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Did you read the article? It talks about how mask wearing may be decreasing the viral load to which persons are exposed to, leading to many who are exposed to getting mild or asymptomatic cases that still are sufficient to generate the necessary antibodies.

Sounds like a great way to protect the elderly and compromised , you know the ones that this virus actually affects . For the rest of us , apparently our immune system works as it is supposed to and creates the antibodies when we are exposed ... now that we know this let’s open open and get back to work . 😉
 
The Hasidic communities in NYC have some of the highest antibody percentages in NYC (first article below). If any community in NYC should be showing that they're close to herd immunity it's the Hasidic community and those who live in Elmhurst and Corona in Queens. The fact that we're seeing an outbreak in the Hasidic community again (second article) tells me they've not hit the herd immunity threshold.

Brooklyn’s Hasidic Jews are acting like they have herd immunity. Could they be right? - Jewish Telegraphic Agency

N.Y.C. Warns About Rising Virus Cases in Hasidic Neighborhoods
If that's the case, then that community may not have had as high a level of background protection/T-cell cross-memory.

At any rate, stay home if you want. I'm looking forward to the activities of this weekend too much to argue with you. I hope you have a chance to enjoy it some, as well.
 
Did you read the article? It talks about how mask wearing may be decreasing the viral load to which persons are exposed to, leading to many who are exposed to getting mild or asymptomatic cases that still are sufficient to generate the necessary antibodies.
I rarely read anything you post to be honest, just like with Justin its all partisan crap
 
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Gotta love New York logic - slight rise in cases; shut it down because we have to save lives. FDA approves a vaccine; not so fast, we need to have our people do their own safety check delaying the deployment of a vaccine.

Science!
There is very little logic in 2020.
 
Me too. Excess deaths have been basically the only statistic I’ve seen to support our response as all other statistics point the opposite direction. This seems to run very counter to that.

@TennTradition any thoughts?


Using data from the NCHS/CDC mortality surveillance system, I get the following

2018*: 2,831,836
2019*: 2,845,796

In 2020, official reporting in the NCHS mortality surveillance system extends through September 19. I have no idea how you would say "through 9/24", when deaths are only officially reported through 9/19, to my knowledge.

The count through 9/19 is 2,267,854. However, there is lag that means the last 3 or so are too low and will continue rising. However, to be conservative, I'll just use the average of 2018/2019 for those weeks and re-calculate. That number becomes 2,314,260 (over 38 CDC weeks ending in 2020)

If we were to extrapolate that to a year, we would actually get 3,166,882.

So we can say she's wrong.

However, extrapolating that to a full year isn't the right thing to do. Excess deaths are down to about 500/day (which is also about where CDC-reported deaths/day are) as of 9/12 (too much error in trying to estimate that 9/19 week so I don't use that data in my calculations). If we do not see a second wave, that excess death number will likely continue dropping and could go negative if pull forward deaths (older people that would have died this fall but died this spring) exceed COVID + lockdown related deaths. Lockdown deaths (particularly in patients with alzheimers) continue to climb so it will be interesting to watch. Cancer deaths not showing a strong trend up yet, and in fact are trending a little below average I think.

Point being, too many unknowns from here to take that last 38 weeks and extrapolate those to the next 14. We've had about 275,000 excess deaths through 9/12 by my calculations. That number will continue going up for a while...but could drop a bit if pull forward deaths become significant.




*I used the 52 CDC weeks ending in the year of interest to calculate that year's deaths. It will contain a few days from the previous year, but also doesn't contain a few days at the end of the year, depending on what day of the week Jan 1 falls on.
 
Using data from the NCHS/CDC mortality surveillance system, I get the following

2018*: 2,831,836
2019*: 2,845,796

In 2020, official reporting in the NCHS mortality surveillance system extends through September 19. I have no idea how you would say "through 9/24", when deaths are only officially reported through 9/19, to my knowledge.

The count through 9/19 is 2,267,854. However, there is lag that means the last 3 or so are too low and will continue rising. However, to be conservative, I'll just use the average of 2018/2019 for those weeks and re-calculate. That number becomes 2,314,260 (over 38 CDC weeks ending in 2020)

If we were to extrapolate that to a year, we would actually get 3,166,882.

So we can say she's wrong.

However, extrapolating that to a full year isn't the right thing to do. Excess deaths are down to about 500/day (which is also about where CDC-reported deaths/day are) as of 9/12 (too much error in trying to estimate that 9/19 week so I don't use that data in my calculations). If we do not see a second wave, that excess death number will likely continue dropping and could go negative if pull forward deaths (older people that would have died this fall but died this spring) exceed COVID + lockdown related deaths. Lockdown deaths (particularly in patients with alzheimers) continue to climb so it will be interesting to watch. Cancer deaths not showing a strong trend up yet, and in fact are trending a little below average I think.

Point being, too many unknowns from here to take that last 38 weeks and extrapolate those to the next 14. We've had about 275,000 excess deaths through 9/12 by my calculations. That number will continue going up for a while...but could drop a bit if pull forward deaths become significant.




*I used the 52 CDC weeks ending in the year of interest to calculate that year's deaths. It will contain a few days from the previous year, but also doesn't contain a few days at the end of the year, depending on what day of the week Jan 1 falls on.

Great breakdown. Thanks so much.

Take the day off tomorrow and watch some volunteer football!!
 
Are you just completely blind to the truth? Yes, mental health disorders, alcohol abuse, drug overdoses, and suicide have all skyrocketed.

I was just talking to a friend tonight who recently met with an area medical-practice CEO. He was told that every group in their large multispecialty corporation was down as much as 70% this year, other than their behavioral health clinics, which were actually much busier.

It's incredibly sad.
We've had quite a few suicide attempts, not enough sitters to go around.
 
Of course she could have. We all know the officer didn't approach her ready to arrest. We all know the conversation started something like this, "Ma'am everyone is required to wear a mask at this event, could you please put your mask on"? She got offended, embarrassed and showed her ass and it didn't turn out well for her.

Regardless, there is NEVER a time to resist arrest. It's on all of us to deescalate a situation, not just law enforcement. If we disagree (and everyone has that right) work it within the law. Going back again to the beginning, yes we didn't see the situation unfold from the start but the bottom line is resisting arrest is something you should never do.
She has asthma.
 
A couple things....
First of all, why is the FDA publicly stating they’re issuing new guidelines when those guidelines haven’t actually been sent to WH OMB for approval. Seems CNN is actually admitting with that paragraph in bold that the WH can, indeed, overrule those guidelines.

Also from the article....
“Two former FDA commissioners previously told CNN that while they think it's very unlikely that Trump could pressure scientists into authorizing or approving a Covid-19 vaccine, it's possible. The Department of Health and Human Services has in the past overruled the FDA's recommendations on medications.”

Again, the qualifications of fear. It’s in nearly every story about Trump....what he may/might/could/possibly/maybe do.

So then who is actually making people fearful of trusting a vaccine???
I blame Monty. 😊
 
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Hamilton County Health Department explains significant drop in active COVID-19 cases
The number of active COVID-19 cases reported daily on the Hamilton County Health Department website dropped from 1,505 to 603 on Thursday, raising eyebrows across the county and prompting an explanation from department officials.
Officials say the 902-case decrease was the result of several factors, including a downward trend in new reported cases and a "data clean-up" of cases that were no longer active but had failed to automatically roll off the active case list in the standard 14-day period.
I want to believe what you tell me, but you're making it very hard.
 
In chapter 40 of the Covid novel, the new thing at UT and Knox County is the complain people are avoiding testing.

Actually I believe this, because i predicted it. Look at the absurd measures UT and KCDOE set up around positive tests and it was obvious what people would do.
 
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