Lawsuit to remove "In God we Trust" from currency

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Hopvol said:
I don't believe so. I think the flaw is in the per capita portion. I have seen the national statistics and I see what is going on in the world and in my community. I don't care that there are more people in my city, I care that we have averaged 6 murders and over 1000 burglaries in the past 5 years when these things were extremely rare 25 years ago. The police chief will say "yes but the population has tripled in that time". I don't care about that, I care that my city has gotten more violent while the media is telling me it is getting safer.
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Your city has only gotten more violent if the per capita rate has increased. If you pin your notions to a non per capita statistic, then it is rendered meaningless, since you would be committing to saying that a world with a population of 1,000 and 500 murders is a safer world than a world with a population of 7 billion and 501 murders. And, well, that is just absurd. But, your only option in refuting that assertion is to embrace per capita statistics.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I don't think anybody that understands the Bible would claim to know the will of God, yet many act like they do know his will. I think that is the main factor in the "height of arrogance" comment made by PKT. Probably shouldn't speak for him, though.
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I certainly don't claim to know the will of God. I wont even claim to understand everything in the Bible. I merely stated that I do believe there is only one God.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
So two non-Christians or nonreligious people are incapable of having a successful marriage?
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No two non believers can have a very long and happy marriage.I never said they could not.[/QUOTE]

PKT_VOL said:
Furthermore, all Christians who do get a divorce do so because they not in fellowship with God?
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At least one of them is not in fellowship with God.


Surely, you see the contraction here.[/QUOTE]

What contradiction?
 
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therealUT said:
No, our political system was not set up to cater to the beliefs of the majority; this is why the majority was only represented in one part of one branch of government when the nation was founded (the House of Reps) and the majority was not directly involved, if involved at all, in the other branches.
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Re-read what I said. I did not say how it was set up, I said how it is now. Where an entire 1/3 of the government is chosen by popular vote, and with a popular vote playing a massive role in the election of another 1/3. The final 1/3 is chosen and appointed by an elected official and approved/confirmed by officials elected by popular vote.
 
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therealUT said:
Your city has only gotten more violent if the per capita rate has increased. If you pin your notions to a non per capita statistic, then it is rendered meaningless, since you would be committing to saying that a world with a population of 1,000 and 500 murders is a safer world than a world with a population of 7 billion and 501 murders. And, well, that is just absurd. But, your only option in refuting that assertion is to embrace per capita statistics.
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I understand the need for calculating in per capita data but I think that the results are not completely accurate. I don't know your age but I think as Gramps said, anyone who was around 50 years ago should be able to see that Americas cities are not safer today.
 
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Gramps said:
If one does not believe in God. I say they are atheist. I know you call yourself something else.
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I believe in God, just not your God. Big difference.

Gramps said:
Whatever you are you are okay in my book.
You would be even more awesome, if you let Jesus into your life...:)
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You are ok in my book as well. One of my favorite posters here.

As I have said before, if Jesus was real, I hope he reaches me before I crossover.
 
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VolStudent19 said:
TRUT: I do not need that statement to affirm my faith. But I would bet there are some that feel it is important. I'm sure there are some (more then likely a lot) that would be offended by a change. Would their sensibilities not be given equal weight?
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Well, now you are saying that it costs something to remove it (others would be offended). Then, you find out which principles underlie each of the positions and whether the individuals in each of the positions are absolutely committed to the principles, or if they are simply using the principles for one argument but are not committed to the principles when used in other arguments. If the latter is the case, then those individuals do not actually have an argument.

So, if you sit down both groups, and one group argues that "In God We Trust" ought to remain on the currency because it represents the beliefs of a majority of the nation, then, using that principle, you can ask if they would support having "Allahu Akbar" on the currency if the majority were Muslims.

Personally, I do not think any mottos ought to be on the currency (nor any pictures of presidents and statesmen); I think the money ought to simply say "United States Currency" and have the dollar amount. Why is all the bull **** art needed?
 
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VolStudent19 said:
Re-read what I said. I did not say how it was set up, I said how it is now. Where an entire 1/3 of the government is chosen by popular vote, and with a popular vote playing a massive role in the election of another 1/3. The final 1/3 is chosen and appointed by an elected official and approved/confirmed by officials elected by popular vote.
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How it is now is a corrupted, ****ed up, and unsustainable system.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
not to an atheist....no. But can you prove that there's "not" a supreme being or "not" just one Creator God? How do only you know that there's not a God or supreme being?
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can you prove Zeus doesn't exist? Poseidon?

proving a negative gets dicey. There's this teapot...
 
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PKT_VOL said:
I believe in God, just not your God. Big difference.
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My apologies. As much as we have talked I should have known that. I thought you did not believe in any God


PKT_VOL said:
You are ok in my book as well. One of my favorite posters here.

As I have said before, if Jesus was real, I hope he reaches me before I crossover.
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As do I PKT.



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Gramps said:
No two non believers can have a very long and happy marriage.I never said they could not.
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Then the successfulness or failure of marriage has nothing to do with Christianity, right?

Gramps said:
At least one of them is not in fellowship with God.
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You also said earlier that there are legitimate divorces. Could two people not just grow apart and be unhappy with one another?

Gramps said:
What contradiction?
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Gramps said:
I firmly believe that most of our morals come from religious teachings. I do also know there are millions of people with good morals that has never darkened the doors of a church.
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How can "most of our morals come from religious teaching" AND have millions of people with good morals sans religion? Something has to give. You can't have both being true statements.
 
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I always laugh at the notion that things are so horrible now compared to "back in the day".

Yeah life was grand 50 years ago when certain people weren't allowed to do simple things like oh...eat wherever they wanted to.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I always laugh at the notion that things are so horrible now compared to "back in the day".

Yeah life was grand 50 years ago when certain people weren't allowed to do simple things like oh...eat wherever they wanted to.
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I was referring to crime. Certainly things such as civil rights and medicine have improved.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
not to an atheist....no. But can you prove that there's "not" a supreme being or "not" just one Creator God? How do only you know that there's not a God or supreme being?
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I never said there was not one or that there is one. I never said there were many or just one. I never claimed to know the will of God.

Religious people, including Christians, preach certainty. Their religion requires it. However, I am preaching that one, no matter what faith or non faith, cannot know the existence of God, how many God's there are, or the will of God. We are mere mortal humans who cannot have any real knowledge of the metaphysical. Therefore, I preach doubt of certainty of the metaphysical.
 
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