Large Hadron Collider

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rwemyss said:
If you believe the theory of relativity (which I do) it would take an infinite amount of energy to accelerate a particle of any mass to or beyond the speed of light... In other words, I don't believe it is possible. Other similar test rigs to the LHC regularly accelerate particles to about 99% the speed of light, but due to relativity (IMO) have been unable to go beyond that.
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I also agree. The speed of light (C) is infinite and I have no proof otherwise. Of course, that could be wrong. Hell, they could be going any speed with the protons and still only reach 99.99% C.
 
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#27
I've watched 2 of 3 shows of a series called "Atom" on Discovery Science... it comes on Sunday nights. Some really interesting stuff. You'd definitely enjoy it.

I wish I had DVR'd them...
 
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VOLatile said:
I also agree. The speed of light (C) is infinite and I have no proof otherwise. Of course, that could be wrong. Hell, they could be going any speed with the protons and still only reach 99.99% C.
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the speed of light is not infinite.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
the speed of light is not infinite.
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How is it not? (Theory) As an object approaches the speed of light, the speed of light increases proportionate to the speed of the object. Therefore, no matter how fast an object is going, there will always be light in front of that object.
 
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VOLatile said:
How is it not? (Theory) As an object approaches the speed of light, the speed of light increases proportionate to the speed of the object. Therefore, no matter how fast an object is going, there will always be light in front of that object.
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Keyword is in parenthesis.
 
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VOLatile said:
How is it not? (Theory) As an object approaches the speed of light, the speed of light increases proportionate to the speed of the object. Therefore, no matter how fast an object is going, there will always be light in front of that object.
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then this theory blows holes in what all these folks are saying about seeing events today that happened billions of years ago. If light speed were infinite, this would be impossible.

I don't buy that there will always be light in front of light.

Objects approching the speed of light have nothing to do with c. C isn't about objects moving at C.

Finally, the whole mass x C squared equality gets a bit hosed if c is theoretically infinite.
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VOLatile said:
They're looking for a particle called the Higgs-boson Particle, or "God particle." They theorize that this particle is what set the Big Bang into motion. If this is true and it does exist, then "God" is a particle and not the conventional sense of god. This particle is what gives matter mass and is the only elementary particle unobserved.
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i'm not here to impose my own interpreations on anyone, but as far as i can tell, most christians don't believe that god is an old white guy that sits up in the clouds and that he created the earth in 7 days "human time."
 
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Most atheists that disdain religion have simply replaced it with faith in science they don't even understand. VOLatile, you have already demonstrated not a lack of belief in religion but rather a disdaine for it, a lack of understanding of the Big Bang Theory (and yet faith in it,) and an absence of knowledge about quantum physics and the idea that there is no beginning/end, but rather a loop of events (closed circuit.) Otherwise, you come down to the problem of "what came first, what was here first," etc.

The truth is you are as faith-based as a snake-handler in your beliefs. It is just centered on particles and physics instead of a big guy with a long white beard and sandals.

If you believe there is no divine being, how can you disprove him? The absence of evidence does not constitute proof in science. That is why science and religion will always be seperate philosophical entities.
 
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milohimself said:
Lighten up, guys...
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I want that shirt.

IPorange said:
Most atheists that disdain religion have simply replaced it with faith in science they don't even understand. VOLatile, you have already demonstrated not a lack of belief in religion but rather a disdaine for it, a lack of understanding of the Big Bang Theory (and yet faith in it,) and an absence of knowledge about quantum physics and the idea that there is no beginning/end, but rather a loop of events (closed circuit.) Otherwise, you come down to the problem of "what came first, what was here first," etc.

The truth is you are as faith-based as a snake-handler in your beliefs. It is just centered on particles and physics instead of a big guy with a long white beard and sandals.

If you believe there is no divine being, how can you disprove him? The absence of evidence does not constitute proof in science. That is why science and religion will always be seperate philosophical entities.
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I understand the Big Bang Theory loud and clear. Intense energy was generated, boom, hydrogen and helium were created from that heat, and then over time more elements came from H and He. They are the foundations for life. Elements 1 and 2. I know it's more complicated than that and that there are many more theories than that.

What originally drew me away from religion was evolution. I'm a huge fan of Darwin. The fact that most Christians overlook evolution and downplay it is despicable. With so much scientific evidence, how is it possible to overlook it?

I used to be a "follower," blindly following the church like so many others still do. Thankfully I met a teacher in high school that opened my eyes to the wonderful world of science.

*I created this thread to discuss the LHC and what people think will happen. NOT to put my beliefs on trial.
 
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I saw the very objective nature in the very opening when you said it could prove standard religion wrong with a little yay.
 
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VOLatile said:
What originally drew me away from religion was evolution. I'm a huge fan of Darwin. The fact that most Christians overlook evolution and downplay it is despicable. With so much scientific evidence, how is it possible to overlook it?

I used to be a "follower," blindly following the church like so many others still do. Thankfully I met a teacher in high school that opened my eyes to the wonderful world of science.

*I created this thread to discuss the LHC and what people think will happen. NOT to put my beliefs on trial.
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Just because many try to ignore evolutionary theory as not being part of God's plan, doesn't mean that God doesn't exist.

Let me put it this way... you're going out on a much flimsier limb to say that the complexities of the human mind and body were created by chance over intelligent design. That's a heck of a leap of faith IMO.
 
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rwemyss said:
Just because many try to ignore evolutionary theory as not being part of God's plan, doesn't mean that God doesn't exist.

Let me put it this way... you're going out on a much flimsier limb to say that the complexities of the human mind and body were created by chance over intelligent design. That's a heck of a leap of faith IMO.
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wanted to say essentially the same, but it's apparently a waste of breath.

Also wanted to ask about the origin of the enormous energy concentration, but why bother?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
wanted to say essentially the same, but it's apparently a waste of breath.

Also wanted to ask about the origin of the enormous energy concentration, but why bother?
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I don't claim to understand everything about science but 0+0=0.

I believe that evolution and religion can coexist. Remember that the prevailing sentiment of God is that he is beyond comprehension. If they do find this "particle" maybe it just means we are a little closer to understanding what God is, not disproving him or religion of any kind for that matter.
 
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Religion and science can co-exist, but only as separate spheres of thought. Think about it: science is empirically measuring and define the sensible world around us, through reproducable means. Religion is about faith, i.e. accepting higher powers and things beyond our understanding or comprehension... Those are two different paths of thought. It makes perfect sense that they seem to crash heads sometimes. The thing is, there will always be that scientific data that is just beyond our reach, even as we push forward with new knowledge and discoveries. Therefore, there will always be a place for religion because there will always be the unknown, unexplained, and uncomprehended, even if what that is changes as time goes on.

Both science and religion is hard-wired in to the human brain, even if manifests itself in very different ways. We are dependent on those two different types of ways of understanding and interacting with the world in order to survive (be it due to a creator or designer, or due to that being the survival strategy our species has developed as our brains expanded, or both, depends on what path of thought you choose to adhere to.)
 
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rwemyss said:
Just because many try to ignore evolutionary theory as not being part of God's plan, doesn't mean that God doesn't exist.

Let me put it this way... you're going out on a much flimsier limb to say that the complexities of the human mind and body were created by chance over intelligent design. That's a heck of a leap of faith IMO.
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Well said, Remus.
 
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