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Volsfaninva917 said:
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Hmm. I’m glad that hospitalizations are falling, but this doesn’t look right. CDC says peak hospitalizations for this flu season were closer to 6/100k. I wonder what data set he’s using to get this?

To me this looks closer to the cumulative hospitalization rate at the time the peak occurred.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
Mickism
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One could at least chalk up his other questionable posts as ignorant opinion, but this is (presumably) a grown man making a post that ignores what leftists like to call 'settled science'. It's weird to me that people like him that are in the 'party of science' believe in a spectrum of genders and ignore data left and right so their team wins.

Besides, if he's arguing that this virus doesn't display a fundamental reality of all viruses, he's essentially arguing for what he'd likely call the 'vast right wing conspiracy' that this is a man-made virus. A coronavirus is not going to mutate total resistance to UV rays.
 
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Mick said:
Outside and the sun kills the virus - Trump Supporter
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Actually... that is hard science. The virus lasts about 2 minutes in sunlight. Even if that were not true, the shear volume of air would make a viral load significant enough to make someone sick very unlikely outdoors except in very, very dense crowds.
 
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MurphyVol said:
I think Trump has been his own worst enemy with lack of a clear message.

To me there's two basic effective strategies: Senegal or Sweden. I think we could have either done nothing (but demand we protect senior care facilities) or we could have encouraged the Governors to push mask mandates (but not shut down).

At various times Trump has said

It's 5x worse than the flu

It'll disappear

Chastised mask wearing

Call masks wearing Patriotic

Talked down shut-downs

Chastised Ga Gov for not having a longer shut down

Put together a task force and had daily briefings

Discredited his task force

Look, I know the US is different in the fact the have 50 governors to run their individual states, but he's got to have some infulence as the leader of the free world, right?

I think Biden's a boob and I still think there's a 50/50 chance Trump gets reelected but he's had a string of self inflicted wounds throughout the pandemic. Just pick a plan (even if that plan is nothing) and be honest and consistent.
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Don't disagree. Trump tries to play tough but ultimately he's a con man trying to find the right "truthful hyperbole" to get the "deal" he wants. He's been badly outplayed and floundering through Covid. The media has relished in it.

He did get a lot of bad and conflicting... and changing advice. Fauci the media darling has been anything but consistent. The wisest thing Trump did was to stop meeting with him... but he got condemned for that too. He should have publicly fired him outright for the error he made mentioned in the article posted by ButchPlz. That would have been both the right thing to do and the best media play available.

Trump wanted to open back up at Easter. He listened to the experts and didn't. We could have followed a Sweden strategy. That seems to have been what Trump wanted to do... but he let the "experts" and media bully him. He didn't take a strong lead but there would have been a heavy cost. The media would have crucified him.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
They write articles like this shaming Sturgis but they wouldn't dare condem the protest or riots. They're allowing one to be the victim while labeling one the enemy. Look at the demographics of the situation and tell me what they're trying to do.
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Who is they? Do you mean Yahoo? Because they did that article, too. Get a grip

Protests May Have Spread Coronavirus, Some Cities Say

Yahoo did us all a service by including a summary of the methodology of the study, and the methodology is very questionable, whereas the other articles I saw had nothing substantial. I don't think you got the point of my post.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Who is they? Do you mean Yahoo? Because they did that article, too. Get a grip

Protests May Have Spread Coronavirus, Some Cities Say

Yahoo did us all a service by including a summary of the methodology of the study, and the methodology is very questionable, whereas the other articles I saw had nothing substantial. I don't think you got the point of my post.
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It will be the funny if down the road the media narrative turns into "Protests did us a service by spreading the virus among younger crowds and accelerating herd immunity" with ignoring the fact a lot of us have been calling to do that very thing for months now but told we were wanting to kill grandma.
 
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sjt18 said:
Actually... that is hard science. The virus lasts about 2 minutes in sunlight. Even if that were not true, the shear volume of air would make a viral load significant enough to make someone sick very unlikely outdoors except in very, very dense crowds.
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The problem was that they were about to attend a rally indoors, or at least there was one indoor rally in Trump's swing. I am a big advocate of getting a little sun everyday, but sunlight cannot kill the virus in a carrier while they wait in a line to go inside.

I think most of his rallies have been outdoors though, so I agree the outrage has been overblown.

Maybe because Sturgis recently led to so many new cases and people think of that as an outdoor event, people are still confused. Even there, it was indoor transmissions almost certainly that caused the spike in cases.
 
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Rifleman said:
The problem was that they were about to attend a rally indoors, or at least there was one indoor rally in Trump's swing. I am a big advocate of getting a little sun everyday, but sunlight cannot kill the virus in a carrier while they wait in a line to go inside.

I think most of his rallies have been outdoors though, so I agree the outrage has been overblown.

Maybe because Sturgis recently led to so many new cases and people think of that as an outdoor event, people are still confused. Even there, it was indoor transmissions almost certainly that caused the spike in cases.
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Somewhere between 100-170 confirmed cases? Right? The other 250K "possible links" were BS. See SD governor.
 
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Rifleman said:
The problem was that they were about to attend a rally indoors, or at least there was one indoor rally in Trump's swing. I am a big advocate of getting a little sun everyday, but sunlight cannot kill the virus in a carrier while they wait in a line to go inside.
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But that's not the supposed issue solved by "masks" and such. Supposedly masks prevent non-symptomatic people from spreading the virus. There does not appear to be concrete evidence that non-symptomatic people spread the virus... or that masks stop the types of particles they exhale if they do... but our "experts" have declared universal masks the "solution" to a problem... that may not exist.

The infected person in line isn't a threat unless they're sneezing and coughing on people or spend a lot of time up close talking. Depending on the size and air exchange inside the building, they may present a threat to others there. However, they are most dangerous in small space... like a bathroom, hotel room, meeting room, restaurant, office, etc.

I think most of his rallies have been outdoors though, so I agree the outrage has been overblown.

Maybe because Sturgis recently led to so many new cases and people think of that as an outdoor event, people are still confused. Even there, it was indoor transmissions almost certainly that caused the spike in cases.
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How many new cases do you think that rally caused? The early left-wing claims have been pretty much debunked now... though the MSM has become expert at "dropping" false stories rather than correcting them. They know that the false perception is valuable.
 
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rjd970 said:
I'm still expecting this whole fear cycle will be gone, literally overnight, after the election. Especially if Trump isn't re-elected...and to boot...the media and 'bros will completely discount and ignore the sudden change.
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Throughout most of W's term the media treated us to daily body bag counts. It was grim... and a constant central theme. That ended as soon as Obama was elected.

Once we were mocked for saying the media coordinates with the Dems or with each other... then... the "Journolist" was exposed. It is one of the most underreported stories of all time not surprisingly. But it confirmed what "conspiracy theorists" on the "right" had known for years.

Now... they barely even hide it. Only the indoctrinated left and the truly blind believe what the MSM says these days.
 
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sjt18 said:
Throughout most of W's term the media treated us to daily body bag counts. It was grim... and a constant central theme. That ended as soon as Obama was elected.

Once we were mocked for saying the media coordinates with the Dems or with each other... then... the "Journolist" was exposed. It is one of the most underreported stories of all time not surprisingly. But it confirmed what "conspiracy theorists" on the "right" had known for years.

Now... they barely even hide it. Only the indoctrinated left and the truly blind believe what the MSM says these days.
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I wouldn't even say they barely hide it or try to anymore. It's blatant now.
 
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sjt18 said:
But that's not the supposed issue solved by "masks" and such. Supposedly masks prevent non-symptomatic people from spreading the virus. There does not appear to be concrete evidence that non-symptomatic people spread the virus... or that masks stop the types of particles they exhale if they do... but our "experts" have declared universal masks the "solution" to a problem... that may not exist.
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The masks that the typical person wears doesn't stop the particles and it isn't meant to. It is meant to slow down the speed at which it leaves your face. Slow down the speed and you shorten the distance it can travel dramatically. That is the idea.
This whole thing could be beaten into the ground if everyone would just wear a mask and follow some common sense for a few weeks. Stay home whenever possible and use common sense. Problem solved.
 
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superdave1984 said:
The masks that the typical person wears doesn't stop the particles and it isn't meant to. It is meant to slow down the speed at which it leaves your face. Slow down the speed and you shorten the distance it can travel dramatically. That is the idea.
This whole thing could be beaten into the ground if everyone would just wear a mask and follow some common sense for a few weeks. Stay home whenever possible and use common sense. Problem solved.
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"15 days to flatten the curve".
 
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