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VolsnRavens said:
Hope you were joking there (bold type). Not cool to just be a d*ck to someone for no reason. I know some guys who wrestled in high school, and yes their training and bodies were both incredible. But I do agree with your main point. Completely different sport that requires different types of training all together. Also, since the sport of College football has changed so much, it's so much harder to get into that football shape, more is expected out of each player, if you'll remember, you used to see track and field athletes move to football all of the time. That has slowed considerably. So much more is expected of the receiver now than just run fast and catch. It still happens. Just not as common. It really is great to have stability in the S&C coach. And you are seeing the difference in our players.
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Haha I was joking about that but I do find it ridiculous to compare high school wrestling with what sec football has become.
 
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chattaboogie said:
Wrestling matches are fifteen minutes tops with 6 minutes of all out effort. Very different than football games which last hours and have many extended breaks. And thats just the start of how they differ. Trust the professionals. You were probably JV anyway
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Talking out of rear-end, clearly not having a clue... probably walked past the Wrestling room and looked through the window in the door while on his way out to sneak a smoke....
 
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CroKev said:
I know a little bit abut this one.

When it comes to amount of calories expended per minute, nothing compares to wrestling.

Some of the best OL in the NFL wrestled in HS/college. Doesn't translate well to a lot of the other positions.

Wrestling involves a tremendous amount of technique. Way too much to expect a football player to pick up in just a few months, let alone years.

Wrestling involves more pulling-in-motion so pull-ups, rope climbing, rowing motion, etc. is key. Football (linemen, receivers, etc.) involves more of a pushing away (punching) explosion (with the exception of guys who have to tackle and OL who can get away with holding).

I can tell you NONE of the football players messed with the wrestlers at UT when we had the latter, even when the wrestlers were half their size. Football players did fine for about the first 20 to 30 seconds and then they had nothing left. There are no 30 second breaks and TV timeouts between plays (which usually only average 7 seconds) in wrestling.

:hi:
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PREACH IT BROTHA-- :rock:
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
ItsAllVols, I found your post puzzling. Help me out with a few points, please:

(1) "...those lats...support the shoulders...." Wondering why the sudden focus on one particular muscle set in a thread that, to this point, hadn't delved nearly this deep. In any case, the lats do not actually "support" the shoulders. The lats are primarily used in movement of the upper arms, esp. pulling down and back. They also contribute to alignment of the spine. The trapezius muscles ("traps") are what support the shoulders, kind of like the cables on a suspension bridge. But why delve into specific muscle groups, in the first place?

(2) "...pass coaches..." This clearly means past coaches, not talking about CZA specifically, but past S&C coaches. Right?

(3) "...always got beat in the 1/2 half..." Literally, this translates as "always got beat in the one-half half," but I have to believe you meant either the "1st half" or, more likely given the context, the "2nd half." Is that what you meant? Second half?

What an odd post. In its specificity about muscle groups, it does not seem to be a response to anything that came before. I should probably have just passed it by, but its sheer oddity got me scratching my head.

ItsAllVols, please explain?
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Really all your muscles are very important in football. Particularly all the muscles of the legs, glutes, and lower back. This gives the body speed, base power and balance. The upper body needs plenty of strength too. Strong pectorials and triceps ensure the ability to push off an opponent. Strong biceps and forearms keep ball carriers from fumbling. As far as the lats and traps, they sure are handy for ripping a ball loose from a ball carrier. I guess that the most important reason to work everything is to avoid injury. For example if you train your back and never train you chest you risk shoulder injury. If you train chest and never back you risk back injury.
 
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I wrestled and played football in highschool. Both are tough sports, but i will say that the best and most well conditioned footbal players as well as the toughest ones all wrestled. And our HS football team was really really good....and has been for a long time. Puts out various division one players each year, including numerous successful SEC players.

Off season wrestling conditioning programs would be an excellent idea for any football team.

The fact of the matter is, wrestling is a much much tougher sport and pushes you to the limits conditioning wise.

Both sports require a lot of explosiveness and fast twitch muscle movements.

One thing for sure is, you would never see someone who has gone through conditining for wrestling with their hands on their knees between plays nor in the 4th quarter. It's just a different level of conditioning altogether and the techniques learned n wrestling and pyshics of how to plant your body is invaluable for sports such as football ESPECIALLY for linemen. IMO every linemen at UT should be forced to cross train in ameuter wrestling as well. It would make a huge huge difference in their conditioning and and leverage skills.

I remember consistently seeing our linemen when Dooley was coach and even stil a few although not as often now under Butch looking gassed by the late third quarter. There is just really no excuse for this.

Conditioning for football just isn't tough enough IMO. It focuses on building a lot of strength and speed, but not nearly enough stamina for prolonged all out intensity.

As good as our high school football program was, i thought the conditioning was flat out soft compared to our wrestling program. And i think by football program standards, our practices were pretty tough because we would have former players who played at big time college programs come back and meet with our team laugh and joke about how much easier the college practices and workouts were than the ones at my old highschool because coaches are so scared of injuries at that level.

And as a football player, I would consistently see non wrestling guys puking their guts out during two a days in the hot summer when i wasn't even feeling winded. The toughest thing about football is just taking the hitting and dealing it out. But a lot of people can do that. Conditioning and intensity wise the fact of the matter is, lot's of football players are soft.
 
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crunchimusmaximus said:
I wrestled and played football in highschool. Both are tough sports, but i will say that the best and most well conditioned footbal players as well as the toughest ones all wrestled. And our HS football team was really really good....and has been for a long time. Puts out various division one players each year, including numerous successful SEC players.

Off season wrestling conditioning programs would be an excellent idea for any football team.

The fact of the matter is, wrestling is a much much tougher sport and pushes you to the limits conditioning wise.

Both sports require a lot of explosiveness and fast twitch muscle movements.

One thing for sure is, you would never see someone who has gone through conditining for wrestling with their hands on their knees between plays nor in the 4th quarter. It's just a different level of conditioning altogether and the techniques learned n wrestling and pyshics of how to plant your body is invaluable for sports such as football ESPECIALLY for linemen. IMO every linemen at UT should be forced to cross train in ameuter wrestling as well. It would make a huge huge difference in their conditioning and and leverage skills.

I remember consistently seeing our linemen when Dooley was coach and even stil a few although not as often now under Butch looking gassed by the late third quarter. There is just really no excuse for this.

Conditioning for football just isn't tough enough IMO. It focuses on building a lot of strength and speed, but not nearly enough stamina for prolonged all out intensity.

As good as our high school football program was, i thought the conditioning was flat out soft compared to our wrestling program. And i think by football program standards, our practices were pretty tough because we would have former players who played at big time college programs come back and meet with our team laugh and joke about how much easier the college practices and workouts were than the ones at my old highschool because coaches are so scared of injuries at that level.

And as a football player, I would consistently see non wrestling guys puking their guts out during two a days in the hot summer when i wasn't even feeling winded. The toughest thing about football is just taking the hitting and dealing it out. But a lot of people can do that. Conditioning and intensity wise the fact of the matter is, lot's of football players are soft.
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This makes sense because wrestling involve both strength and endurance. Key for football.
 
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The kind of endurance needed for wrestling isnt the same kind as football.

Football players have no need to run two to three miles for conditioning.
 
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Vol8188 said:
The kind of endurance needed for wrestling isnt the same kind as football.

Football players have no need to run two to three miles for conditioning.
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Conditioning is conditioning. I don't see a wrestler run two or three miles on the mat either... If you ever talked to a defensive minded coach they will tell you wrestling is better for tackling and core strength to drive threw in your tackles. I got a football scolly thanks to wrestling IMO.
 
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Wait are we talking football players only lift? Then there's that pesky half the time football players have to well practice team sport? Special teams has: hands team for onside kicks, punt, kickoff, field goal, fake field goal, victory formation, clock formation, kill time set ( aka run out the clock) , goal line monster sets) that all run in a game usually , then offensive or defensive skill specific drills of course, running all IDK 50 plays in usually 3 formations with fake stunts, real stunts, double teams. Put Kurt Angle in at linebacker in even 2nd team practice drills. Would be obliterated 9/10 times lost or out of position.
 
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CroKev said:
I know a little bit abut this one.

When it comes to amount of calories expended per minute, nothing compares to wrestling.

Some of the best OL in the NFL wrestled in HS/college. Doesn't translate well to a lot of the other positions.

Wrestling involves a tremendous amount of technique. Way too much to expect a football player to pick up in just a few months, let alone years.

Wrestling involves more pulling-in-motion so pull-ups, rope climbing, rowing motion, etc. is key. Football (linemen, receivers, etc.) involves more of a pushing away (punching) explosion (with the exception of guys who have to tackle and OL who can get away with holding).

I can tell you NONE of the football players messed with the wrestlers at UT when we had the latter, even when the wrestlers were half their size. Football players did fine for about the first 20 to 30 seconds and then they had nothing left. There are no 30 second breaks and TV timeouts between plays (which usually only average 7 seconds) in wrestling.

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The first time I ever achieved a true second wind was at wrestling practice . Before I thought that it was just something people said . So weird to go from barely standing and then have an immense burst of energy all of a sudden.
 
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