Lane Kiffin (Head football coach of the University of Tennessee)

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Fine.. I can either believe an anonymous poster on an internet site, or take this guy's view on Kiffin. Others here are free to choose how they see fit.

Carroll on Lane Kiffin
Former USC co-offensive and recruiting coordinator and recently-fired Oakland Raiders coach Lane Kiffin is thought to be a possible candidate to fill the Washington Huskies' coaching vacancy.

At least, he has has expressed interest.

Kiffin's former boss, USC coach Pete Carroll said this when asked about attributes that could make Kiffin a good college head coach: "I think there's a whole list of them."

"He's been brought up on football. As a young guy, he was a student coach in college, so he's been around it forever. So, he's way ahead of his years. He is an excellent off mind. He's got philosophy behind him, a system behind him that has worked for him."

Carroll continued, "He's been in the most difficult coaching situation ever (at Oakland), so if he gets the chance, whether it's in college football or the NFL, he's grown a tremendous amount for how old he is. I think he'll be a very successful guy for a long, long time. He brings with the recruiting that he was in charge of here and set the momentum for us, that and the whole offense, which is always good. "
 
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VOLnMiami said:
Was taken off wikopedia..I didn't clean it up so it was a little rough...I see you enjoy pointing out pointless things like that...Enjoy!
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you do realize that those little blurbs means that someone just put that in there with no source to back it up, right?
 
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VOLnMiami said:
Was taken off wikopedia..I didn't clean it up so it was a little rough...I see you enjoy pointing out pointless things like that...Enjoy!
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Just pointed out that all you posted was someone else's opinion. I did the same, but provided a source.

See the difference?
 
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VOLnMiami said:
Despite all the teams achievements, Kiffin's work with the Trojans over his two-year period as offensive coordinator is sometimes harshly judged for what it did not accomplish – win national championships – as compared to the previous two seasons in 2003 and 2004.[original research?][citation needed] Furthermore offensive play-calling responsibilities for USC were shared during this period with QB coach Steve Sarkisian having on-the-field approval for Kiffin’s suggestions and head coach Pete Carroll maintaining veto power. Lack of clarity and final say over play calling responsibility has left some controversy over how much decision making power Kiffin wielded versus Sarkisian and Carroll during his two-year tenure as offensive coordinator.[original research?][citation needed]

After an upset loss to the UCLA Bruins to close the 2006 season, eliminating USC from the 2006 BCS title game, there were reports in the news media that previous coordinator Norm Chow publicly criticized the young coordinator along with quarterbacks coach Steve Sarkisian. He was interviewed by the Orange County Register.
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wow.

yesterday, i have to go thru someone wanting Leach and his offense spouting off about that offense while at KY and it's 7-4 record where it amassed a staunch 25 ppg against the 4 best teams in the SEC. I was laughed at when i pointed out that this averages was almost a full 2 touch downs less than the season average.

today, i have another Leach supporter putting Wiki pages up as evidence as to why Kiffin shoudln't be the coach.

the guy was the Offensive Cooridnator. I would hardly classify his play calls as "suggestions". as for not winning national titles, you are correct, but please refresh my memory, did or didn't USC those two years go to the Rose Bowl as conf. champs?

and, further, when you look at the entire season, that MBA was kind enough to post for us, USC did in fact average more than 35 points per game, over the entire season. all they did was average 49 points per game.

i guess some of those "suggetions" turned out pretty good.

now i'm not going to tell you that Kiffin is this or that.......but i'm just tired of all the politicking going on for and against the guy you think should or shouldn't be the coach. i will say though you can't one day prop up a 38 ppg ave at KY with a 7-4 reocrd and the next poo poo a 49 ppg game average of a BCS conf. champion.

none of you know for sure. and posting stuff like this is just ridiculous.

Kiffin may turn out to be a complete bust, but it won't have one darn thing to do with what happened at USC 4 years ago.

all it does is establish what was accomplished.

and if reading a wiki page about the guy is what convinces you, then your opinion shouldn't matter anyway.
 
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jakez4ut said:
wow.

yesterday, i have to go thru someone wanting Leach and his offense spouting off about that offense while at KY and it's 7-4 record where it amassed a staunch 25 ppg against the 4 best teams in the SEC. I was laughed at when i pointed out that this averages was almost a full 2 touch downs less than the season average.

today, i have another Leach supporter putting Wiki pages up as evidence as to why Kiffin shoudln't be the coach.

the guy was the Offensive Cooridnator. I would hardly classify his play calls as "suggestions". as for not winning national titles, you are correct, but please refresh my memory, did or didn't USC those two years go to the Rose Bowl as conf. champs?

and, further, when you look at the entire season, that MBA was kind enough to post fur us, USC did in fact average more than 35 points per game, over the entire season. all they did was average 49 points per game.

i guess some of those "suggetions" turned out pretty good.

now i'm not going to tell you that Kiffin is this or that.......but i'm just tired of all the politicking going on for and against the guy you think should or shouldn't be the coach.

none of you know for sure. and posting stuff like this is just ridiculous.

Kiffin may turn out to be a complete bust, but it won't have one darn thing to do with what happened at USC 4 years ago.

all it does is establish what was accomplished.

and if reading a wiki page about the guy is what convinces you, then your opinion shouldn't matter anyway.
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Dayam.
 
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VOLnMiami said:
Despite all the teams achievements, Kiffin's work with the Trojans over his two-year period as offensive coordinator is sometimes harshly judged for what it did not accomplish – win national championships – as compared to the previous two seasons in 2003 and 2004.[original research?][citation needed] Furthermore offensive play-calling responsibilities for USC were shared during this period with QB coach Steve Sarkisian having on-the-field approval for Kiffin’s suggestions and head coach Pete Carroll maintaining veto power. Lack of clarity and final say over play calling responsibility has left some controversy over how much decision making power Kiffin wielded versus Sarkisian and Carroll during his two-year tenure as offensive coordinator.[original research?][citation needed]

After an upset loss to the UCLA Bruins to close the 2006 season, eliminating USC from the 2006 BCS title game, there were reports in the news media that previous coordinator Norm Chow publicly criticized the young coordinator along with quarterbacks coach Steve Sarkisian. He was interviewed by the Orange County Register.
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Nice of you to cherry pick the statements and leave off this that follows directly after:

Other sources however point out that Chow's comments were taken out of context in this regard and did not reflect his intended meaning. These reports indicate the following conversation ensued over the airwaves.

“ Host: Coach, here back in Los Angeles, USC, a couple of your proteges in Lane Kiffin and Steve Sarkisian, taking over as offensive coordinators for the Trojans, they've uh, taken a lot of heat, and Joe mentioned especially after the UCLA game. Any thoughts on those two guys and the job they've done since you left? Norm Chow Reply: Nah, you know I don't get a chance to follow much, you know we're so busy doing what we're doing, um, you know LenDale keeps me informed of all that but I really don't, don't know. You know I know DeWayne Walker maybe better than both of those guys and DeWayne's a heck of a football coach and that's why it wasn't too surprising when DeWayne did what he did with UCLA.[3]
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You don't have an agenda huh?
 
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Bright future

Even with bitter ending to his first head coaching job, Kiffin’s future seems more promising now than before

By Ben Malcolmson
USCRipsIt
PeteCarroll.com


Tuesday marked the end of Lane Kiffin’s tenure as the head coach of the Oakland Raiders.

But it also signaled the fresh beginning of the rest of his bright career.

The Raiders on Tuesday fired Kiffin after 20 games as their head coach, ending a tumultuous relationship between the former USC assistant and Oakland ownership. If anything, though, it’s an escape from Alcatraz for Kiffin and a chance to get a revitalizing restart on his promising head coaching career.

“As difficult as this situation was for him, Lane’s better for it,” Coach Pete Carroll said. “His future is extraordinarily bright and he’s a tremendous candidate for a team looking for a quality head coach.”

Kiffin, 33, leaves Oakland with a record of 5-15 in his first-ever head coaching position. When hired in February 2007, he was the youngest head coach to take the reins of an NFL team.

Oakland ownership appeared to sour on the coaching prodigy following Kiffin’s first season, with rumors swirling that he would be fired during the off-season. Kiffin battled through constant questions about his termination and led a highly competitive Raider team onto the field for the first four games of 2008, tallying a 1-3 record that included two heartbreakingly close losses.

“Lane stood strong through the whole ordeal,” said Carroll, who has frequently spoken with Kiffin since he left USC 18 months ago. “He went out running down the high road.”

Though the record doesn’t show, Kiffin’s Raiders showed marked signs of improvement in all facets of the game. Oakland took leads into the fourth quarter in 11 of Kiffin’s 20 games as head coach. Seven of the 15 losses in Kiffin’s tenure were by a touchdown or less.

Sound familiar?

In Carroll’s first 17 games at USC, the Trojans went 9-8, with all but one of those losses by seven points or less.

“He was definitely making progress there,” Carroll said of Kiffin and the Raiders. “They were tougher, more physical, ran the ball better and the defense was vastly improved in Lane’s time there. It’s unfortunate he didn’t get the chance to finish what he started.”

USC administrative assistant Al Dorsey spent 17 days as an intern with the Raiders coaching staff during training camp in July, getting to witness Kiffin coach the team from the inside. Dorsey said he admired the way Kiffin led the Raiders.

“Lane was upbeat and positive,” Dorsey said. “He motivated the players and it felt like a USC practice. His style was very similar to Coach Carroll’s.”

Kiffin carried with him to Oakland many of the lessons he learned in his six seasons at USC, where he coached the tight ends, wide receivers and eventually the entire offense as coordinator for two years.

The offensive strategy, the high-energy attitude, the coachspeak, the playing catch with players and even the “I’m In” sign were all USC staples that Kiffin transported to the Raiders.

He also took hope and eternal optimism with him to the Raiders.

“You have to find the positives, find what to build on, always look for what to improve,” Kiffin told USCRipsIt in November 2007. “We’re changing a culture, and that’s not easy to do. Eventually we’re going to win a lot of games.”

Kiffin didn’t get an opportunity to finish what he started in Oakland. But neither did Mike Shanahan, whose head coaching start strangely mirrors Kiffin’s.

Shanahan was fired by the Raiders four games into his second season in 1989. He eventually became head coach of the Denver Broncos in 1995 and has compiled a 133-79 record in the 13-plus seasons since. He’s been to the playoffs seven times and won two Super Bowls with Denver.

Only time will tell if Kiffin’s career can continue to mimic Shanahan’s. But with his experience in Oakland, Kiffin already appears to be on the upswing.

“Lane will never go through a more challenging job than what he just had,” Carroll said. “He’s going to learn a lot from it and become a great head football coach down the road.”


• Ben Malcolmson is the Director of Online Media for USCRipsIt/PeteCarroll.com. You can contact him at Ben@PeteCarroll.com.

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orange+white=heaven said:
Steam pressure release valves serve a necessary purpose. Now enjoy your Thanksgiving my friend...
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i will, and thanks.

and i'm really not trying to get worked up. i've purposely stayed out of most of these threads, up until this week anyway, for this very reason.

coaching seraches bring out the whackiness in all of us. rational thought and logic go out the window, to the point where your more concerned about simply being right than looking around to find out FOR YOURSELVES (not directed at you personally OWH...they know who they are.....) what is and isn't worthy information.

Obviously, i think some of this less than worthy.:p

anyway.......i've come to the point now where i firmly believe it's down to Kelly or Kiffin.

and i'm good either way.

I hope all of you have a wonderful Thanksgiving.:peace2:
 
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jakez4ut said:
I hope all of you have a wonderful Thanksgiving.:peace2:
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I agree. This is going to work out great for UT with any of the names it seems to be coming down to.

Happy Thanksgiving, Jake!


And... you too, VolinMiami, but lay off the stuffing, if you don't mind.:)
 
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jakez4ut said:
i will, and thanks.

and i'm really not trying to get worked up. i've purposely stayed out of most of these threads, up until this week anyway, for this very reason.

coaching seraches bring out the whackiness in all of us. rational thought and logic go out the window, to the point where your more concerned about simply being right than looking around to find out FOR YOURSELVES (not directed at you personally OWH...they know who they are.....) what is and isn't worthy information.

Obviously, i think some of this less than worthy.:p

anyway.......i've come to the point now where i firmly believe it's down to Kelly or Kiffin.

and i'm good either way.

I hope all of you have a wonderful Thanksgiving.:peace2:
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I absolutely agree. Kiffin and Kelly are my tops on the wish list (not that my opinion matters) and I'm really looking forward to a change of pace. I knew I could always trust your judgement from the day I saw the Newcastle avatar.
 
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orange+white=heaven said:
When the conversation migrates as heavily toward one favorite as this one has toward Lane, the odds of someone else getting the nod go way down.

Tuesday I think.
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it would certainly seem that way, but i've seen these things turn on a dime before. though the rumor mill today does seem a bit different.

i'm inclined to agree that an announcement is not that far off.
 
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utmba93 said:
I agree. This is going to work out great for UT with any of the names it seems to be coming down to.

Happy Thanksgiving, Jake!


And... you too, VolinMiami, but lay off the stuffing, if you don't mind.:)
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you too.:hi:
 
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9296potsguy said:
I absolutely agree. Kiffin and Kelly are my tops on the wish list (not that my opinion matters) and I'm really looking forward to a change of pace. I knew I could always trust your judgement from the day I saw the Newcastle avatar.
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i get infinitely smarter after about 4 or 10 Newcastles. :p
 
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9296potsguy said:
Hmmm....I've had that feeling too. I think I'm going to do some reseach later today with those 3 sixers my beer man left me. I'll need it before I visit the in-laws tomorrow.
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a visit to the cabinet above the microwave might be better...save the newcastle for birthdays coming up in december
 
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As a UT Alumni, and a diehard Raider fan I think I can give you a better idea of what to expect. It is worth noting that I haven't missed a Raider game in over 8 years.

HC Capability-
Very god motivator, players play at a higher level and respect him

Play Calling-
Mediocre, doesn't open it up that often and lacks big play capability. This could be attributed to the zone blocking scheme that was ran in OAK, which relies too much on the running game to win games

Attitude-
Poor, too often he acted very immature when he didn't get his way. He was a major proponent of the tampa 2 in OAK. He tried it, and failed miserably. Need proof, look no further than the opening week against Denver, he ran that against Al's wishes.

Bash me all you want, but I know the Raiders. My opinion is he will be a good head coach at TN, as long as he has absolute authority, and gets the assistants he wants. One final note of caution, this guy can't be trusted.

Plenty more insight available if your interested, otherwise go back to drinking you're Kiffin Kool-Aid
 
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Jake, Im in total agreement, I dont think Tennessee can lose with either Kelly or Kiffin. I will say that it would not surprise me if ND jumped out there and fired Weis just to get Kelly before us.
 
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TNRaider said:
As a UT Alumni, and a diehard Raider fan I think I can give you a better idea of what to expect. It is worth noting that I haven't missed a Raider game in over 8 years.

HC Capability-
Very god motivator, players play at a higher level and respect him

Play Calling-
Mediocre, doesn't open it up that often and lacks big play capability. This could be attributed to the zone blocking scheme that was ran in OAK, which relies too much on the running game to win games

Attitude-
Poor, too often he acted very immature when he didn't get his way. He was a major proponent of the tampa 2 in OAK. He tried it, and failed miserably. Need proof, look no further than the opening week against Denver, he ran that against Al's wishes.

Bash me all you want, but I know the Raiders. My opinion is he will be a good head coach at TN, as long as he has absolute authority, and gets the assistants he wants. One final note of caution, this guy can't be trusted.

Plenty more insight available if your interested, otherwise go back to drinking you're Kiffin Kool-Aid
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Of course he would have absolute control as a college coach, and it is odd that you would say that guy can't be trusted being a Raider fan...hmmmm
 
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I40VOL said:
a visit to the cabinet above the microwave might be better...save the newcastle for birthdays coming up in december
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I wouldn't wish that 151 on anyone.

As for TNRaider, thanks for the post. I know you probably will get bashed but I appreciate the insight being a slight Raiders fan as they just don't get any air time here in Tennessee and it's just so much easier to follow the Titans. If they hadn't moved from Houston I would follow the Raiders more but I just can't get into the NFL like I used to.
 
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