Legend Bey Requested Release

#126
#126
VolsFan-TX said:
"Other programs work with kids and get them into the portal, then sign them." - This is not allowed in the current system. No one on this board knows what goes on behind the scenes with recruits or potential portal entries. For all we know, TN people may be contacting players who have not yet entered the portal, but I doubt many, if any, head coaches do that directly.

"...should never have gotten this far." - How far? The kid, or his legal representatives since he is 17, signed the paperwork. Heupel accepted it thinking Bey legitimately changed his mind especially since Heupel or others in the program spoke with Bey on signing day. It was only reported yesterday that Bey officially requested a release. There may be some legal review with any NIL paperwork or perhaps a confidentiality agreement was drafted which need to be resolved before he can be released, but it will happen. Releasing him now vs 1-2 more days makes no difference. The signing period is closed until regular signing opens in Feb.
Click to expand...
Wondered if anyone would point out that would be blatant tampering. I'd prefer our coaches follow the rules. We've been hamstrung by the NCAA too many years as it is.
 
  • Like
Reactions: VolsFan-TX, swampfoxfan and OffTackleVol
#128
#128
SayUWantAreVOLution said:
If released, he's released FULLY. Financial issues might exist from the contract but he can play IF.... that's the IF..... he is released by UT.

The New Path to Commitment - College Sports without the National Letter of Intent (NLI) - Honest Game The New Path to Commitment - College Sports without the National Letter of Intent (NLI) - Honest Game
Click to expand...
Thanks for the article. I read the entire thing and no where does it indicate the definition of being "released", what exactly defines "released" nor does it have any indication that "being released" makes you "fully released". There is no substantitive information about what constitutes being "released". The article states that the commitment is not even related to athletics. The commitment is to the school. The terms are dictated individually by the school's contract that vary from one institution to another. The fact that Coach Doug Mathews repeatedly stated that being "released" makes you ineligible for a year makes me think things are not as simple as "just release him" as everyone seems to think. There may be a lot more serious underlying ramifications involved. Do schools want to just start out allowing everyone to back out of these new contracts? Do they want to set that precedent? Isn't that sort of like allowing an athlete to start getting away with missing meetings, being tardy to practice, ignoring team rules just because he's a star player? It would be very intersting to see behind this curtain!
 
  • Like
Reactions: Sudden Impact and KHVol
#129
#129
sigmundoooz said:
Thanks for the article. I read the entire thing and no where does it indicate the definition of being "released", what exactly defines "released" nor does it have any indication that "being released" makes you "fully released". There is no substantitive information about what constitutes being "released". The article states that the commitment is not even related to athletics. The commitment is to the school. The terms are dictated individually by the school's contract that vary from one institution to another. The fact that Coach Doug Mathews repeatedly stated that being "released" makes you ineligible for a year makes me think things are not as simple as "just release him" as everyone seems to think. There may be a lot more serious underlying ramifications involved. Do schools want to just start out allowing everyone to back out of these new contracts? Do they want to set that precedent? Isn't that sort of like allowing an athlete to start getting away with missing meetings, being tardy to practice, ignoring team rules just because he's a star player? It would be very intersting to see behind this curtain!
Click to expand...
Released by the school definitely means released without the year penalty. FINANCIALLY, there may be issues now.

Released in that article says "without the penalty" meaning the "sit out a year" penalty a player faces if they don't get released by their previous team. The penalty is for not meeting that obligation but the obligation no longer exists if the team releases you from it.
 
  • Like
Reactions: MajinBooCarter
#130
#130
NCFisher said:
I was primarily responding to the folks making Bey out to be to be a bad guy when it appears he was pushed to TN by family, as a minor.
I looked back at news accounts and I was mistaken; Bey signed and the next day made it known that he was being pushed to TN on social media. I thought he'd made his desire for OSU before his signing.

So, yes, I agree there was no reason for TN to back off signing him if unaware he didn't want to be here. It was apparent within a day of signing, that he'd never see the field at TN as he became 18 during this portal period. There's no good reason Heupel won't release him.
Click to expand...
Yet, the only first hand word we have from Bey (that I have seen) is when he called in to AP AFTER signing, saying he wanted to be at Tennessee. How do we know that his social media wasn't written by someone else especially after Bey indicated that someone else (his brother) commandeered his social media account? AP said that he knew Bey and had dealt with him before and verified that it was Bey that called him expressing enthusiasm for being at Tennessee. This is way better than when someone shot the wrong person because they were wearing another's trademark floppy hat on some soap opera I saw back in the 1970s.
 
#131
#131
SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Released by the school definitely means released without the year penalty. FINANCIALLY, there may be issues now.

Released in that article says "without the penalty" meaning the "sit out a year" penalty a player faces if they don't get released by their previous team. The penalty is for not meeting that obligation but the obligation no longer exists if the team releases you from it.
Click to expand...
The team is only involved as far as it has sway with the "school" according to the article. The contract is with the school. The article also specifically states that each contract is unique to that school. One would assume the school would go along with the desire of the Athletic Department/Team but having been in and around that campus for over a decade as a student faculty/staff member, I can guaranteed that there are lots of faculty/staff who do not like anything the Athletic Department does and might be less inclined to allow someone to back out of a contract with the school. Hopefully, that has changed but one never knows. We can't assume that eligibilty is not included in the contract and that the school is going to be willing to allow the contract to be cancelled, whether they should or not.
 
#132
#132
sigmundoooz said:
The team is only involved as far as it has sway with the "school" according to the article. The contract is with the school. The article also specifically states that each contract is unique to that school. One would assume the school would go along with the desire of the Athletic Department/Team but having been in and around that campus for over a decade as a student faculty/staff member, I can guaranteed that there are lots of faculty/staff who do not like anything the Athletic Department does and might be less inclined to allow someone to back out of a contract with the school. Hopefully, that has changed but one never knows. We can't assume that eligibilty is not included in the contract and that the school is going to be willing to allow the contract to be cancelled, whether they should or not.
Click to expand...
I don't know what to tell you because I'm not a lawyer nor am I connected to the school but it's supposed to be easier to get out of the commitment than an old NLI was.

 
#133
#133
VolsFan-TX said:
"Other programs work with kids and get them into the portal, then sign them." - This is not allowed in the current system. No one on this board knows what goes on behind the scenes with recruits or potential portal entries. For all we know, TN people may be contacting players who have not yet entered the portal, but I doubt many, if any, head coaches do that directly.

"...should never have gotten this far." - How far? The kid, or his legal representatives since he is 17, signed the paperwork. Heupel accepted it thinking Bey legitimately changed his mind especially since Heupel or others in the program spoke with Bey on signing day. It was only reported yesterday that Bey officially requested a release. There may be some legal review with any NIL paperwork or perhaps a confidentiality agreement was drafted which need to be resolved before he can be released, but it will happen. Releasing him now vs 1-2 more days makes no difference. The signing period is closed until regular signing opens in Feb.
Click to expand...

He was wearing Ohio State gear on his signing day. It was clear from that day that he didn't want to be here.
 
  • Like
Reactions: JGB, sambronkowitz, Memphis Buckeye and 2 others
#137
#137
VolInNW said:
This shows me something that is not a popular take here. Heupel seems to have gotten rather passive with respect to team management. He REACTS to items vice being PROACTIVE. He waits until things happen, then reacts to them. He fails to be proactive and create his own situations.

The portal is a great example. Other programs work with kids and get them into the portal, then sign them. Heupel seems to wait and see who goes into the portal on their own accord, then try and sign them.

It has been known that Bey wanted out of his deal from the beginning when Mom made him sign with Tennessee. Heupel should have been on this, and this should never have gotten this far. Instead, Heupel REACTS and we have a news story.

I could be wrong, and likely am, but that is how it appears to me.
Click to expand...
Need a GM.....
 
#139
#139
BenGrimm said:
Why? He doesn’t want to be here. You just want to make someone miserable?
Click to expand...
Because he and his family manipulated the system. Somebody has to be an example come signing day. And based on the article above tampering and manipulation are going to be now part of the process.

I don't the Vols want to ruin his dreams, but this will be common place in years to come or a practice of signing a class and have it poached away from you. Salary cap is needed as well as a GM.
 
#144
#144
I can't believe the amount of respect you are giving to the decisions of a 17/18 year old. AND the lack of respect you are giving to moms and dads of these kids.
There is a reason that insurance rates go down around 25/26.
There is a reason that science is saying that the brain is not fully developed until the mid twenties.
As a parent, who once was an 18 yr old. I know for a fact ... my folks WERE smarter! I did some REALLY dumb stuff between 18-27, so let's put it out there.
Many of you on here, talk about the stupid decisions you made when you were in college. (Did you hang out with any less than stellar folks?)

What I am lobbying for is us to recognize that we as parents, do make mistakes in judgment. But good parents are trying to protect our children and help them make the "right" decisions.
We want them safe. We want them where they can develop. We want them in the presence of good mentors. We want them surrounded by people with good ethics. (Michigan anyone?)
I bleed orange! But my daughter, who is a talented vocalist ... wanted to go to Belmont or Shenandoah Conservatory. We talked about it as a family ... and we told her ETSU was the better place for her at the age of 18.
Her dancing was not good enough to get into Belmont (FACT) and vocals were not yet at a level to get into SC (FACT).
She listened and agreed to ONE YEAR at ETSU, then she was going to reapply. To which we agreed was an excellent plan (work on dance and work on vocals during freshman year). We also required her to live on campus.

My point is ... as parents ... shouldn't we do what we KNOW is in our child's best interest. ESPECIALLY, when they cannot see it.

End of our story ... our daughter is performing at Sight and Sound in Branson. She is the principle (means she always performs the role unless she is incapable) in the role of David's wife, Michel.

Please let's give the parents and the kid a break. They both need some grace and breathing space. Frankly, I have no idea where the best place for Legend Bey is. Also, I am not sure that Legend Bey is wise enough at 17 to know that either. Hopefully, we can let those who are circumspect and want the best for the kid to figure it out. Even when less than stellar choices are made ... there is the portal.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Sudden Impact
#146
#146
SN-A-C Orange said:
I can't believe the amount of respect you are giving to the decisions of a 17/18 year old. AND the lack of respect you are giving to moms and dads of these kids.
There is a reason that insurance rates go down around 25/26.
There is a reason that science is saying that the brain is not fully developed until the mid twenties.
As a parent, who once was an 18 yr old. I know for a fact ... my folks WERE smarter! I did some REALLY dumb stuff between 18-27, so let's put it out there.
Many of you on here, talk about the stupid decisions you made when you were in college. (Did you hang out with any less than stellar folks?)

What I am lobbying for is us to recognize that we as parents, do make mistakes in judgment. But good parents are trying to protect our children and help them make the "right" decisions.
We want them safe. We want them where they can develop. We want them in the presence of good mentors. We want them surrounded by people with good ethics. (Michigan anyone?)
I bleed orange! But my daughter, who is a talented vocalist ... wanted to go to Belmont or Shenandoah Conservatory. We talked about it as a family ... and we told her ETSU was the better place for her at the age of 18.
Her dancing was not good enough to get into Belmont (FACT) and vocals were not yet at a level to get into SC (FACT).
She listened and agreed to ONE YEAR at ETSU, then she was going to reapply. To which we agreed was an excellent plan (work on dance and work on vocals during freshman year). We also required her to live on campus.

My point is ... as parents ... shouldn't we do what we KNOW is in our child's best interest. ESPECIALLY, when they cannot see it.

End of our story ... our daughter is performing at Sight and Sound in Branson. She is the principle (means she always performs the role unless she is incapable) in the role of David's wife, Michel.

Please let's give the parents and the kid a break. They both need some grace and breathing space. Frankly, I have no idea where the best place for Legend Bey is. Also, I am not sure that Legend Bey is wise enough at 17 to know that either. Hopefully, we can let those who are circumspect and want the best for the kid to figure it out. Even when less than stellar choices are made ... there is the portal.
Click to expand...
 
#147
#147
#148
#148
After. graduating high school at 17, my father signed for me to join the military. I turned 19 on Guam working 12 hour shifts of 13 days on and one off manhandling flight control and landing gear problems on B52s ensuring those were operational so crews over Hanoi did not have that worry while dodging phone poles. I routinely interfaced with fellow grunts, jarheads, and squids at airports traveling in uniform and huddled with them to protect ourselves from civilians who tried to catch one of us alone in the restrooms so they could conduct a beatdown on one of us baby killers. Spare me the kid angle on ANY college athlete playing the kid card.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Vol since 77 and Old-n-4getful-Vol
#149
#149
SN-A-C Orange said:
I can't believe the amount of respect you are giving to the decisions of a 17/18 year old. AND the lack of respect you are giving to moms and dads of these kids.
There is a reason that insurance rates go down around 25/26.
There is a reason that science is saying that the brain is not fully developed until the mid twenties.
As a parent, who once was an 18 yr old. I know for a fact ... my folks WERE smarter! I did some REALLY dumb stuff between 18-27, so let's put it out there.
Many of you on here, talk about the stupid decisions you made when you were in college. (Did you hang out with any less than stellar folks?)

What I am lobbying for is us to recognize that we as parents, do make mistakes in judgment. But good parents are trying to protect our children and help them make the "right" decisions.
We want them safe. We want them where they can develop. We want them in the presence of good mentors. We want them surrounded by people with good ethics. (Michigan anyone?)
I bleed orange! But my daughter, who is a talented vocalist ... wanted to go to Belmont or Shenandoah Conservatory. We talked about it as a family ... and we told her ETSU was the better place for her at the age of 18.
Her dancing was not good enough to get into Belmont (FACT) and vocals were not yet at a level to get into SC (FACT).
She listened and agreed to ONE YEAR at ETSU, then she was going to reapply. To which we agreed was an excellent plan (work on dance and work on vocals during freshman year). We also required her to live on campus.

My point is ... as parents ... shouldn't we do what we KNOW is in our child's best interest. ESPECIALLY, when they cannot see it.

End of our story ... our daughter is performing at Sight and Sound in Branson. She is the principle (means she always performs the role unless she is incapable) in the role of David's wife, Michel.

Please let's give the parents and the kid a break. They both need some grace and breathing space. Frankly, I have no idea where the best place for Legend Bey is. Also, I am not sure that Legend Bey is wise enough at 17 to know that either. Hopefully, we can let those who are circumspect and want the best for the kid to figure it out. Even when less than stellar choices are made ... there is the portal.
Click to expand...
Very impressed by your post. You get it. Class act. I'm a new fan of yours.

Here's the one, very significant element in all this that you missed...and it's the reason for the drama.

Money. Lots of it. Like 7 digits. Not to mention those who profit off of his decision.

Root of all evil. This was never about geography, uniform color, or coaching style. Just money.

Congrats on your daughter. In this case, it sounds like an acorn that didn't roll too far was a good thing.

Go Vols.
 
  • Like
Reactions: SN-A-C Orange
#150
#150
Sudden Impact said:
Because he and his family manipulated the system. Somebody has to be an example come signing day. And based on the article above tampering and manipulation are going to be now part of the process.

I don't the Vols want to ruin his dreams, but this will be common place in years to come or a practice of signing a class and have it poached away from you. Salary cap is needed as well as a GM.
Click to expand...
I haven’t followed every minute of it but it sounds like he wanted to go to tOSU. His mom wanted him at TN. Because he is a minor she wouldn’t let him sign (maybe even forged his signature). He turned 18 and asked for his release.

Honestly, if he doesn’t want to be here I wouldn’t try to trap him.

Hell, he may transfer back one day. No need to burn the bridge.
 
New Posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

Advertisement



Back
Top