Later Than Mid-season report card

[Bassmanbruno]

How many of his points do you think have come during such situations? Hazard an honest guess. Seriously, how many of his 10 pts a game are the result of him loafing and just waiting at one end of the court?

He has 0.2 apg less than tyler in 6 less minutes, so let's put that 'loafing' in perspective.

Also many of his open-court layups are the result of the fact that he LEADS the team in steals.

He gets from what I've seen ATLEAST one loafer basket per game and I've seen max about 3... so somewhere around 1.5 baskets a game. Quite a lot considering his point total.

And I've already covered it before - but he also gets several steals from making a boneheaded play and just happens to be in the right place when there is a scramble for the ball - ex. (dont remember the game) but he dove after a pass that would have been impossible to intercept and he was on the floor way away from the play - the guy passes back to the original passer with JP still on the ground... and then passes it back again but the player had jumped the gun and run up the court... leaving the ball to JP whose picking himself up off the floor off of a 4v5 situation.

And how many times has JP either given a backdoor cut or flat out gotten abused off the dribble because he tries to over play the passing lanes so much? So he may make steals - but the way he gets them isn't always the best.

He can be a good player - but it disgusts me some of the plays he gets credit for when he could be giving a lot more effort.

 

[TIGER DEN]

No, I think he is suggesting that it takes someone with limited basketball knowledge to suggest that with the unprecedented first three years under Pearl that he suddenly forgot how to coach and is doing such a terrible job. The problem with this team is that physically, our guards aren't ready to defend the way Bruce likes them too. Scotty, Cameron, and Bobby are all are not physically strong enough to be consistent, adequate defenders at this level.

Great coaches insists that his players , play with pride , heart , and guts . If they're not doing as he LIKES for them too , then they should be on the bench. TN has enough talent imo that they could be a top 15 program if they were made to play every play like it's the last one of the game. Just my :twocents:

 

[westtnvol]

I'll leave the grades to you and the Tennessean. Scotty has been a productive Freshman despite having some glaring weaknesses in his game. I'd put Tatum in the same category, with less upside potential. As for shooting, the guy is hitting 37.6% from 3. That's pretty good, and I'd argue it makes him our best deep threat. While bombing threes should not be the centerpiece of his game (as it sometimes is,) I'll stick by my statement that the guy can shoot it.



No, I think Bruce has run into obstacles--specifically related to youth and inexperience on the perimeter--that he has been unable to overcome. They also made those lofty preseason expectations unjustifiably high.

I will agree with that.

 

[Blood Runs Orange]

How many of his points do you think have come during such situations? Hazard an honest guess. Seriously, how many of his 10 pts a game are the result of him loafing and just waiting at one end of the court?

He has 0.2 apg less than tyler in 6 less minutes, so let's put that 'loafing' in perspective.

Also many of his open-court layups are the result of the fact that he LEADS the team in steals.

I definitely think JP Prince gets an A for leading the team in:

-most times fouling an opponent while they're taking a 3-point shot
-most technical fouls
-most airballed jump shots
-most 3-point shots hitting the side of the backboard
-best jump shooting form on the team (wait...do i mean worst?)
-most personal fouls on the season

 

[flowingaway]

Why didn't you just make a thread slamming Scotty Hopson, isn't that what all this was for?

 

[lidderer]

I definitely think JP Prince gets an A for leading the team in:

-most times fouling an opponent while they're taking a 3-point shot
-most technical fouls
-most airballed jump shots
-most 3-point shots hitting the side of the backboard
-best jump shooting form on the team (wait...do i mean worst?)
-most personal fouls on the season

He certainly doesn't lead in b), and f), and d)+e) are like the exact same thing. So yes, he leads the team with 3 fouls on an opponent's 3pt attempt. OH MY WORD! (that said, he's really gotta stop with those 3s)

also as per the "1.5 'cheap' lazy lay-ins' comment: untrue, and you know this.

The original post gave a fair assumption. Outside of ty and chism I don't see anyone else as having such a markedly better year than JP--which unfortunately isn't saying much.

 

[Bassmanbruno]

He certainly doesn't lead in b), and f), and d)+e) are like the exact same thing. So yes, he leads the team with 3 fouls on an opponent's 3pt attempt. OH MY WORD! (that said, he's really gotta stop with those 3s)

also as per the "1.5 'cheap' lazy lay-ins' comment: untrue, and you know this.

The original post gave a fair assumption. Outside of ty and chism I don't see anyone else as having such a markedly better year than JP--which unfortunately isn't saying much.

How is it untrue? I specifically saw 2 this past freakin' game and you know you saw them two.. holy cow. He just always seems to be the guy who is on the receiving end of the hailmary pass across court with no one near him. Coincidence? I think not.

 

[lidderer]

How is it untrue? I specifically saw 2 this past freakin' game and you know you saw them two.. holy cow. He just always seems to be the guy who is on the receiving end of the hailmary pass across court with no one near him. Coincidence? I think not.

It's untrue in the sense that it doesnt account for a meaningful portion of the season. It's a pair of games, let's not put too much stock in that. Does it happen othertimes? Yes. Do other players benefit from such things as well? Also yes.

Nonetheless, it's a basketball event that doesn't occur like clockwork, and the 2-pt turnaround it affords a team b/c prince happened to be down-court is likely a greater benefit than the times when his laziness gives the opponent a sure-thing fg.

Do I 'like' this aspect of his game? No. But do I think it negates his worth in other areas? Not even close.

 

[Bassmanbruno]

It's untrue in the sense that it doesnt account for a meaningful portion of the season. It's a pair of games, let's not put too much stock in that. Does it happen othertimes? Yes. Do other players benefit from such things as well? Also yes.

Nonetheless, it's a basketball event that doesn't occur like clockwork, and the 2-pt turnaround it affords a team b/c prince happened to be down-court is likely a greater benefit than the times when his laziness gives the opponent a sure-thing fg.

Do I 'like' this aspect of his game? No. But do I think it negates his worth in other areas? Not even close.

I never said the past two games. I said I saw that he got 2 of those just this past game.

It's happened a lot more than a pair of games - you can find me criticizing him for it last season as well as early in this season if you wanted to waste time drifting through posts. This is nothing new I just saw in the past couple of games so it does account for the meaningful portion of the season.

I disagree that its a greater benefit - Tatum and Prince have cost us so many easy baskets/layups/dunks in crucial times this season by either loafing (JP) or going after steals that are next to impossible to get (both).

 

[lidderer]

I never said the past two games. I said I saw that he got 2 of those just this past game.

It's happened a lot more than a pair of games - you can find me criticizing him for it last season as well as early in this season if you wanted to waste time drifting through posts. This is nothing new I just saw in the past couple of games so it does account for the meaningful portion of the season.

I disagree that its a greater benefit - Tatum and Prince have cost us so many easy baskets/layups/dunks in crucial times this season by either loafing (JP) or going after steals that are next to impossible to get (both).

I'm not saying it is without precedent--surely he's done this throughout his entire career...just as like every other player has on occasion. Does he do it, perhaps, 'more'? Sure. Are we really criticizing him MAKING a basket and using that as a tool to downgrade him? It appears so.

I get your point: you don't think his 62% 2 pt shooting is perfectly accurate b/c he gets some 'easy' buckets(if we really wanted to we could probably go through every bucket by every player and find bunches of these).

Let's assume that JP Prince, though, is the only player on the team who has ever scored any easy bucket. Let's also say, to be generous, he gets 1 such basket for every game they've played this year. That's 22 'easy' buckets erased. What would he then be shooting? 54.5%. Where would that rank on the team? 2nd.

 

[Bassmanbruno]

I'm not saying it is without precedent--surely he's done this throughout his entire career...just as like every other player has on occasion. Does he do it, perhaps, 'more'? Sure. Are we really criticizing him MAKING a basket and using that as a tool to downgrade him? It appears so.

I get your point: you don't think his 62% 2 pt shooting is perfectly accurate b/c he gets some 'easy' buckets(if we really wanted to we could probably go through every bucket by every player and find bunches of these).

Let's assume that JP Prince, though, is the only player on the team who has ever scored any easy bucket. Let's also say, to be generous, he gets 1 such basket for every game they've played this year. That's 22 'easy' buckets erased. What would he then be shooting? 54.5%. Where would that rank on the team? 2nd.

JP is good (well a lot better than he was about his shot selection) - most of his shots are at the rim I would bet around 85% or so - I'd expect him to have one of the higher 2pt%s.

If more players took that approach on our team we wouldn't have to worry about that a cruddy offense. But I can hardly ever give JP credit just because the way he plays his game a lot of the time and his showboating. Now - when he dishes out 8 assists, has 9 boards, and several blocks - I gladly give him props for those games - that's how he should be playing, he makes the team a ton better with that stat line.