Learning how to win.

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Orangeslice13

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Youth was an issue last year.
Youth is not an issue now. We still have young guys out there but unlike last year there are enough guys with experience around them that youth should no longer be listed as a reason for a loss. Everyone plays young players.
Having said that...coming out of that situation you have to learn to win. We had that chance last night. It all went south when the tight end dropped the pass at the end of the 1st drive in the 2nd half ( not using his name because it's the play that's important not his personal error). It's as if the whole team expected to lose from that moment on. It's up to the coach to install a wining attitude till the kids learn it for themselves. My fear is last night reinforced the "we can't win the big one" in the kids minds.

Some coaches can overcome it. Urban Cryer screws the pooch in a game every year and recovers. Others never can.

It's my worst fear that we have a coach who will win 8-11 every year. Have us just outside looking in and that will be good enough for the school to maintain status quo.

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We should have never been in overtime. Butch played it safe and lost the game for the second time in his short stay at UT. Its a huge concern that he is unwilling to try and close out games when we have the lead in the second half. I hope this is the turning point for butch in his philosophy. He needs to learn to be aggressive and try to blow out teams, every game. My guess, he learned a hard lesson last night and will never play safe again.
 
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Winning is more than a swagger. I think Butch Jones gets a large part of the puzzle. I think he puts together some decent strategy in game preparation and we all know he can recruit. My biggest concern is his ability to make adjustments during a game and his lack of killer instinct. He's the kind of coach that would look to a percentage chart to see what choice he should make during a game.
 
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millst987 said:
We should have never been in overtime. Butch played it safe and lost the game for the second time in his short stay at UT. Its a huge concern that he is unwilling to try and close out games when we have the lead in the second half. I hope this is the turning point for butch in his philosophy. He needs to learn to be aggressive and try to blow out teams, every game. My guess, he learned a hard lesson last night and will never play safe again.
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I would hope so and have been on the record as a Butch supporter. But the Vandy loss, last years Florida loss should have already taught him this lesson. How many time do we have to see a screen pass not work before you call different plays.
The quick out to pig that hit him in the ankles didn't help. Hey my QB struggles with the short pass....maybe we should go down the field
 
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MaxamusXIII said:
Youth was an issue last year.
Youth is not an issue now. We still have young guys out there but unlike last year there are enough guys with experience around them that youth should no longer be listed as a reason for a loss. Everyone plays young players.
Having said that...coming out of that situation you have to learn to win. We had that chance last night. It all went south when the tight end dropped the pass at the end of the 1st drive in the 2nd half ( not using his name because it's the play that's important not his personal error). It's as if the whole team expected to lose from that moment on. It's up to the coach to install a wining attitude till the kids learn it for themselves. My fear is last night reinforced the "we can't win the big one" in the kids minds.

Some coaches can overcome it. Urban Cryer screws the pooch in a game every year and recovers. Others never can.

It's my worst fear that we have a coach who will win 8-11 every year. Have us just outside looking in and that will be good enough for the school to maintain status quo.

Thoughts?
TL;DR
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We played almost as many freshmen as we did last year. Injuries have hurt us some on Defense.
My problem is that we had the chance to put them away and didn't coach to do that. We're not set up at this time to overcome negative plays and penalties... Much less bad calls. A loss at fl would be devastating for the programs forward progress. Butch and company have to get it right in a hurry
 
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I'd go with 8-9 (good years) guy right now. I havent seen anything that tells me he is better than that.
 
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The shocking thing is that of all opponents, Stoops and OKy runs their mouth about our conference the most, why would you take your foot off their neck!? This was a statement game to send a message to our conference and college football and the game plan should have been to score 100 and never let up. Instead Granddaddy fell asleep in the booth and we seemingly didn't try to score another point the second half.
 
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millst987 said:
We should have never been in overtime. Butch played it safe and lost the game for the second time in his short stay at UT. Its a huge concern that he is unwilling to try and close out games when we have the lead in the second half. I hope this is the turning point for butch in his philosophy. He needs to learn to be aggressive and try to blow out teams, every game. My guess, he learned a hard lesson last night and will never play safe again.
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You can blame Butch all you want. But the truth is our LB got two separate holding calls on 3rd and long on Oklahoma first touch down drive. He kept it alive for them. I don't know if its the QB or WRs, but something got to happen there. Our WRs don't make the playes like they should. Shepard made playes for Oklahoma and that why they win games. Plus I thought our field goal kicker would be a advantage this year. But he is missing too many field goals. If he hits that short field goal we don't even go to OT.
 
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I'm wondering if they give Kirkland the nod to start next week just to see how he fares. Minimal risk against an inferior team for a better product later on. jmo
 
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I didn't have a problem with Dobbs last night honestly, seemed like CBJ made the O get out of sync when he started to try and kill the clock. Once the momentum was gone they just couldn't get it back but I don't blame that on Dobbs. jmo

Edit: I don't get the doomsday reference, I must be missing something.haha Assuming auto correct
 
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Learning how to win is the most overstated pile of crap I have ever heard. Most of these players come from successful hs programs and have been winning football games since elementary school. Yesterday as many things went wrong as things that went right in our win against USC jr last year. This was the second game of the year and the season is far from over. I believe a team lost the second game of the year last year to VT and proceeded to have a decent season. If we do not compete in the east and if we do not win some big games this year against confrence opponents I will be worried but until the GBO /end rant
 
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rickyyrs said:
You can blame Butch all you want. But the truth is our LB got two separate holding calls on 3rd and long on Oklahoma first touch down drive. He kept it alive for them. I don't know if its the QB or WRs, but something got to happen there. Our WRs don't make the playes like they should. Shepard made playes for Oklahoma and that why they win games. Plus I thought our field goal kicker would be a advantage this year. But he is missing too many field goals. If he hits that short field goal we don't even go to OT.
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Was that missed FG 48 yds? I wish he made it, too....but that's a long one. At least he can reach the end zone on a kickoff! Seems like we haven't had a kicker that could do that in a while!
 
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KBVol said:
I haven't seen anything yet that tells me he's that good.
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I'm old and have seen a lot of Tennessee football.
Last night was almost as bad as the Auburn comeback from 14 down in the forth against Majors.
No overtime back then do it was a tie that was treated like a loss.
 
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gr82batnvol said:
Winning is more than a swagger. I think Butch Jones gets a large part of the puzzle. I think he puts together some decent strategy in game preparation and we all know he can recruit. My biggest concern is his ability to make adjustments during a game and his lack of killer instinct. He's the kind of coach that would look to a percentage chart to see what choice he should make during a game.
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this is very true. They never make adjustment during halftime or throughout the game. even if we are up at halftime, adjustments still need to be made. Ou and uf, during both games, adjustments were needing to be made, instead the team's play and playcalling got worse.
 
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The difference being that if we win that game we'd have been ranked #1 for the 1st and only time under Majors.
 
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MaxamusXIII said:
I'm old and have seen a lot of Tennessee football.
Last night was almost as bad as the Auburn comeback from 14 down in the forth against Majors.
No overtime back then do it was a tie that was treated like a loss.
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I was there - it was 16 pts not 14. That tie seemed worse based on the roster Majors had and the fact we let Stan White score 2 TDs on 4th down & make 2 two point conversions.

UCLA 26-26 in '85 home opener was also similar.

1980 16-15 loss to UGA & Herschel also similar
 
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ajvol01 said:
I was there. That tie seemed worse based on the roster Majors had and the fact we let Stan White score 2 TDs on 4th down & make 2 two point conversions.

UCLA 26-26 in '85 home opener was also similar.

1980 16-15 loss to UGA & Herschel also similar
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Was at all of those games.
The fumble late vs Ga late about the 4yrd line haunts me till this day.
 
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millst987 said:
We should have never been in overtime. Butch played it safe and lost the game for the second time in his short stay at UT. Its a huge concern that he is unwilling to try and close out games when we have the lead in the second half. I hope this is the turning point for butch in his philosophy. He needs to learn to be aggressive and try to blow out teams, every game. My guess, he learned a hard lesson last night and will never play safe again.
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"Be aggressive, you can't win the game on your side of the scrimmage line." Robert Neyland:clapping:
 
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You know Vol fans their the best Sunday morning quarterbacks ever. The kicker can't make kicks under pressure.One made kick and we win.
 
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When we went up 17-0 on Oklahoma, you could tell Stoops was getting worried. This is when Butch needed to go for the Jugular and try to blow them out. Screw all of this trying to play safe, go with what is working.
 
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MaxamusXIII said:
Youth was an issue last year.
Youth is not an issue now. We still have young guys out there but unlike last year there are enough guys with experience around them that youth should no longer be listed as a reason for a loss. Everyone plays young players.
Having said that...coming out of that situation you have to learn to win. We had that chance last night. It all went south when the tight end dropped the pass at the end of the 1st drive in the 2nd half ( not using his name because it's the play that's important not his personal error). It's as if the whole team expected to lose from that moment on. It's up to the coach to install a wining attitude till the kids learn it for themselves. My fear is last night reinforced the "we can't win the big one" in the kids minds.

Some coaches can overcome it. Urban Cryer screws the pooch in a game every year and recovers. Others never can.

It's my worst fear that we have a coach who will win 8-11 every year. Have us just outside looking in and that will be good enough for the school to maintain status quo.

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The loss last night hurts sometimes the better team losses last night the better team lost. If you look at how Bowling green beat Maryland that made that win look better and last night we just didn't finish like you said they need to learn to win. Hopefully the coaches can learn and let these kids know that they can still accomplish there goals this year and not to give up.
 
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