the mirror and ask yourselves? How well did that work?

 

[Biopsyman]

South Carolina would hire him in a second

 

[Backwards K]

Bandit, just for the record. With your opening post, you are now hunting in a baited field and there is a limit on just how many idiots you can legally catch. Be careful. They will come Ray, Oh they will come!

 

[gobraves101035]

I agree. He started off 7-0 this year but also did drop off. I can honestly see how you don't give him another year atleast.

 

[VOLS4LIFE2015]

I would imagine that alot of the open HC jobs would hire him if they could....