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0nelilreb said:
Of course it did , and after the election regardless of who wins , we will start seeing the real numbers of what it cost us to do that in these big urban cities . We will all know by the third quarter of next year if locking the country down for a virus that has a 98-99% survival rate was worth it . ( IMO )
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2.3 million dead if you assume 1% fatality rate with 70% of US population infected. Let's do this!

And of course you must realize that life would not go on as usual if 2.3 million of your compatriots are falling like flies.
 
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Mick said:
Idaho pastor, Paul Van Noy, skeptical of masks lands in the ICU for Covid-19 - CNN

A pastor in Idaho who called himself a "no-masker" during a service and repeatedly questioned the veracity of coronavirus case reporting is in the ICU after contracting Covid-19.
Paul Van Noy, senior pastor at Candlelight Church in Coeur d'Alene, has spent two weeks in the hospital with a Covid-19 diagnosis, ministry coordinator Eric Reade confirmed to CNN. Five other church staff were infected with coronavirus, too, but they've all recovered, he said.

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It is what it is....
 
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evillawyer said:
2.3 million dead if you assume 1% fatality rate with 70% of US population infected. Let's do this!

And of course you must realize that life would not go on as usual if 2.3 million of your compatriots are falling like flies.
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Herd Immunity sounds fun, but no one wants that.....Herd Immunity is what happened during the 1918 Flu Pandemic....that turned out horribly.
 
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evillawyer said:
2.3 million dead if you assume 1% fatality rate with 70% of US population infected. Let's do this!

And of course you must realize that life would not go on as usual if 2.3 million of your compatriots are falling like flies.
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It would create lots of opportunities.
 
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evillawyer said:
2.3 million dead if you assume 1% fatality rate with 70% of US population infected. Let's do this!

And of course you must realize that life would not go on as usual if 2.3 million of your compatriots are falling like flies.
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2.3 million dead in the US ? LOL How did we get to this number ?
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
Herd Immunity sounds fun, but no one wants that.....Herd Immunity is what happened during the 1918 Flu Pandemic....that turned out horribly.
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Then we're all screwed, because herd immunity is the only solution. Whether by natural infection or immunization, there's no other way around it. If you believe otherwise, please elaborate.
 
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evillawyer said:
2.3 million dead if you assume 1% fatality rate with 70% of US population infected. Let's do this!

And of course you must realize that life would not go on as usual if 2.3 million of your compatriots are falling like flies.
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Except it isn’t 1% fatality, and your number needs to be offset by the human cost of the shutdown and in context of other things that kill us at higher rates that we don’t seem to care about.

You math is scary, but it is artificially scary with no basis in reality or context.

I ask again - what is the actual point of posting that nonsense?
 
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evillawyer said:
2.3 million dead if you assume 1% fatality rate with 70% of US population infected. Let's do this!

And of course you must realize that life would not go on as usual if 2.3 million of your compatriots are falling like flies.
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That's an absurd assumption by someone bad at math
 
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evillawyer said:
It's almost like social distancing and mask wearing and shutting down large gatherings ... work.
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Actually, no, it has been clearly established for years that cloth or paper masks are useless in preventing influenza transmission. The links have been posted ad nauseum.

You act like this is some important revelation that staying home and avoiding travel prevents people from getting sick. Who the hell has ever argued otherwise? I promise you that if you hunker down and accept no visitors from the outside world, you will not contract a virus. Now, you might starve to death, get evicted, or develop rickets, but those are small prices to pay to avoid a cold virus.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Then we're all screwed, because herd immunity is the only solution. Whether by natural infection or immunization, there's no other way around it. If you believe otherwise, please elaborate.
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A poster did bring up developing a really effective treatment as a possible solution but I'm with you that herd immunity is the "goal".
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Then we're all screwed, because herd immunity is the only solution. Whether by natural infection or immunization, there's no other way around it. If you believe otherwise, please elaborate.
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The reason we are screwed is the fear of heard immunity in a nation of unhealthy people fighting a virus that is just doing what viruses do in nature . I’m not trying to be callous just factual . It’s absurd that we don’t shut down a country , mandate masks or social distance for the flu that effects a wide range of the demographics every year , but will Covid .
 
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Mick said:
A poster did bring up developing a really effective treatment as a possible solution but I'm with you that herd immunity is the "goal".
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That is, obviously, a possible piece of the puzzle, but nothing has shown promise as a "wonder drug," yet.

Steroids have had the most consistent success, but mortality reduction in hospitalized adults has been modest (roughly 20-30% in studies to date).

Remdesivir definitely has antiviral activity against CV19, but it is only marginally effective in reducing mortality. So, it doesn't appear that simply "killing" the virus works.

Convalescent plasma/binding antibody treatment has also shown small and often statistically-insignificant benefit.

A lot of research is being done on IL-6 inhibitors and other immunomodulatory, and this could be where a more beneficial treatment is found, but we are still in infancy stages of these trials.

In my opinion, a single-agent cure is very unlikely, at least anytime in the near future. More likely is that we get better at protocols that include a combination of medications, oxygenation/ventilation strategies, and physical treatments.
 
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This thread would be a lot easier to follow and engage in well-intended discussion if we could move the childish banter somewhere else. Aren't there plenty of opportunities for that elsewhere?
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Then we're all screwed, because herd immunity is the only solution. Whether by natural infection or immunization, there's no other way around it. If you believe otherwise, please elaborate.
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immunization is the best course of action. Achieving herd immunity naturally would decimate the world.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
That is, obviously, a possible piece of the puzzle, but nothing has shown promise as a "wonder drug," yet.

Steroids have had the most consistent success, but mortality reduction in hospitalized adults has been modest (roughly 20-30% in studies to date).

Remdesivir definitely has antiviral activity against CV19, but it is only marginally effective in reducing mortality. So, it doesn't appear that simply "killing" the virus works.

Convalescent plasma/binding antibody treatment has also shown small and often statistically-insignificant benefit.

A lot of research is being done on IL-6 inhibitors and other immunomodulatory, and this could be where a more beneficial treatment is found, but we are still in infancy stages of these trials.

In my opinion, a single-agent cure is very unlikely, at least anytime in the near future. More likely is that we get better at protocols that include a combination of medications, oxygenation/ventilation strategies, and physical treatments.
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What are the implications of the Pittsburgh study? IYO. Get back with me when you have time.
 
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