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BigOrangeTrain said:
A 1 dimensional offense wont really work in the SEC. If Leach comes and doesnt tweak his syetm, we will get wrecked again.
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I agree, but last year they ran for over 1500 yards. Good coaches assess the situation and react accordingly.......I guess we will see if he is a good coach (that is if he takes the job).
 
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Kevinyaheard said:
Dude... he has always done so much more with so much less... when you are going to bash him, please be gracious enough to tell us who you would rather have, that is a VIABLE option.

Go beg Dave Doreen, or Gruden... Leach is widely considered one of the most innovative coaches of his generation, let's give him some actual resources and see what he can do. You seem like a Florida troll, if I was a Florida or Georgia fan I wouldn't want us to hire Mike Leach either...
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I hope he does great if he comes here. But some are acting like he is going to come in here and make Tennessee a high flying stats machine like WSU. Hate to burst your bubble but it aint gonna happen.

I am fine with Leach. I just dont think he is that good. He is just likely the best we can do right now.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Football Statistics | Pac-12

Washington State Cougars 2017 Statistics - Team and Player Stats - College Football - ESPN

Sorry but I dont know where you get your stats from. But Leach's RBs have 295 touches for 860 yards, at a 2.9YPC and 71 yards per game.
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If you add the amount of times the running backs caught the ball, to the amount of times they ran the ball, you get the total amount of touches. Yes, it includes rushes and receptions because the Air Raid isn't too concerned with how the back is getting the ball....
 
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You do know that Kentucky was a high flying stats machine (on offense) when he was the OC there right? And that was with far less talent than he should be able to pull in at UT.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Football Statistics | Pac-12

Washington State Cougars 2017 Statistics - Team and Player Stats - College Football - ESPN

Sorry but I dont know where you get your stats from. But Leach's RBs have 295 touches for 860 yards, at a 2.9YPC and 71 yards per game.
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I don't know where you got your BRAIN from. Do you know anything about football? What's the difference between a quick rb swing pass and a toss sweep? One counts as a run, and the other is TECHNICALLY a pass. THEY BOTH ACCOMPLISH THE SAME THING.

You have been told several times, his style of offense is unique, CREATIVE even. Don't try to quantify it. One man's toss pitch is another's flare pass. It's deeper than the numbers. Quit making yourself look dumb, it's embarrassing.
 
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theknox said:
That is 295 carries, not 295 touches. The leading 4 rushers also have 132 receptions for just under 1000 yards.
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Which means its a pass heavy offense. Thats not necessarily a bad thinb but if you think that stuff is going to flourish against teams like Alabama, Georgia and maybe Florida then good luck. I dont see it.

If Leach comes to Tennessee I hope I am wrong about everything I said.
 
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Booker512 said:
I mean...Butch ball won us 9 games.

I think Leach would get us a couple more. Especially when he can actually get top 15 recruiting classes to Knoxville. Imagine Leachs system with a Josh Dobbs or an Alvin Kamara. Leach likes to throw the ball to his RBs. They have almost as many receiving yards as they do rushing yards. Kelly will do well with that.

I’ve said it on another thread. No one is beating Alabama running the football. It hasn’t happened. It’s not going to happen. You need an efficient passing game to beat Alabama. Last year Clemson had like 58 rushing yards on Alabama in the national championship game.
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Spread with a good running QB is what works against Saban. I'm not here hating on Leach, he is a good coach. I just don't see him running the ball enough to avoid the inevitable bad passing game or to win championships. The WSU/UW is a good example, Peterson beat him up bad. Those games will happen and have happened every year under leach. Oklahoma runs the air raid and everyone talkz about how they lose at least 1 game every year they shouldn't. Now I will GLADLY take the success Oklahoma has had, Leach needs to continue playing defense like he did this year
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I hope he does great if he comes here. But some are acting like he is going to come in here and make Tennessee a high flying stats machine like WSU. Hate to burst your bubble but it aint gonna happen.

I am fine with Leach. I just dont think he is that good. He is just likely the best we can do right now.
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Go look up my post history from the day Jones was fired. He was in my top 5, if he comes. I'm STOKED.
 
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Kevinyaheard said:
Go look up my post history from the day Jones was fired. He was in my top 5, if he comes. I'm STOKED.
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He was my 5 too. We won't ever out recruit Bama on the o and d lines, which makes it hard to beat them with the run. They might still beat you with the pass, but that's the route the teams that upset them take.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Which means its a pass heavy offense. Thats not necessarily a bad thinb but if you think that stuff is going to flourish against teams like Alabama, Georgia and maybe Florida then good luck. I dont see it.

If Leach comes to Tennessee I hope I am wrong about everything I said.
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For Reference:
Stats from Clemson vs Alabama last year:

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		Clem	Ala
1st Downs	31	16
3rd down eff    7-18	2-15
4th down eff	0-1	1-1
Total Yards	511	376
Passing		420	155
Comp-Att	36-57	14-32
Yards per pass	7.4	4.8
Int		0	0
Rushing Yds.	91	221
Rush Att.	42	34
Yards per rush	2.2	6.5

Seems like the pass heavy offenses at least have a shot at being successful.
 
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GRN1926 said:
Spread with a good running QB is what works against Saban. I'm not here hating on Leach, he is a good coach. I just don't see him running the ball enough to avoid the inevitable bad passing game or to win championships. The WSU/UW is a good example, Peterson beat him up bad. Those games will happen and have happened every year under leach. Oklahoma runs the air raid and everyone talkz about how they lose at least 1 game every year they shouldn't. Now I will GLADLY take the success Oklahoma has had, Leach needs to continue playing defense like he did this year
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Peterson has a very big talent advantage over WSU, plus he is as good of a coach as Leach. WSU beat the 2 teams playing in the PAC12 championship game though, didn't they? (USC & Stanford) he outcoached them because his team is not as talented as there's. yes he may lose to Saban, lots do... I bet he will beat up some Kirby (Not So) Smarts and Mus-Chumps though!

(Seriously, rewatch that USC game, he put on a coaching CLINIC SON!)
 
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theknox said:
For Reference:
Stats from Clemson vs Alabama last year:

Code: 
		Clem	Ala
1st Downs	31	16
3rd down eff    7-18	2-15
4th down eff	0-1	1-1
Total Yards	511	376
Passing		420	155
Comp-Att	36-57	14-32
Yards per pass	7.4	4.8
Int		0	0
Rushing Yds.	91	221
Rush Att.	42	34
Yards per rush	2.2	6.5

Seems like the pass heavy offenses at least have a shot at being successful.
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Good catch but thats really a 1 game sample. And thats with a Clemson team that had NFL talent on both sides of the ball.

I am not saying Leach wouldnt be successful. I just dont think his offense is gping to blow everyone away like they are expecting. Especially not in the SEC. if he comes, we shall see.
 
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Kevinyaheard said:
I don't know where you got your BRAIN from. Do you know anything about football? What's the difference between a quick rb swing pass and a toss sweep? One counts as a run, and the other is TECHNICALLY a pass. THEY BOTH ACCOMPLISH THE SAME THING.

You have been told several times, his style of offense is unique, CREATIVE even. Don't try to quantify it. One man's toss pitch is another's flare pass. It's deeper than the numbers. Quit making yourself look dumb, it's embarrassing.
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Well time will tell I guess. Thats if Curries dumbass is smart enough to pull it off.
 
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GRN1926 said:
Spread with a good running QB is what works against Saban. I'm not here hating on Leach, he is a good coach. I just don't see him running the ball enough to avoid the inevitable bad passing game or to win championships. The WSU/UW is a good example, Peterson beat him up bad. Those games will happen and have happened every year under leach. Oklahoma runs the air raid and everyone talkz about how they lose at least 1 game every year they shouldn't. Now I will GLADLY take the success Oklahoma has had, Leach needs to continue playing defense like he did this year
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As leach said in his Postgame...If you want to know why the Huskies controlled the lines in that game so much better...look at the recruiting rankings disparity...then he said we are doing a lot better in that area.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Good catch but thats really a 1 game sample. And thats with a Clemson team that had NFL talent on both sides of the ball.

I am not saying Leach wouldnt be successful. I just dont think his offense is gping to blow everyone away like they are expecting. Especially not in the SEC. if he comes, we shall see.
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It will take a while to get his offense put it. Don't start start stupid isht when it does sputter.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Good catch but thats really a 1 game sample. And thats with a Clemson team that had NFL talent on both sides of the ball.

I am not saying Leach wouldnt be successful. I just dont think his offense is gping to blow everyone away like they are expecting. Especially not in the SEC. if he comes, we shall see.
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What do you think is gonna work better? Serious question?

Triple option?
3 yards and a cloud of dust?
The old Single-Wing?
Line up in a Power-I and run straight ahead?
Punt on every 3rd down?
 
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Saban had an awful time with this offense at A&M. Of course Kingsbury had a transcendent talent to work with, but still Bama could not stop it. Then Kingsbury went home to TTech.
 
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also his interviews and pressers are must see tv. hope he throws in some eye disciplines for entertainment value. his presser after cal loss was awesome
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
PAC 12 stats:

2014- #1 in passing, last in rushing

2015- #1 in passing, last in rushing

2016- #1 in passing, #11 in rushing

2017- #1 in passing, last in rushing

How does that say balanced offensive attack?
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Okay, that's a fair question.

The system is known as air raid. He and Hal Mumme got into cahoots together, culminating their allegiance while at UK.

In the modern era, they sort of get credit for it, but it's actually older than that.

Glenn "Tiger Ellison", wrote a book in 1965, after employing it even earlier called, Run And Shoot Football - The Now Attack.

Another guy, Darrell "Mouse" Davis had a big impact around 1975 at Portland State.

Anyway, many of the principles, the option route, gangster, wide splits, including The Lonesome Polecat which looks like what you see on special teams, PAT called today "The Swinging Gate".

All of these things that guys like Don Coryell, Jerry Glanville, etc..from the NFL take credit for...just not true. Even Bill Walsh was borrowing these principles while calling the spread, or run and shoot a gimmick.

So, when we talk about being balanced, in this kind of offense, a swing pass, a shuttle pass (also known as the Utah Pass, LaVelle Edwards (BYU) that Urban Myers uses almost every game btw), a screen pass, a flat pass...all to the backs are all high percentage pass plays, viewed as a run play.

So let's see.

Jamal Morrow, the lead back at WSU this season has 86 carries for 522 Yards (6.1 Yds./Att.), 4 RTD, He has 56 receptions, for 479 Yards (8.6 Yds./Rec.) and 5 TD's.

In other words, he has 1001 yards from Scrimmage.
The other back has 798 yards from scrimmage, almost 1800 yards from 2 backs.

John Kelly had 1099 yards from scrimmage but he ran it 189 times, 103 MORE carries than Morrow for a 4.1 yd. average and 9 TD's, all rushing. One took a pounding to get his 9 TD's the other, not so much.

Be glad to discuss this all night because my boys won a State Championship tonight and I ain't got to work tomorrow!
 
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