Latest Todd McShay projections for Vol prospects

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KBVol said:
"Avoiding the thread"? Lol. Posted in this thread 5 hours prior to your post here. I got a life son, not wasting away time in my parents' bedroom.

And you wouldn't know they truth if it hit you in the face, which it has been for awhile now.
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I actually made that post after I saw you post in another thread.

Glad you didn't run away.
 
#102
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I actually made that post after I saw you post in another thread.

Glad you didn't run away.
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Happy to see you're thinking of me so much. What in the world makes you think a guy who's posted 31,000 times in 4.5 years on VN would "run away"? You know better.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Oh I never said you hate Dobbs in a vacuum. You just hate him more than you hate being wrong. You can try to spin this all you want but you can't deny this one fact. You care more about being right than whether Dobbs is as successful as I predict.

For example, you spent the entire off-season last year denying Dobbs would improve much statistically as a senior. When he did improve nearly as much as I said he would, you spent the entire time trying to diminish that by saying most of his numbers came against weak competition. You do this all the time where you try to diminish Dobbs so you can win an argument. That's typically not what someone does if they actually like the person.

Let me try to explain to you why what you do is problematic. For example, I'm a big fan of Russell Westbrook. If someone made an outlandish argument that Westbrook is the best basketball player ever because he averaged a triple double, I would disagree but I would not try to tear down Westbrook or his accomplishments just to win an argument. I wouldn't do it cause I'm a fan of Westbrook. Now if that same person made an argument that Steph Curry is the best player ever cause he won a unanimous MVP, I would rip apart Steph and his accomplishments cause I'm not a fan of his. I wouldn't feel any sensitivity to his talent and accomplishments cause I don't really care for him.

You treat Dobbs in our arguements like someone you don't care much for which is why you are comfortable ripping apart his accomplishments if it helps you in an argument.

I wouldn't be surprised if you are rooting against Dobbs going before the 4th round in the draft so you can be right.
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Omg the irony in this post.

I'd be thrilled if Josh went first overall. He's a great kid, great ambassador for my university, did everything right at Tennessee and was on balance an outstanding football player for my lifelong favorite team. I'll be beyond happy if he goes 1st Rd, 2nd Rd, 3rd Rd. You just don't get it, do you.

And, if he goes in the first 3 rounds, which I sincerely hope he does but do not think he will, I'll come on VN, hat in hand, say I was wrong, and give you kudos for getting one right. How about that?

But I can 100% tell you what I won't do....that's call the GM and scouts of the NFL team that may select him earlier than I think a bunch of know-nothing blithering idiots.
 
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#104
#104
This is D4H every time he goes on and on about the <1% of the time he is actually right
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#105
KBVol said:
Omg the irony in this post.

I'd be thrilled if Josh went first overall. He's a great kid, great ambassador for my university, did everything right at Tennessee and was on balance an outstanding football player for my lifelong favorite team. I'll be beyond happy if he goes 1st Rd, 2nd Rd, 3rd Rd. You just don't get it, do you.

And, if he goes in the first 3 rounds, which I sincerely hope he does but do not think he will, I'll come on VN, hat in hand, say I was wrong, and give you kudos for getting one right. How about that?

But I can 100% tell you what I won't do....that's call the GM and scouts of the NFL team that may select him earlier than I think a bunch of know-nothing blithering idiots.
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But you will diminish his numbers and say he got most of it against weak competition when you are proven wrong about whether or not Dobbs would improve significantly as a senior.

I hope for your sake what you wrote is true and you aren't petty enough to wish ill will on a kid just so you can win an argument.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
But you will diminish his numbers and say he got most of it against weak competition when you are proven wrong about whether or not Dobbs would improve significantly as a senior.

I hope for your sake what you wrote is true and you aren't petty enough to wish ill will on a kid just so you can win an argument.
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Lol. All I did was talk facts. Josh was having a tough year throwing the ball statistically until the last 5 games of the season, that was just a fact, I pointed it out. I don't deal in fantasy like you, I deal in tangible outcomes.

As far as your second paragraph...dear God you have zero self-awareness. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. And don't worry about my "sake"...it ain't tied to arguing to some kid with an over inflated sense of self on a message board.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
You see this is what I mean.

Many others on here didn't think my projections for Dobbs would happen so like you they ridiculed it when I made them. But they all said they hoped it came true. So when Dobbs had the spectacular november and bowl game some were happy and said I was close to being right after all. But then you come in and say no nitpicking the numbers because I said Dobbs would have 4000 total yards while he finished with around 3800.

You behave different from anyone else on here when it comes to Dobbs huge November. You not only ignored his performance in November. You spent the next few weeks arguing with everyone that it wasn't that impressive since it came against weak competition.

You were the only person who seemed mad that Dobbs played as well as he did that month. Your actions were not those of someone happy that a player they liked performed well.

You care more about being right than Dobbs being great. I'm pretty sure you're rooting against Dobbs getting drafted in the 2nd-3rd round and having a great NFL career so you can be right.

That is not how someone who likes a player behaves.
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You don't get it you are still wrong!!!! 3800 isn't 4000!!! Close is only good in horseshoes and hand grenades.

Dobbs had a great year and yet you were still wrong, That isn't that hard to comprehend, everyone on VolNation sees it except you!:)
 
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johnrlansford said:
You don't get it you are still wrong!!!! 3800 isn't 4000!!! Close is only good in horseshoes and hand grenades.

Dobbs had a great year and yet you were still wrong, That isn't that hard to comprehend, everyone on VolNation sees it except you!:)
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Correct John. He's had a ton of stats and predictions that's he's gotten wrong thrown back at him, I've done it myself, yet he persists. Dude is tone deaf and/or eat up with hubris and is never gonna acknowledge....however, as you said, we all see/know what he won't acknowledge. It's all good.
 
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KBVol said:
Lol. All I did was talk facts. Josh was having a tough year throwing the ball statistically until the last 5 games of the season, that was just a fact, I pointed it out. I don't deal in fantasy like you, I deal in tangible outcomes.

As far as your second paragraph...dear God you have zero self-awareness. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. And don't worry about my "sake"...it ain't tied to arguing to some kid with an over inflated sense of self on a message board.
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You seem to not get it. I'm not saying you lie. I'm just saying you don't behave in a way a fan would. If you are such a big fan of Dobbs why would you feel the need to knock him down a peg every time even if its true? Its a rather bizarre move for someone who is a fan to do.

Most fans of a player are just happy their guy played well. They don't try to dissect and diminsh his accomplishments against people trying to give him props.

You behave like someone who doesn't like Josh. Because only someone who doesn't like a player tries to argue against people to give that person props.
 
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johnrlansford said:
You don't get it you are still wrong!!!! 3800 isn't 4000!!! Close is only good in horseshoes and hand grenades.

Dobbs had a great year and yet you were still wrong, That isn't that hard to comprehend, everyone on VolNation sees it except you!:)
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Either way I was closer than KBVol who said last year Dobbs would have roughly the same season in 2016 that he had in 2015. And he called my predictions outlandish.

Obviously Dobbs was significantly better in 2016 and the fact he was so close to my 4000 total yards prediction shows that was not very outlandish.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
You seem to not get it. I'm not saying you lie. I'm just saying you don't behave in a way a fan would. If you are such a big fan of Dobbs why would you feel the need to knock him down a peg every time even if its true? Its a rather bizarre move for someone who is a fan to do.

Most fans of a player are just happy their guy played well. They don't try to dissect and diminsh his accomplishments against people trying to give him props.

You behave like someone who doesn't like Josh. Because only someone who doesn't like a player tries to argue against people to give that person props.
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Jesus Christ. Just forget it. You literally have neither the capacity nor the inclination to understand the very easy to understand points I've made regarding our debates on Josh. If you wanna broach this subject again, you'll do it alone, I'm exhausted and done with it. Have a good one buddy.
 
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A number of QB needy teams would probably prefer to wait until at least the second round before grabbing one--given that there seems to be about 5 or more who are said to be decent/good but not great--but once one goes the other will likely get picked quickly as teams won't want to miss out on at least one of their favorites. Nearly all QBs go earlier than they should based on pure value.
 
#116
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KBVol said:
Jesus Christ. Just forget it. You literally have neither the capacity nor the inclination to understand the very easy to understand points I've made regarding our debates on Josh. If you wanna broach this subject again, you'll do it alone, I'm exhausted and done with it. Have a good one buddy.
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I guess when you can't explain yourself you go with the you're not smart enough to understand what I'm saying excuse.

What I'm saying is pretty simple. You don't behave like you're a fan of Josh if you are constantly diminishing his accomplishments in the face of others trying to give him props.

Remember this issue with his November stats wasn't in an argument with me. You were arguing with some other folks about it months ago and I jumped in. You were the only guy on here trying to diminish his performance last season by saying most of the production came against weak competition.

I would expect something like that from bamawriter or some of the other fans of other teams. But it is bizarre for a Vols fan and a guy who claims to be a Dobbs fan to be the guy in every thread reminding people Dobbs season in 2016 was not that good since he put up most of his stats against weak competition.

That's not the way a fan typically behave.
 
#119
#119
Why does D4H "hate" Barnett? Now that we know the definition of such is downplaying extreme admiration and hype? :)
 
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butchna said:
Why does D4H "hate" Barnett? Now that we know the definition of such is downplaying extreme admiration and hype? :)
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Never claimed to LOVE him like KBVol does with Josh. I root for DB cause he's a vol. And I do like him. But he's just another player on the team to me. Dobbs is really the only guy I would say is a favorite of mine.
 
#121
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Either way I was closer than KBVol who said last year Dobbs would have roughly the same season in 2016 that he had in 2015. And he called my predictions outlandish.

Obviously Dobbs was significantly better in 2016 and the fact he was so close to my 4000 total yards prediction shows that was not very outlandish.
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I don't care if your predictions were outlandish or not but KB wasn't attacking Dobbs in any way he was attacking you. You are still claiming that he isn't a true fan of Dobbs, because he didn't agree with you and your predictions.

Dobbs was significantly better but he still didn't hit your bold prediction, close or not!!!
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I guess when you can't explain yourself you go with the you're not smart enough to understand what I'm saying excuse.

What I'm saying is pretty simple. You don't behave like you're a fan of Josh if you are constantly diminishing his accomplishments in the face of others trying to give him props.

Remember this issue with his November stats wasn't in an argument with me. You were arguing with some other folks about it months ago and I jumped in. You were the only guy on here trying to diminish his performance last season by saying most of the production came against weak competition.

I would expect something like that from bamawriter or some of the other fans of other teams. But it is bizarre for a Vols fan and a guy who claims to be a Dobbs fan to be the guy in every thread reminding people Dobbs season in 2016 was not that good since he put up most of his stats against weak competition.

That's not the way a fan typically behave.
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You are the only person who doesn't understand his arguement!!!! It is perfectly clear to 99.9% of VolNation so i tend to lean on the side of KB here.

KB and I haven't agreed on much over the years but this is a very clear argument he is making!
 
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johnrlansford said:
I don't care if your predictions were outlandish or not but KB wasn't attacking Dobbs in any way he was attacking you. You are still claiming that he isn't a true fan of Dobbs, because he didn't agree with you and your predictions.

Dobbs was significantly better but he still didn't hit your bold prediction, close or not!!!
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Actually we moved beyond that. We're now talking about the fact that he spent weeks arguing with other posters that Dobbs November stats were not that impressive since it came against weak competition. That was not an argument not with me. It was with other posters.

My question is why would you diminish Dobbs accomplishments if you claim to be a fan?

Its a rather simple question and he's yet to answer it. All he's done is evade or change the topic. I don't care if he enjoys using Dobbs struggles as a pawn against my predictions. Its just weird that he also argued fervently against other posters last year trying to diminish Dobbs season by saying most of the production came against weak competition in November. As if most players don't put up their best stats against the weakest teams on their schedule.
 
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