Lane supporters, GITT

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secking said:
i have one question, you do realize that the reason tn is where it is today is because of kiffin, right? No kiffin, no dooley and no butch. He is the reason tn is under .500 since lane stepped foot on campus.

Don’t blame hart, dooley, butch, hamilton, or currie.

One man caused this. He’s not been anywhere longer than 3 years and has been fired at every job, in 3 or less years.

Are you mad today? And you want to start the next decade the same way this one started? You sure?
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you are just too old!
 
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Also, to further my point on Hambone, Fulmer was given a very small amount of cash to replace Cut. Hence the hire of Dave Clawson.... Good coach for smart kids... We might could have put together a lego house back then. Kiffin, was able to use the virtually the same talent, and win 7 games because he simplified things and used his talent instead of his scheme to win ballgames.
 
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secking said:
There is no Dooley or Butch to hire if there never was a Kiffin. Understand now, no?

Those two are Not here without Kiffin putting those wheels in motion.
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Kiffin told Hamilton straight up he would leave for USC. He was honest and kept his word. If you can possibly remove emotion from your assessment, you will realize he is a good coach. He over achieves and wins big games everywhere he goes. Yes even here. When you disagree with one person it could be either party in the wrong. When 3 pages of responses disagree with you, odds are you’re the one in the wrong.
 
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secking said:
There is no Dooley or Butch to hire if there never was a Kiffin. Understand now, no?

Those two are Not here without Kiffin putting those wheels in motion.
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exactly. it was a bad hire. they gambled, and got burnt.

there should have never been a kiffin hire to begin with.
 
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And saying that hiring Kiffin caused all this is the same as saying that firing Fulmer caused all this. So essentially you think Fulmer shouldn’t have been fired????
 
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secking said:
I have one question, you do realize that the reason Tn is where it is today is because of Kiffin, right? No Kiffin, no Dooley and no Butch. HE is the reason Tn is under .500 since Lane stepped foot on campus.

Don’t blame Hart, Dooley, Butch, Hamilton, or Currie.

One man caused this. He’s not been anywhere longer than 3 years and has been fired at every job, in 3 or less years.

Are you mad today? And you want to start the next decade the same way this one started? You sure?
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Kiffin did not hire Dooley or Jones. Get your logic straight or GTFO.
 
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jakez4ut said:
exactly. it was a bad hire. they gambled, and got burnt.

there should have never been a kiffin hire to begin with.
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So...skip Kiffin and go straight for Dooley then?

Ok....

It was a successful hire that was too short lived. That’s all
 
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secking said:
I have one question, you do realize that the reason Tn is where it is today is because of Kiffin, right? No Kiffin, no Dooley and no Butch. HE is the reason Tn is under .500 since Lane stepped foot on campus.

Don’t blame Hart, Dooley, Butch, Hamilton, or Currie.

One man caused this. He’s not been anywhere longer than 3 years and has been fired at every job, in 3 or less years.

Are you mad today? And you want to start the next decade the same way this one started? You sure?
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Lane is the reason FAU is where it is this weekend.
 
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smokey90 said:
Kiffin has not succeed anywhere. That is why he is at FAU. He has his "dream job" for what three years. How did that work out? Not much of a dream. Al Davis said it and it happened. Kiffin destroyed the program. Fulmer was in the SECCG the year before he was fired. That is not a downward spiral. That is as good as it has been, and Sumlin sure has not been in the SECCG.
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It's pretty unfair to blame Kiffin for not being successful while USC while going through what is described as "the NCAA’s most devastating sanctions short of a death penalty."
 
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anthorain said:
So...skip Kiffin and go straight for Dooley then?

Ok....

It was a successful hire that was too short lived. That’s all
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it was an unsuccesful hire because it was so short lived.

i'd have to go back and see who was actually available, who we talked to etc...after the 2008 season to say one way or the other.

but it's really moot. you have a whole host of decisions being made around that time, all of which could be picked apart now.

the only thing i'm saying is...no one thought hiring 2009 Lane Kiffin was going to be a 100% success. it was a real gamble at the time, and many questioned the hire, for good reason. many supported it, for good reason.

we keep looking at this from the stand point of it being his fault...what if he had stayed? what if he wound up being uber successful? or wound up sucking out loud?

the only things you get to deal in though are the knowns. and we know he left. yes, that is his fault for leaving.

but you don't just absolve the people that made the decision to bring him here, and put us in the position for that to happen.

there's zero doubt he was a wild card hire back then. we got the short end of the stick, therefore, you can say it was a terrible decision to hire him...a whole lot of "i told you so" back then.

you wanna blame him for the catastrophe that has been left in the wake of his midnight departure, fine with me.

it still doesn't change the fact that they same type of decision that put him here in 2009 are still the same types of decisions being made today.
 
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Wolfeman_Vol said:
Actually it started when Phil got complacent, stopped recruiting, hired Clawson, and started looking bad on a national stage. Then Mike Hamilton wrote the worst contract of all time, and panicked and hired Derek Dooley after that. Kiffin didn't destroy this program. Cut leaving and Clawson being hired did.
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all true, only observation I would make is that if Fulmer had named Trooper Taylor OC instead of Clawson he may have been able to survive. Pure speculation but just my .02
 
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jakez4ut said:
i'd have to go back and see who was actually available, who we talked to etc...after the 2008 season to say one way or the other.

but it's really moot. you have a whole host of decisions being made around that time, all of which could be picked apart now.

the only thing i'm saying is...no one thought hiriging 2009 Lane Kiffin was going to be a 100% success. it was a real gamble at the time, and many questioned the hire, for good reason. many supported it, for good reason.

we keep looking at this from the stand point of it being his fault...what if he had stayed? what if he wound up being uber successful? or wound up sucking out loud?

the only things you get to deal in though are the knowns. and we know he left. yes, that is his fault for leaving.

but you don't just absolve the people that made the decision to bring him here, and put us in the position for that to happen.

there's zero doubt he was a wild card hire back then. we got the short end of the stick, therefore, you can say it was a terrible decision to hire him...a whole lot of "i told you so" back then.

you wanna blame him for the catastrophe that has been left in the wake of his midnight departure, fine with me.

it still doesn't change the fact that they same type of decision that put him here in 2009 are still the same types of decisions being made today.
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I don’t really blame him for much of anything. He did a good job despite not really showing he deserved it based on his raiders record. Then he evolved from there on and now is a great offensive mind.

However the impulsiveness of the staff that still exists today, I most definitely agree with you on. And you are right, we don’t need to gamble this time for a coach. We need an experienced candidate. I am indifferent on Lane Kiffin. But he is more qualified now than he was in 2009.
 
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dbr25 said:
Actually, not having a big buyout on Kiffin was the mistake, not Kiffin himself. Second, panicking and hiring Dooley so quick to try and save a few recruits was the biggest mistake. Should have slowed down and made a solid hire instead of panicking.
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Like we're doing now? Lol
 
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Jravol78 said:
all true, only observation I would make is that if Fulmer had named Trooper Taylor OC instead of Clawson he may have been able to survive. Pure speculation but just my .02
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True, but seeing how things turned out at Auburn with him maybe a good thing he never wielded quite so much power here.
 
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secking said:
I have one question, you do realize that the reason Tn is where it is today is because of Kiffin, right? No Kiffin, no Dooley and no Butch. HE is the reason Tn is under .500 since Lane stepped foot on campus.

Don’t blame Hart, Dooley, Butch, Hamilton, or Currie.

One man caused this. He’s not been anywhere longer than 3 years and has been fired at every job, in 3 or less years.

Are you mad today? And you want to start the next decade the same way this one started? You sure?
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So wrong it's pathetic. So many coaches go out there and turn programs around in less than three years. UT is in year eight after Kiffin and it's still a dumpster fire. The one common thread in the last eight years is Haslam is still in control and we have the worst AD in college sports. Even Currie was a reject from K State. There was nobody there trying to hang on to him. UT did them a favor taking that bozo from them and paying his dumbazz more.:crazy::banghead2::banghead2:
 
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