Last year, Butch called bad timeouts...

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Butch's timeouts last year came at the worst times. I will never forget the one he called when it was 4th and 6 and Florida was kicking a field goal then Florida decided during the time out to go for it and makes it to score a TD.

Watch for Butch Jones' timeouts today to see if he learned from those mistakes.
 
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Much has been made of that timeout but clearly Butch thought they would run a fake and he didn't think they had the right personnel or alignment to defend it. The fact Florida ditched FG formation during the timeout neither confirms or denies what they intended to do. We can only guess. Personally, I think Butch was right. Florida would have run a fake and probably made it, anyway.

Now, having said that... a mistake has been made if you ever have to call a timeout on special teams. In this case, the mistake was not being prepared for the fake from the start.
 
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I'm unsure why any coach would have called a time out in that scenerio....

My heart supports Butch longterm my gut doesn't. That's never a good thing for me.

Kinda like what Booger McFarland says when he says he can't trust Butch Jones.
 
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The timeout wasn't the dumbest thing he did in my opinion.

They shut down to that ultra conservative bs offense and were still running the hurry up offense with it with a 14 point lead in the fourth quarter which makes abolsutely no sense.

I think they did this In the Oklahoma game too if I recall correctly.
 
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If you read Bobby Knight's book "The Power of Negative Thinking," he talked about how he would rarely call time outs because his players were already coached and knew what to do.

The most famous example was not calling one before bringing the ball up the court for Keith Smart's game winning shot. The team already knew what to do, so there was no point in calling a time out and giving Syracuse a chance to reset their D.

In contrast, Butch has to call time outs because they're not prepared. Not only did the time out before the FG blow up in his face, the time out before a punt did also. Florida came out of the time out with their offense and Butch wasn't prepared for that either. He doesn't get his teams ready for the next play, let alone a whole ball game!
 
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madbamahater said:
I'm unsure why any coach would have called a time out in that scenerio....

My heart supports Butch longterm my gut doesn't. That's never a good thing for me.

Kinda like what Booger McFarland says when he says he can't trust Butch Jones.
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The decision to kick an extra point with the score 26-14 in the 4th quarter is much harder to explain and the explanation that he did give about the points chart should bother Vol fans much more than that timeout. Butch has a lot prove. No doubt.
 
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I've said it a bunch on here so what not say it again. He just ain't the sharpest tool in the shed. He's a hardworking likable guy and that's it. He's so similar to Les miles it's not even funny.
 
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madbamahater said:
I'm unsure why any coach would have called a time out in that scenerio....

My heart supports Butch longterm my gut doesn't. That's never a good thing for me.

Kinda like what Booger McFarland says when he says he can't trust Butch Jones.
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My gut will feel much better if we beat Florida today. If not, then that's another strike against him. IMO, this should be the easier game to win of the 4 coming up.
 
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photovol said:
Recruiting and coach speak is Butch Jones forte, not game day coaching unfortunately.......
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I'm starting to question recruiting just a little due to our lack of depth at MLB and Offensive Tackle.

He can recruit the heck out of guards though.
 
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Got to be careful weaving decisions into a narrative after the fact.

*He called timeout because he felt like he was stuck in a bad defense. Everybody does it. Florida just had a good brick up their butts last year on 4th down.

*Plenty of coaches opt to not chase points and only go for 2 when it's very late or necessary. Plus, this is not PlayStation. The 2 point try is a 50/50 proposition.

What IS on him is his team's inability to grind out first downs late and put the game on ice. It cost us last year against Oklahoma and Florida and gave UGA and SC a shot.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The decision to kick an extra point with the score 26-14 in the 4th quarter is much harder to explain and the explanation that he did give about the points chart should bother Vol fans much more than that timeout. Butch has a lot prove. No doubt.
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by Jones. It's simply not likely that a team, down 12/13/14 points is going to score a TD and kick 2 FGs. They need TDs, and they will go for TDs. He should have gone for two points--bad mistake.

Also, Jones and DeBord went conservative and stopped trying to score with a 13-point lead. You can't do that. Any coach with a brain knows that you are vulnerable with 6- or 13-point leads--and when you are on the road at florida, you are especially vulnerable.

Everything he did late in the game was conservative. Small balls.
 
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GAVol said:
Got to be careful weaving decisions into a narrative after the fact.

*He called timeout because he felt like he was stuck in a bad defense. Everybody does it. Florida just had a good brick up their butts last year on 4th down.

*Plenty of coaches opt to not chase points and only go for 2 when it's very late or necessary.

What IS on him is his team's inability to grind out first downs late and put the game on ice. It cost us last year against Oklahoma and Florida and gave UGA and SC a shot.
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Good points.:good!:
 
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GAVol said:
Got to be careful weaving decisions into a narrative after the fact.

*He called timeout because he felt like he was stuck in a bad defense. Everybody does it. Florida just had a good brick up their butts last year on 4th down.

*Plenty of coaches opt to not chase points and only go for 2 when it's very late or necessary.

What IS on him is his team's inability to grind out first downs late and put the game on ice. It cost us last year against Oklahoma and Florida and gave UGA and SC a shot.
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Actually I was cussing when he called the timeout not after the fact. Just bringing it up again.

Hell, what do I know though. It may have been a fake field goal that was on the field. Just hope they coach a flawless game today.
 
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GAVol said:
Got to be careful weaving decisions into a narrative after the fact.

*He called timeout because he felt like he was stuck in a bad defense. Everybody does it. Florida just had a good brick up their butts last year on 4th down.

*Plenty of coaches opt to not chase points and only go for 2 when it's very late or necessary. Plus, this is not PlayStation. The 2 point try is a 50/50 proposition.

What IS on him is his team's inability to grind out first downs late and put the game on ice. It cost us last year against Oklahoma and Florida and gave UGA and SC a shot.
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What do you consider late? It was in the 4th quarter. The odds of Florida scoring 2 TD's were better than them scoring 1 TD and kicking 2 field goals. I doubt they would have even attempted a field goal. Also, say we go for two and don't make it? Is the difference between a 12 point lead and a 13 point lead significant at that stage of the game? I would say that there wasn't much risk in going for 2 at all.
 
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I Love Lamp said:
The timeout wasn't the dumbest thing he did in my opinion.

They shut down to that ultra conservative bs offense and were still running the hurry up offense with it with a 14 point lead in the fourth quarter which makes abolsutely no sense.

I think they did this In the Oklahoma game too if I recall correctly.
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Yes they did. They went very conservative and set on the leads.....in a hurry up offense lol. Can't make it up smh
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The decision to kick an extra point with the score 26-14 in the 4th quarter is much harder to explain and the explanation that he did give about the points chart should bother Vol fans much more than that timeout. Butch has a lot prove. No doubt.
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OK so have you ever read a chart and you accidentally read a column up or down from the one you're supposed to read? I'm convinced that's what happened....since it says go for 1 all around it :loco:
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
What do you consider late? It was in the 4th quarter. The odds of Florida scoring 2 TD's were better than them scoring 1 TD and kicking 2 field goals. I doubt they would have even attempted a field goal. Also, say we go for two and don't make it? Is the difference between a 12 point lead and a 13 point lead significant at that stage of the game? I would say that there wasn't much risk in going for 2 at all.
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Your point is valid. All I'm saying is a lot of coaches don't "chase points" with the lead until they have to. Nobody is really wrong on this one IMO. There were about 5 things we could have done that would have made that decision insignificant.
 
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chattavol420 said:
I've said it a bunch on here so what not say it again. He just ain't the sharpest tool in the shed. He's a hardworking likable guy and that's it. He's so similar to Les miles it's not even funny.
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He's like Les Miles without the wins
 
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