Lawless not on campus, future uncertain

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#76
wtmvol said:
Umm, if that’s true, it’s a nasty black eye for Pruitt IMO.
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It's not any worse than all the scholarships Saban pulled from kids already on campus. Unfortunately it's business these days. It hurts Pruitt too because of the lost scholly in the '18 class. But it's not any worse than a kid being lazy in class and not being able to get qualified. I do wish if they weren't as high on him that they wouldn't have let him signed. It would have saved us a scholly and given him time to find another school.
 
#77
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wtmvol said:
Sorry - when I read DP's post, I missed that his grades were still an issue. To clarify my stance, going as far as giving a high school kid the papers to sign and then basically taking his spot away well after signing day because you later determined you had a better option is what I would take issue with. If he's not eligible academically, then yeah, we need to go in a different direction.
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I see both sides on this. But if a kid transfers it's because he has better options so it's really the same thing. If they were hesitant on letting him sign they could have delayed it and let it play out. In the long run its better for us and for him if he wasn't gonna see the field anyway. It's the world of college football and it can be shady from both sides.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
It's not any worse than all the scholarships Saban pulled from kids already on campus. Unfortunately it's business these days. It hurts Pruitt too because of the lost scholly in the '18 class. But it's not any worse than a kid being lazy in class and not being able to get qualified. I do wish if they weren't as high on him that they wouldn't have let him signed. It would have saved us a scholly and given him time to find another school.
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Another way to look at them letting him sign the LOI in February.....they took a chance on him despite perhaps having some concerns, were willing to stand by him and honor the the commitment to him....
 
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KBVol said:
Another way to look at them letting him sign the LOI in February.....they took a chance on him despite perhaps having some concerns, were willing to stand by him and honor the the commitment to him....
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I can definitely see arguments for both sides. I think in hindsight it gets done differently, but it's the way of college football now. The new scholarship rules make it harder for the Coach's too because you can't afford many misses anymore. Long as you stay under the 85 limit you should have the opportunity to sign a few extra to keep a full 85.
 
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All this bickering and speculation is a moot point and rather pathetic. He isn't at Tennessee because he doesn't have the test score. He can't get in UT or anywhere else for that matter.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Grades are a concern, but his senior film is a bigger one.

Since he signed, he counts against the 25 signees, that's already done. But if he enrolls, he would be the 25th new enrollee this calendar year, which would mean Tennessee could not take in another graduate transfer. It's complicated, but basically, there are two 25 limits each year. One is signees, the other is actual enrollees. You can get around the first number with blueshirts and some other roster management tricks. You can't get around the second number in any way.

So the staff, already concerned about his film and his grades, slow-played him around signing day, but ultimately sent him papers to sign. Now, they see a better option out there as a grad transfer, and while he is currently eligible to enroll in school, he still has not been ruled eligible to play or practice.
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If that's true then that's just cold. I'll lose slot of respect for Pruitt.
 
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wtmvol said:
Sorry - when I read DP's post, I missed that his grades were still an issue. To clarify my stance, going as far as giving a high school kid the papers to sign and then basically taking his spot away well after signing day because you later determined you had a better option is what I would take issue with. If he's not eligible academically, then yeah, we need to go in a different direction.
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I think he expects to be eligible by the time practice starts. Tennessee isn't sure. There have been a lot of guys over the years that "expected" to get the score/grade they needed and never did.

To me, if you let it get to this point where there's still a doubt, then I can't blame a staff for moving on. This isn't a J.J. Peterson situation where everyone knew the deal coming in (late semester finish, grades in that semester would be important), this is a situation where grades and a score shouldn't have been close, but now they are and UT has to make a decision.

It is VERY concerning for a staff, any staff, when on-field AND academic performance decline at the same time late in a kid's career.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
If that's true then that's just cold. I'll lose slot of respect for Pruitt.
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Not me. If it takes being cold blooded and mercenary to win in the SEC, then Pruitt needs to do what it takes to win. My expectations for Pruitt and staff have nothing to do with being choirboys and getting sportsmanship trophies. My expectations are all about winning, whatever it takes within the rules, win, that's it, especially since we've "guide, guarded, and directed" ourselves into a previous zero SEC win season. I personally am rawer than raw about that.
 
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RockyTopTexas said:
From big 3.. to one who might end up playing guard lol
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Don't believe this hurts us in any way, especially if the Coach's weren't as high on him. Think typically there's just 1 NG in the game at a time anyway unlike the 4-3. We still brought in Gooden,Emerson, Harris plus we still have Tuttle, Johnson and Crosby. Losing the scholly in the '18 class hurts more than anything.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
I think he expects to be eligible by the time practice starts. Tennessee isn't sure. There have been a lot of guys over the years that "expected" to get the score/grade they needed and never did.

To me, if you let it get to this point where there's still a doubt, then I can't blame a staff for moving on. This isn't a J.J. Peterson situation where everyone knew the deal coming in (late semester finish, grades in that semester would be important), this is a situation where grades and a score shouldn't have been close, but now they are and UT has to make a decision.

It is VERY concerning for a staff, any staff, when on-field AND academic performance decline at the same time late in a kid's career.
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So if Kennedy Transfers here we will know Lawless won't, right? Since there's no way to take both??
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Don't believe this hurts us in any way, especially if the Coach's weren't as high on him. Think typically there's just 1 NG in the game at a time anyway unlike the 4-3. We still brought in Gooden,Emerson, Harris plus we still have Tuttle, Johnson and Crosby. Losing the scholly in the '18 class hurts more than anything.
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I more speaking on the fact that the base of the 18 class was Emerson litaker and lawless ( future of the Dline).. we current only have one on campus and he spent time on the oline during spring... if you follow recruiting then you would know the hype for these 3 guys potentially being starters on the Dline in the future and all from the state of Tennessee was huge
 
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#96
guess he won't need shades for his future...:thud:...dang, it's always something...:crazy::crazy:

GO BIG ORANGE!
 
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#97
RockyTopTexas said:
I more speaking on the fact that the base of the 18 class was Emerson litaker and lawless ( future of the Dline).. we current only have one on campus and he spent time on the oline during spring... if you follow recruiting then you would know the hype for these 3 guys potentially being starters on the Dline in the future and all from the state of Tennessee was huge
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I do follow it and know the hype that was fan and media created. But our Coach's had no faith in Litaker being healthy enough to contribute and weren't as high on Lawless either as they are Emerson. Just like the instate '19 class. Our coach's aren't very high on many of them and are much higher on the '20 instate class. I wish all 3 could have been 3-4 yr starter's here.Our staff won't take guys they don't believe will help win just like most kids won't go play in a system they don't fit in. Unless you're Hurd and have a HC telling you what you wanna here. I much prefer JP's way of doing it even if it can come across as wrong. But his job is dependent on getting his type of players and not bring in players just to appease fans or boost class rankings. If he fails here, he can atleast say he did it with his guys and not ones he brought in to make a few fans or HS Coach's happy.
 
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Remy said:
Not me. If it takes being cold blooded and mercenary to win in the SEC, then Pruitt needs to do what it takes to win. My expectations for Pruitt and staff have nothing to do with being choirboys and getting sportsmanship trophies. My expectations are all about winning, whatever it takes within the rules, win, that's it, especially since we've "guide, guarded, and directed" ourselves into a previous zero SEC win season. I personally am rawer than raw about that.
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Not as raw as you are but if the kid hasn't cut it by now and we can get Kennedy, Pruitt can cut him loose with no strings or he can go to JUCO and come in next year. I want to see quality product, not helping hand kids anymore.
 
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Remy said:
Not me. If it takes being cold blooded and mercenary to win in the SEC, then Pruitt needs to do what it takes to win. My expectations for Pruitt and staff have nothing to do with being choirboys and getting sportsmanship trophies. My expectations are all about winning, whatever it takes within the rules, win, that's it, especially since we've "guide, guarded, and directed" ourselves into a previous zero SEC win season. I personally am rawer than raw about that.
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Agreed. Remember when Memphis fans were all up in arms when Cal kept passing on local guys to recruit nationally? Remember how quickly they stfu when they were in the hunt every year? I'll take some of that.
 
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