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#252
WVMULE said:
Defense:

Defensive line a strength. No real concerns. WVU believes its DL is night and day from last year.

At LB the first four, lead by David Long and Dylan Tonkery, are exceptional. Not much experience after the top four of Long, Tonkery, Benton and Hensley. WVU will be in trouble if one of the top four goes down.

The Spur (Dravon Askew-Henry), Bandit (Toyous Avery) and FS (Kenny Robinson) are solid to exceptional.

LCB Hakeem Bailey has had a good fall camp battling against one of the best group of WRs in the country, but Bailey has always been a practice superstar who only started to show his talent in games late last year.

RCB Derrek Pitts has the skills and attitude to be a shutdown CB but he's up and down as r-frosh starting for the fist time will be. Pitts is a big hitter with good speed.

Offense:

OL is a strength of the team and one of the best in the country. They've had a few titanic battles with the DL.

The WR group truly is one of, if not the best in the country. Dana describes Alabama transfer TJ Simmons as "pro" with the ability to "go get the football". Frosh Sam Jones has shown blazing speed. Marcus Simms has had a great fall camp and has Grier's full trust going into the season. And there's always David Sills and Gary Jennings...

The breakout has been TE Javoni Haskins. Haskins has shown incredible hands and has the speed and size to take advantage of LB coverage. If Haskins has a weakness its blocking. If he's in the game then he's likely a target or a decoy.

The RBs have been somewhat disappointing with 4* frosh Leddie Brown being the only true standout. Brown, 6'1", 190, will not start but he might just get the bulk of the carries.

Dana and DC Tony Gibson have done nothing to curtail expectations. As a matter of fact both have been downright cocky.

Its a safe bet that WVU will use a three WR set with TE Trevon Wesco in as h-back for max protect to start the game. They expect Tennessee to blitz early and often and exploit the matchups that result.

Expect Grier to take a few shots deep early especially if Sills has double coverage and Simms or Simmons are one-on-one.
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#253
#253
jakez4ut said:
i dont think Grier played in that one, but even still, that's a power 5 team that isn't a doormat.

just don't come on here after playing the Big 12 schedule, and say "SEC, not impressed" basically.

pshht.

i wonder how vocal some of these jack legs would be if they were playing Bama, GA, Auburn etc...instead of us?

WVU...you're supposed to win...by double digits. you're suposed to win the Big 12. you're supposed to be a playoff contender. you have a heisman contender at QB. AA Wr's........the best defense you've had in years......blah, blah, blah. and we're supposed to be impressed because of your pre season hype???

please oh please, don't lose to poor old lowly TN....lol.
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Exactly and what they don't understand is we had the same (Minus the Heisman Candidate QB/ AA Wide Receivers) Hype last year and went 4-8. But, only 4 more days and we will see what true coaching has yielded. It makes a big statement by Pruitt that some True Freshman will be starting. If he thinks they are ready then I would assume they are. He wouldn't start then if they weren't, so WV dismissing that fact blows my mind.
 
#255
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concordeer said:
OK, typo on my part, 0-8. Doesn’t change it from being winless, which still proves you guys are.. just BAD right now.
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Dude, switch schedules with us and you all would be 4-8 or worse.

Our lack of wins last year and our short-comings in 2015/2016 were due to abismel coaching. Last season the team gave up and relented effort wise. Not to mention all of the injuries we have faced over the last few years.

We are coming in to the season with some actual coaching and a healthy roster. Our starting 11 on each side of the ball can almost compete with anyone in the SEC. West Virginia better hope for all of the breaks they can get, because you all are going to need them.
 
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concordeer said:
What’s with this whole “SEC Caliber” and “SEC Speed/Size” BS that you guys keep referring to when comparing an opposing team’s roster or comparing matchups? It either shows delusion or stupidity on your part. Just in case you didn’t realize, we have played games against Georgia, Auburn (home and away), LSU (home and away), Mississippi State (home and away), Alabama, Missouri, and Texas AM since 2005. You make our 11th SEC opponent since then. We’re pretty familiar with the SEC and have had some reasonable success against a few of those conference opponents during that time frame. Here’s the kicker though, aside from a couple of really bad Mississippi State and Missouri teams we’ve come across, you guys are one of the worst SEC teams we will have seen. Your 4-8 and 0-9 record, plus what you have lost/returning shows that. Does that mean we blow you out on Saturday? Not necessarily, but I like our chances. If you think we haven’t seen “SEC” style or “SEC” athletes then go tell that to a wall because I promise you that whatever you put on the field Saturday we have seen better in recent years in both the SEC and Big 12. I’m sure Pruett will get you where you want to be as a roster and as a program, but Saturday isn’t going to be it.
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You West Virginia dudes are worse than our resident Florida and Bama posters, and that says a lot coming from a Tennessee fan..
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
In case you didn't realize it, no one gives a s--t about WVU outside your state. So no one has really paid attention to your out of conference schedule.
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I've never cared about that mediocre Big 12 team until someone left the barn door open and let all these jackasses in here.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Wouldn't expect anything less from a school best known for hurling batteries, urine, and trash at the fans, players, and coaches of ANY team visiting the hellhole they call a home.
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Hellhole? I thought West Virginia was as close to heaven as you could get or something like that.
 
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concordeer said:
What’s with this whole “SEC Caliber” and “SEC Speed/Size” BS that you guys keep referring to when comparing an opposing team’s roster or comparing matchups? It either shows delusion or stupidity on your part.
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No. It isn't. Not just the NFL draft but the guys who actually make careers is a really good measure of the talent a given conference has over time. As of 2015, 309 SEC alums were on an NFL roster. The ACC was a distant 2nd with 239 followed by the Big Ten with 224 and the Pac12 at 220. The Big 12 was a VERY distant 5th out of the Power 5 conferences with 132. So yeah, you play 1 or 2 or in a tough year 3 teams with SEC level talent. That's considerably different from playing that caliber of talent 9 or 10 times in your typical season. In terms of NFL players per school by conference, the SEC has 22.1 while the Big12 is still last among Power 5 conferences with 13.2.

Just in case you didn’t realize, we have played games against Georgia, Auburn (home and away), LSU (home and away), Mississippi State (home and away), Alabama, Missouri, and Texas AM since 2005. You make our 11th SEC opponent since then. We’re pretty familiar with the SEC and have had some reasonable success against a few of those conference opponents during that time frame.
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You beat a 4-8 Mizzou team. You beat a 5-7 Auburn team and a 3-9 Miss St team. Your one true quality win was in 2005 vs UGA. I'm pretty sure those players no longer have eligibility left. If I counted right, you are 2-4 overall vs SEC teams that finished with a winning record. The last time WVU beat an SEC team that finished with a winning record was 2007 vs MSU.

More relevant, you are 1-2 in the last 4 years vs the SEC with the only win coming against 4-8 Mizzou and losses to Bama and TAM.

No wonder you tried to skim over the details of such an impressive record of experience vs the SEC.

Here’s the kicker though, aside from a couple of really bad Mississippi State and Missouri teams we’ve come across, you guys are one of the worst SEC teams we will have seen.
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Here's the real kicker. You and several others have answered legitimate critiques of your team in relative detail with reminders of how bad UT was last year under a now fired HC who really should have never been hired. Good recruiter. Failed at pretty much everything else football related. Why not deal with the fact that WVU isn't the greatest team UT will face this year much less any longer time period... they aren't second either... or third... probably not 4th or 5th.

Your 4-8 and 0-9 record, plus what you have lost/returning shows that.
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Does it? Have you actually looked into UT's roster as deeply as other Vol fans and I have WVU's? I've watched several WVU replays from last year BEFORE commenting on your team or players. Have you?

Does that mean we blow you out on Saturday? Not necessarily, but I like our chances. If you think we haven’t seen “SEC” style or “SEC” athletes then go tell that to a wall because I promise you that whatever you put on the field Saturday we have seen better in recent years in both the SEC and Big 12. I’m sure Pruett will get you where you want to be as a roster and as a program, but Saturday isn’t going to be it.
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I'm not sure how far Pruitt has brought the team. Jones was bad. Very bad.

That said... when the two teams meet Saturday... UT will be bigger, stronger, faster, and more athletic in every position group except the starting QB's and that isn't as far off as you might want to think. Grier's advantage is in his head... not his arm or legs... over Guarantano. You may win due to experience. You may win due to familiarity with your coach and system. You will not win because on the whole you have better players... because you simply don't.

As far as the lost players are concerned... that probably should concern you the most. Virtually to the man, recent Vols who have been drafted or taken as UFA's have played better than expected based on their performance under Butch Jones. Emmanuel Mosley makes a really good case study. He had all the physical tools. People here (especially the diehard Jones defenders) called him trash... said he had no talent... etc. He's played well in the 49er's camp and has positioned himself to make their roster or another team. Alvin Kamara was Jones' back up to Jalen Hurd (now a Baylor WR)… what has he done in the NFL?

It has been a repeating pattern with Jones' players that their true potential is seen AFTER they stop playing for him.

Nate Peterman is another great example. He was awful... not bad but terrible under Jones. He went and played for Jim Chaney at Pitt then got drafted. He's now competing to be an NFL starter.

These guys are the fortunate ones. Many others had their careers cut short with injuries due in large part to Jones' idiotic ideas about development, technique, and S&C.

Long story short... You should educate yourself about that "lack of talent" you think UT has.
 
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Oh... one more thing WVU fans should at least pause to think about... UT was already down a hand full of starters last year by the time they played GT. The best WR was hurt vs GT followed by a succession of OL's and WR's. Injuries were even worse on D.

This year UT enters the first game very, very healthy. Only one or two contributors are even questionable at this point. This is after an off-season where Pruitt returned the program to tried and true fundamental methods of S&C... and asked most players to gain muscle weight.
 
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I am tired if hearing how this is a game we are going to lose or a toss up game. We will roll them. Lock of the week, load up on the Vols this week. OL much improved, D healthy and much improved. QB will manage the game. RB and WR ready to roll. We start off strong and go on to 8-4. Ball bounces right, we do better. Deadbolt out!
 
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Screw it man, I’m with you. We are Tennessee!! When every year our goal is to beat the Bama’s and the Georgia’s of the world (the latter of which we typically do), who in the world are the West Virginia Mountaineers??

The Butch Jones era is over. We’re not going to Charlotte Saturday to lose.

GBO. No matter what.
 
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#272
It's legal in MS and I live in Memphis...I'm going all in. This reminds me of when people were saying NC State and cincy would give us all we could handle. Or when bama and Notre Dame were playing for the Natty. We completely outclass these guys
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
Screw it man, I’m with you. We are Tennessee!! When every year our goal is to beat the Bama’s and the Georgia’s of the world (the latter of which we typically do), who in the world are the West Virginia Mountaineers??

The Butch Jones era is over. We’re not going to Charlotte Saturday to lose.

GBO. No matter what.
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That’s the problem
 
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