Large Hadron Collider

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The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) has been all over the news lately, spawning debates about black holes, Armageddon, religion, economics, and, of course, science. This 17-mile long tunnel will soon have protons reaching 99.99% the speed of light (C), then crash into each other. $6 billion have gone into this project and 2500 scientists from 37 countries have worked to build it.

I'm very interested in this project and have been for years. I hate all of the negative press about it. If the theories are proven right, then this could have the chance to prove standard religion wrong (yay!). Visit the following links and videos for more information, it's very interesting.

The LHC Will Revolutionize Physics. Can it Revolutionize the Internet Too? | Universe Today

Brian Cox on CERN's supercollider | Video on TED.com

Large Hadron Collider - LHC Livecam -

Thoughts?
 
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volinbham said:
This is why you are excited about it?
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No, not entirely. I'm excited about it because this would undoubtedly open new gates to technologies and even more questions to be answered. Proving conventional religion wrong is just an "appetizer," per se. The possibilities are endless.

govols182 said:
Seems like a waste of 6 billion dollars to me.
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That's a popular reaction. Why do you say this?
 
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VOLatile said:
No, not entirely. I'm excited about it because this would undoubtedly open new gates to technologies and even more questions to be answered. Proving conventional religion wrong is just an "appetizer," per se. The possibilities are endless.
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Even evidence supporting the Big Bang doesn't prove religion wrong. It undermines specific beliefs of some religious people wrong but it doesn't disprove a creator.
 
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volinbham said:
Even evidence supporting the Big Bang doesn't prove religion wrong. It undermines specific beliefs of some religious people wrong but it doesn't disprove a creator.
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The Bible states that God created life in 7 days. Everyone knows the story of Genesis. If the Big Bang happened, it happened all of a sudden. Time, space, life (single celled) all came about in a matter of "seconds." I quote because time was created as everything else was, so there could be no measure of time at that instance.

Life from Adam's rib... this would definitely disprove this, if anyone truly believes it literally anyways.

Also, if there is a creator, where is he/she and how did they create the universe? The Big Bang theory is the most logical and provable theory. No one can prove God, we can disprove the belief, though.

How wouldn't this disprove conventional religion (Christianity, Judaism, Islam)?
 
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1. The Hadron can establish that some of the tenets of the theory Big Bang have empirical evidence but not that the Universe started this way.

2. Even the religions you mentioned have ways of viewing the creation that are not destroyed by the Big Bang.

In short, it will not disprove religion (the big 3). For many that seek to do so, it has already been disproven. For many that are religious, it will never be disproven. The Hadron will not change that.
 
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VOLatile said:
The Bible states that God created life in 7 days. Everyone knows the story of Genesis. If the Big Bang happened, it happened all of a sudden. Time, space, life (single celled) all came about in a matter of "seconds." I quote because time was created as everything else was, so there could be no measure of time at that instance.

Life from Adam's rib... this would definitely disprove this, if anyone truly believes it literally anyways.

Also, if there is a creator, where is he/she and how did they create the universe? The Big Bang theory is the most logical and provable theory. No one can prove God, we can disprove the belief, though.

How wouldn't this disprove conventional religion (Christianity, Judaism, Islam)?
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Ever heard of St Thomas Aquinas? He has 5 conclusions for the existence of God.

The Unmoved Mover: Something had to set the world in motion. Even if it was a "big bang" something would have had to set the particles in motion for them to collide or whatever supposedly caused it. Think of it like dominoes. Theoretically speaking of course, if I set up dominoes in a line and knock one over I started the series of chain reactions. The same can be said with the universe. Something had to be there to set everything into motion.

There are four others that go along with that.
 
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govols182 said:
Ever heard of St Thomas Aquinas? He has 5 conclusions for the existence of God.

The Unmoved Mover: Something had to set the world in motion. Even if it was a "big bang" something would have had to set the particles in motion for them to collide or whatever supposedly caused it. Think of it like dominoes. Theoretically speaking of course, if I set up dominoes in a line and knock one over I started the series of chain reactions. The same can be said with the universe. Something had to be there to set everything into motion.

There are four others that go along with that.
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They're looking for a particle called the Higgs-boson Particle, or "God particle." They theorize that this particle is what set the Big Bang into motion. If this is true and it does exist, then "God" is a particle and not the conventional sense of god. This particle is what gives matter mass and is the only elementary particle unobserved.
 
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And in the unlikely event a black hole is created and the earth is destroyed I guess the scientists will just shrug and say oops, sorry! I'd like them to slow the hell down and do some responsible research into how it could happen and what needs to be done to ensure it doesn't before Bill Nye gets the ok to yell Torpedo..Los!
 
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VOLatile said:
They're looking for a particle called the Higgs-boson Particle, or "God particle." They theorize that this particle is what set the Big Bang into motion. If this is true and it does exist, then "God" is a particle and not the conventional sense of god. This particle is what gives matter mass and is the only elementary particle unobserved.
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So the idea that a Creator exists, and the Higgs-Boson is just one of the many tools at that Creator's disposal is proven false?

As a side, Hawking doesn't think the H-B will be found using the LHC.

Hawking bets CERN mega-machine won't find 'God's Particle' - Yahoo! News
 
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VOLatile said:
They're looking for a particle called the Higgs-boson Particle, or "God particle." They theorize that this particle is what set the Big Bang into motion. If this is true and it does exist, then "God" is a particle and not the conventional sense of god. This particle is what gives matter mass and is the only elementary particle unobserved.
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My point is that this finding will not disprove God and thus not be the end of the Big 3 religions.
 
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dan4vols said:
And in the unlikely event a black hole is created and the earth is destroyed I guess the scientists will just shrug and say oops, sorry! I'd like them to slow the hell down and do some responsible research into how it could happen and what needs to be done to ensure it doesn't before Bill Nye gets the ok to yell Torpedo..Los!
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The Black Hole theory is media created. They've been doing these collisions on smaller scales for a while around the world. There's an LEP here in Illinois and the LHC replaced and LEP at CERN.
 
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volinbham said:
My point is that this finding will not disprove God and thus not be the end of the Big 3 religions.
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There will never be an end to religion. People are going to be stuck in their ways and believe the bible no matter what. If anything, this will disprove god as the Bible tells it. That god is not human form, rather as single sub-atomic particle and he doesn't control the universe.
 
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VOLatile said:
There will never be an end to religion. People are going to be stuck in their ways and believe the bible no matter what. If anything, this will disprove god as the Bible tells it. That god is not human form, rather as single sub-atomic particle and he doesn't control the universe.
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I don't see your theorem holding up to scientific scrutiny. Just because a particle exists, does NOT prove that it wasn't created by God.

Many people, myself included do NOT take Genesis literally, and I think that people who do are a bit antiquated. The creationist story of Genesis still fits scientific truth if you look at it metaphorically.
 
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VOLatile said:
There will never be an end to religion. People are going to be stuck in their ways and believe the bible no matter what. If anything, this will disprove god as the Bible tells it. That god is not human form, rather as single sub-atomic particle and he doesn't control the universe.
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Are you familiar with the concept of metaphor and parable?
 
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I want to get away from the religion aspect of this conversation for a while, I didn't intend it to go there (but felt compelled to rile some of you southerners up).

Anyone else believe that this will cause the world to end? Personally, I doubt there is enough energy to cause something like that.

Also, does anyone have any theories as to what might happen if an object breaks the speed of light? My theories are that (a) it's impossible and (b) if it is possible, everything will cease to exist. Anyone know anything about string theory and multiple universes?

(I love theoretical physics, if you haven't noticed.)
 
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My dyslexia kicked in, I swore this thread title said "Large Hardon Collider". Thought it was some freaky stuff going on in here.
 
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VOLatile said:
I want to get away from the religion aspect of this conversation for a while, I didn't intend it to go there (but felt compelled to rile some of you southerners up).

Anyone else believe that this will cause the world to end? Personally, I doubt there is enough energy to cause something like that.

Also, does anyone have any theories as to what might happen if an object breaks the speed of light? My theories are that (a) it's impossible and (b) if it is possible, everything will cease to exist. Anyone know anything about string theory and multiple universes?

(I love theoretical physics, if you haven't noticed.)
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No, the world (or universe wont end) even if a black hole were to appear it wouldn't last long enough or have the apparent size to do anything. Even if it did it would pass through the earth.

as for theories, physics is still in its infancy, so I wouldn't rule something out. Superstring theory is probably a way around subluminal velocity.
 
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If you believe the theory of relativity (which I do) it would take an infinite amount of energy to accelerate a particle of any mass to or beyond the speed of light... In other words, I don't believe it is possible. Other similar test rigs to the LHC regularly accelerate particles to about 99% the speed of light, but due to relativity (IMO) have been unable to go beyond that.
 
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