LeBron's Legacy

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bamacheats said:
Who exactly is "they"? I was there and I don't remember "they" saying that.

Plus, Lebron is more physically gifted than MJ was. But to argue that Lebron a better team makes than Jordan is illogical, that's just someone who likes to argue.

Lebron couldn't recruit better players to play with him. That's on him, not Dan Gilbert.
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So he is supposed to be the Gm as well?

Truth is, who woud want to play in Cleveland when they can play in New York, Miami, Chicago...Memphis...lol...Cleveland isn't a place that guys flock to.
 
#27
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bamacheats said:
Wow!
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Do you not agree that the Eastern Conference has been weak in his 7 years?

I would guess that in all of his 7 years there have been a team with a losing record make the playoffs, what does that say for the other teams in the conference that didn't make the playoffs?
 
#28
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bamacheats said:
Lebron couldn't recruit better players to play with him. That's on him, not Dan Gilbert.
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Get real. It's not on LeBron. And it's really not on Gilbert either. It's on Cleveland.

They couldn't convince LeBron to stay, and he's from there. They don't have a prayer of convincing other superstars to come there.

Big time free agents don't sign with perenially awful franchises in cold weather, medium sized markets.
 
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GahLee said:
Do you not agree that the Eastern Conference has been weak in his 7 years?

I would guess that in all of his 7 years there have been a team with a losing record make the playoffs, what does that say for the other teams in the conference that didn't make the playoffs?
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If I remember correctly I think the East has won 3 of the last 7 championships so there has been competition, but obviously the East as a whole is far weaker than the West. But I think this off-season the pendulum has swung back east and will be even more apparent the following season.

If Lebron is so great that him leaving $30+ mil on the table to be DWade's b!tch will not tarnish his "legacy" than he would have been able to overcome the obstacle that is Cleveland. He was trying to recruit Bosh and Bosh recruited him. Bosh is more of a leader than Lebron is. No way Chris Bosh is too big of a free agent to play in Cleveland. Put MJ, Magic, etc. in Lebron's shoes, they convince Bosh to sign. Playing 41 games in Cleveland doesn't mean that you have to live there.
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Jaytrain5 said:
Get real. It's not on LeBron. And it's really not on Gilbert either. It's on Cleveland.

They couldn't convince LeBron to stay, and he's from there. They don't have a prayer of convincing other superstars to come there.

Big time free agents don't sign with perenially awful franchises in cold weather, medium sized markets.
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Poor Reggie White must have never gotten that memo.
 
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Ohio Vol said:
Poor Reggie White must have never gotten that memo.
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What the hell are you talking about? We're having an NBA discussion.

Give me a shout next time a superstar free agent elects to spend his prime in Cleveland, Memphis, Milwaukee, or Sacramento.
 
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I can promise, promise you it won't be Cleveland. Even if it would've been, their owner made sure it wouldn't.

I like evans and cousins in Sacramento. but that is another topic entirely
 
#34
#34
San Antonio is the same size market, if not a little smaller, than Cleveland. Their players aren't always looking to jump ship.

I still can't find a bunch of quotes of those guys saying it had anything to do with the "market". And let's be honest, the only "markets" that have legit capital are NY, LA, and Chicago.
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#35
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San Antonio is the one team in the association that has been able to draft their way into a dynasty. For everyone else, acquiring big names through trades or f.a. is the way to a championship. Most big name guys will only go to a) a city with a history of championships (Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles) or b) somewhere they like to live (Miami, Orlando, Dallas, LA).

Even with the salary cap in place, certain franchises still hold inherent edges over others. IMO good front offices can turn any team into a contender -- take Utah for instance. What young, rich black athlete in their right mind would want to live in Salt Lake? The fact that they've been in the top 3rd of teams in the Association for the better part of two decades shows they have arguably the best front office around. I personally see it as being much harder to build a contender in Utah or Milwaukee than it is to build a champion in Miami or Los Angeles.

Same goes for Cleveland. Unfortunately Dan Gilbert and the rest of their front office has shown little to no ability to perform their jobs up to par. Cleveland is screwed for a long, long time.

PS Re: Conference power, I agree the East is getting better, but for the foreseeable future, the west still provides a much tougher road. I suspect that in the next couple years, we'll see two, maybe three teams make playoffs in the east that wouldn't even have a prayer of sniffing the playoffs in the west.
 
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bamacheats said:
If I remember correctly I think the East has won 3 of the last 7 championships so there has been competition, but obviously the East as a whole is far weaker than the West. But I think this off-season the pendulum has swung back east and will be even more apparent the following season.

If Lebron is so great that him leaving $30+ mil on the table to be DWade's b!tch will not tarnish his "legacy" than he would have been able to overcome the obstacle that is Cleveland. He was trying to recruit Bosh and Bosh recruited him. Bosh is more of a leader than Lebron is. No way Chris Bosh is too big of a free agent to play in Cleveland. Put MJ, Magic, etc. in Lebron's shoes, they convince Bosh to sign. Playing 41 games in Cleveland doesn't mean that you have to live there.
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They all wanted to play together, I have heard that this was years in the making.

Saying that Bosh is more of a leader than James is lunacy, Bosh could never carry a team night in and night out like James has for 7 years.

Everyone has had to have help, why is it that LeBron should be the only one without help?
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
What the hell are you talking about? We're having an NBA discussion.

Give me a shout next time a superstar free agent elects to spend his prime in Cleveland, Memphis, Milwaukee, or Sacramento.
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Won't happen, hell, the Trevor Ariza's of the world won't even go to teams like that.
 
#38
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GahLee said:
They all wanted to play together, I have heard that this was years in the making.

Saying that Bosh is more of a leader than James is lunacy, Bosh could never carry a team night in and night out like James has for 7 years.

Everyone has had to have help, why is it that LeBron should be the only one without help?
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You're confusing leadership with talent. Bosh can't carry a team because he's one of the most overrated players in recent history. But he recruited Lebron. Lebron should have told Bosh to suck it. He is the B player, he doesn't call the shots.
Miami is a better place to live compared to Cleveland but not a better place to play. The arena is Buzzball at the TommyBole worthy. An absolute joke! I've been to Cleveland once but I left impressed with the energy in a loss.
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GahLee said:
Saying that Bosh is more of a leader than James is lunacy, Bosh could never carry a team night in and night out like James has for 7 years.
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Bosh is the main reason I'm skeptical of the Heat's chances at a title (possibly alongside the depth issues they will probably run into). I've never thought much of him as a high-level player, and quite frankly, Heat fans should be concerned about how he's going to handle being the 3rd banana.
 
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bamacheats said:
You're confusing leadership with talent. Bosh can't carry a team because he's one of the most overrated players in recent history. But he recruited Lebron. Lebron should have told Bosh to suck it. He is the B player, he doesn't call the shots.
Miami is a better place to live compared to Cleveland but not a better place to play. The arena is Buzzball at the TommyBole worthy. An absolute joke! I've been to Cleveland once but I left impressed with the energy in a loss.
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Miami has won a title, Cleveland will never win a title, Miami has been a contending team throughout their history, Cleveland, not so much.

Since when is leading by example not leading?

Cleveland has never landed a prize FA, why you continually expect for them to have landed one this year is surprising.

Either way, we should just agree to disagree.
 
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milohimself said:
Bosh is the main reason I'm skeptical of the Heat's chances at a title (possibly alongside the depth issues they will probably run into). I've never thought much of him as a high-level player, and quite frankly, Heat fans should be concerned about how he's going to handle being the 3rd banana.
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Haslam, Miller are on board...with the 3 rookies they have they are almost there, with the Big 3, they won't need much else.

I see some ego problems for sure, but overall, I think these guys just want to win titles.

They have to know that they will be sacrificing their games to an extent, none of them will be leading the league in scoring.
 
#42
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Sure, they'll get a couple of decent quality guys to fill out the roster, and Haslam will be good for their rebounding, but depth is always invariably required of a team to make it to the Finals. They're going to need to get more than a couple solid talents to agree to play for close to the minimum.
 
#43
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milohimself said:
Sure, they'll get a couple of decent quality guys to fill out the roster, and Haslam will be good for their rebounding, but depth is always invariably required of a team to make it to the Finals. They're going to need to get more than a couple solid talents to agree to play for close to the minimum.
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Those 2 are a good start though.

Of the 3 rookies, one of them will make an impact if not more.
 
#44
#44
Miami has a great owner that gave the keys to Riley. NY could have kept him forever but Dolan is a spoiled brat idiot cokehead.
Bosh has never played for Miami so not sure where that example comes from. Bosh can't lead by example because he's not an A player. Bosh and Lebron are both Wade's b!tches now.

Cleveland can't sign a major FA but Lebron can. He's got the ability to be mentioned among the best ever but flushed that by this move.
Besides, he would have found some elite player to join him. As bad as Cleveland is its better than every European place to play. Lebron should have pulled rank but he didn't because he's a pu$$y.
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#45
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bamacheats said:
Miami has a great owner that gave the keys to Riley. NY could have kept him forever but Dolan is a spoiled brat idiot cokehead.
Bosh has never played for Miami so not sure where that example comes from. Bosh can't lead by example because he's not an A player. Bosh and Lebron are both Wade's b!tches now.

Cleveland can't sign a major FA but Lebron can. He's got the ability to be mentioned among the best ever but flushed that by this move.
Besides, he would have found some elite player to join him. As bad as Cleveland is its better than every European place to play. Lebron should have pulled rank but he didn't because he's a pu$$y.
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Sour grapes.
 
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