Lawsuit-nuisance or major distraction?

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volinbama256 said:
When Peyton and Lil Jon were brought into this, its hard to take any of this seriously and UT's coaching staff can reference this on the recruiting trail as an example of a witch hunt of sorts.... I will tell you that John Doe current player is JUMPER.
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Oh for Pete's sake. If the John Doe isn't named in the damn lawsuit why put a name to him here. Even if you have any way to know that for sure--which I doubt--why put this out there? And if this is a lie or joke you just defamed a guy for no goid darn reason.

Good Lord. Think before you hit send. Use some common sense.

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volroadwarrior said:
Are you kidding me? Go into the bedroom of a guy who just attempted to rape her?

She did not deserve to be raped, but how naïve or down right stupid can you be? Now us taxpayers and parents of students have to pay for her stupidity. Suing the university will be paid out of our pockets.
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"advances" = "attempted to rape".

Are you kidding me?

Don't get mad at me for having the thought that girls should be able to walk around without the constant fear of rape.

I do think less crime would occur if people were more aware of their surroundings and carried a pistol. And that's a different subject that applies.
 
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mscelinaVol said:
Oh for Pete's sake. If the John Doe isn't named in the damn lawsuit why put a name to him here. Even if you have any way to know that for sure--which I doubt--why put this out there? And if this is a lie or joke you just defamed a guy for no goid darn reason.

Good Lord. Think before you hit send. Use some common sense.

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I wasn't going to draw light to it but, yes when it comes to rape, don't keep it a secret from me that my daughter has a class with a rapist. If he rapes my daughter after you are aware of the accusation, then I hold you accountable too.

The problem is, by not announcing it to the world, it's a sign of doubt in the accusation or fear for the accused well being.

There's not a person on earth that says " don't punish the rapist". Excluding all rapists.

If he raped her castrate him. If that was the punishment for rape, things would be different.
 
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I40flyer said:
You obviously have trouble with reading comprehension! I clearly state, those that were present, not the entire staff. Have you been smoking crack? :crazy:

In fact here is my post:
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There is more, if Mr. Bowles was threatened and assaulted by team members-with the presence of some of the coaching staff - there must be an accounting. Criminal actions should never be "swept under the rug". IF, there is any truth to this allegation, all the staff present (paid staff) must be fired, at a minimum.
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Assault, all that may be is some one yelling at another, or quietly making a threat, or even telling someone how things are gonna be , the ole "this is a promise, not a threat".

Who knows if the coaches were in the loop?

Two players having a argument, that by itself is not reason for dismissal.

On the other hand.

If the coaches knew what was going on and didn't stop it, that is allowing it to happen, and giving it your endorsement. They need to go.
 
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mscelinaVol said:
Oh for Pete's sake. If the John Doe isn't named in the damn lawsuit why put a name to him here. Even if you have any way to know that for sure--which I doubt--why put this out there? And if this is a lie or joke you just defamed a guy for no goid darn reason.

Good Lord. Think before you hit send. Use some common sense.

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Well as a matter of fact one of my good friend's daughter is a part of this soooo..........yeah, I'm putting this out there.
 
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volroadwarrior said:
Are you kidding me? Go into the bedroom of a guy who just attempted to rape her?

She did not deserve to be raped, but how naïve or down right stupid can you be? Now us taxpayers and parents of students have to pay for her stupidity. Suing the university will be paid out of our pockets.
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see this is why i said earlier i don't like to weigh on these things.

there's only two people that really know what happened.

i doubt, i hope maybe better said, that a girl that felt threatened less than 24 hours ago by an individual wouldn't go right back assuming things would be different.

that said, there's really only one person to blame in a rape case. the rapist.

i defy anyone on this site to come up with a valid reason or excuse that it's ok for a girl to be raped. and calling her stupid is not the answer. it's in fact the reason a lot of rapes, sexual assaults and attempted rapes never even get reported. and precisely the type of environment they are claiming exists at UTK presently.

that's the thing i thinks some of you need to remember as you start screaming "Money grap, lying, what was she thinking"...these are the types of things that foster the exact environment they claim exists. and if you folks on this site have these thoughts....don't you think it's at least possible so do some of the alleged perpetrators?

just something to think about.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
Assault, all that may be is some one yelling at another, or quietly making a threat, or even telling someone how things are gonna be , the ole "this is a promise, not a threat".

Who knows if the coaches were in the loop?

Two players having a argument, that by itself is not reason for dismissal.

On the other hand.

If the coaches knew what was going on and didn't stop it, that is allowing it to happen, and giving it your endorsement. They need to go.
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i had to fire a guy and call the police once becasue two employees got in to it and one of them said to the other "i'm gonna effn kill you". now, was he really? doubtful, something said in anger and frustration.

but the other employee felt threatened, reported it to me, and if i hadn't handled it the way i did, i would be fostering a hostile work environment.

so it it's all in the eye, or ears, of the beholder and how far they're willing to take things in accordance with current laws and regulations.

long story short...be careful what you say and who you say it to. you have to know your audience. if you don't mean it, don't say it.
 
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volinbama256 said:
Well as a matter of fact one of my good friend's daughter is a part of this soooo..........yeah, I'm putting this out there.
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What is the point? You know (what I am assuming came from dad) a second hand, one sided story and your outing this guy. Why?

How would you look at the situation if I came on here and said a friend of mine's the father of Jumper and this girl is named XYZ and she is a herpes infested cleat chaser?
 
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livefaith said:
One of the circumstances accused in the case is that of a UT student who's at a party where Yemi starts hitting on her and then pressures her to go have sex with him right there. She resists his advances. But, the very next day she comes to his apartment, talks with him for an hour or so, then goes back to his bedroom and sits on the bed to talk with him. All alone now. The it is alleged that he forcibly rapes her, then goes to play in that 30pt UK blowout game.

Yes, IF TRUE, his actions are vile and evil period ... but lawsuit aside for just a moment. What in the HE11111111111111111111111 was this girl thinking? :crazy:
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Your last question brings up a couple things that seem to be largely overlooked in all this.

1. These are allegations that have yet to be proved. They may be 100% true or false but it seems like the truth is usually somewhere in the middle. I don't doubt for a second that UTAD (and most AD's in the Power 5) do a poor job of handling these situations and lives are ruined in the process. At the same time I sincerely doubt Dave Hart was screaming 'you can't handle the truth' and ordering Code Reds.

2. Just by questioning this or any other allegation does not make you Pro-Rape, Pro-Face Sitting, or Pro-Anything. Allegations must be proven and thorough examination is the first step.

3. Murder is pretty cut and dry. You are either dead or not dead. Excluding violent assault and rape (also pretty cut and dry,) the majority of rape cases seem to focus on whether it was consensual or not. It is often based on perception and subjective interpretation. That doesn't mean any pain or suffering is not real but it also might suggest the guy didn't realize he was a predatory monster either. Add booze to the mix (common ingredient) and it becomes even more hazy.

Again, not pro-rape or making excuses just pointing out this stuff ain't always black and white.
 
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Will the new lawsuit cost us former wins, bowl game eligibility, player suspensions, and or firing of our current football coaches including butch jones? is it this serious?? is it going to wreck our 2016 season before it has even started?
 
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Iam4utalways said:
"advances" = "attempted to rape".

Are you kidding me?

Don't get mad at me for having the thought that girls should be able to walk around without the constant fear of rape.

I do think less crime would occur if people were more aware of their surroundings and carried a pistol. And that's a different subject that applies.
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I agree that women should never have to walk in constant fear of being raped but we should all try to exercise good judgement as well.

I had a neighbor whose car had been broken into repeatedly. In spite of this, he did not lock his car and or park it in his garage. I one time asked him why he just didn't park it in the damn garage. His response was 'I shouldn't have to.' On some cosmic level, I'm sure the guy was right but there's a fine line between expecting the most out of our fellow man and just being a moron.

Easier rule for avoiding trouble, don't do stupid $hit in stupid places with stupid people. Get at least 2 of the 3 right and you'll probably be fine.
 
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govols105 said:
Will the new lawsuit cost us former wins, bowl game eligibility, player suspensions, and or firing of our current football coaches including butch jones? is it this serious?? is it going to wreck our 2016 season before it has even started?
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Why even go down this road?
 
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I'm with "what he said" too. I think the Uni will settle outta court saving face and the plaintiffs will get at least some $$$ to remedy the effects laid out in the suit. I doubt the plaintiffs really care primarily to correct UT. The lawyers of course are in for the coin. UT makes it all go away for a million or something and has the settlement sealed.

Just my "haven't even been to Law School" opinion. So tifwiw
 
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livefaith said:
I'm with "what he said" too. I think the Uni will settle outta court saving face and the plaintiffs will get at least some $$$ to remedy the effects laid out in the suit. I doubt the plaintiffs really care primarily to correct UT. The lawyers of course are in for the coin. UT makes it all go away for a million or something and has the settlement sealed.

Just my "haven't even been to Law School" opinion. So tifwiw
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FWIW -Paul Fortenberry just said on the radio, he expects UT to fight this all the way and not settle.
 
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finn said:
I agree that women should never have to walk in constant fear of being raped but we should all try to exercise good judgement as well.

I had a neighbor whose car had been broken into repeatedly. In spite of this, he did not lock his car and or park it in his garage. I one time asked him why he just didn't park it in the damn garage. His response was 'I shouldn't have to.' On some cosmic level, I'm sure the guy was right but there's a fine line between expecting the most out of our fellow man and just being a moron.

Easier rule for avoiding trouble, don't do stupid $hit in stupid place with stupid people. Get at least 2 of the 3 right and you'll probably be fine.
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when i was a kid going out w/friends on a friday or saturday night my dad would always say "be careful, ok", and once i replied, why don't you trust me?

his reply..."it's not you i'm worried about, it's the other idiots out there".

the same applies here. because i shouldn't have to be careful isn't a reason that i shouldn't.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i had to fire a guy and call the police once becasue two employees got in to it and one of them said to the other "i'm gonna effn kill you". now, was he really? doubtful, something said in anger and frustration.

but the other employee felt threatened, reported it to me, and if i hadn't handled it the way i did, i would be fostering a hostile work environment.

so it it's all in the eye, or ears, of the beholder and how far they're willing to take things in accordance with current laws and regulations.

long story short...be careful what you say and who you say it to. you have to know your audience. if you don't mean it, don't say it.
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The only reason you fired the guy was because it was your job.

A grown man afraid of a little trash talking.

You should have told them if I have to tell y'all one more time to settle down,I will pull over and you all get a belt whipping.

I'm sure it all started over something simple.
 
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