Lane Kiffin and The Raiders

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I was looking at the Raiders schedule today and noticed something I hadn't seen discussed before. If someone has already done this analysis, then I apologize. Lane coached 4 games for the Raiders in 2008. Fortunately, for the sake of comparison, 3 of those games were against AFC West competition. This means that the Raiders played these opponents twice. Once under Lane Kiffin and once under Tom Cable. It's important to remember that Jamarcus Russell had only really played significant minutes in two NFL games prior to the 2008 season. So, one would probably assume that he still had a lot of improving to do at the start of the '08 season, while Lane was calling his plays. Anyway, here's how the Raiders did against the Chargers, Broncos, and Chiefs and Kiffin and Cable.

Kiffin's averages
Points per game: 17.7
Passing ypg: 162
Rushing ypg: 174
Total ypg: 336

Cable's averages
Points per game: 12.3
Passing ypg: 133.7
Rushing ypg: 117
Total ypg: 250.7
 
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UT IE 95 said:
So your analysis proves a bad team got worse?
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Well. Quite a few people have argued that Kiffin's success as USC was a fluke and that Norm Chow, an large talent advantage, and a variety of other factors made Kiffin look better than he was. However, he left the Raiders in the hands of Tom Cable and Ted Tollner. Both those guys have a ton of experience in the NFL, as offensive coordinators, and as college head coaches. Cable, as a matter of fact, was the offensive coordinator for those powerful UCLA offenses in 2004 and 2005. He was also the offensive coordinator at Colorado when they were 14th in the nation in total offense in 1999. Now, you'd think if Kiffin wasn't a pretty good playcaller that Raiders offense wouldn't drop off a whole lot when left in the hands of these two guys.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Has he ever explained the reasoning behind the 76 yd field goal attempt?
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"We gave him a chance," said Kiffin, who had Janikowski attempt (and miss) a 64-yard field goal in the same northern direction at the Coliseum last season. "There's really nothing bad that can happen."

Here's a quote from him regarding the kick. The line about there's nothing bad that can happen isn't true of course since it's returnable. But when I watched the video the players were obviously aware it was returnable because they were moving downfield after the kick.
 
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kptvol said:
Well. Quite a few people have argued that Kiffin's success as USC was a fluke and that Norm Chow, an large talent advantage, and a variety of other factors made Kiffin look better than he was. However, he left the Raiders in the hands of Tom Cable and Ted Tollner. Both those guys have a ton of experience in the NFL, as offensive coordinators, and as college head coaches. Cable, as a matter of fact, was the offensive coordinator for those powerful UCLA offenses in 2004 and 2005. He was also the offensive coordinator at Colorado when they were 14th in the nation in total offense in 1999. Now, you'd think if Kiffin wasn't a pretty good playcaller that Raiders offense wouldn't drop off a whole lot when left in the hands of these two guys.
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He had alot more advantages at USC than Chow..
Like 3 heisman winners in 4 years
 
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Reaching. Not a statistically significant sample. I am sure if we looked, we could find equally negative stats for the same games.
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lawgator1 said:
Reaching. Not a statistically significant sample. I am sure if we looked, we could find equally negative stats for the same games.
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Feel free to look. 3 of Kiffin's 4 games saw an offensive output of over 300 yards. Cable got that much in 5 of his 12 games.
 
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kptvol said:
Feel free to look. 3 of Kiffin's 4 games saw an offensive output of over 300 yards. Cable got that much in 5 of his 12 games.
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What do you think we'll average after the year

I'm hoping it's above 35 points a game
 
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vol_in_il said:
What do you think we'll average after the year

I'm hoping it's above 35 points a game
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We only averaged 17ppg last year. I think expected 2 more TDs and a field goal per game is a little too optimistic. I mean, we only scored one touchdown against NIU and Wyoming. Most of the SEC's second teams could have outdone that. I think we'll be able to execute much, much better this year, so we'll score a ton more against those crappy teams due to our talent advantage. I'm not sure how things will go in the SEC. I'd be my life savings we don't average 35ppg. Florida is the only SEC team that managed to do that last season.
 
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I think '07 with Cut we averaged 32 so I'm throwing out last year with Clawful.

With this staff they would only need another FG a game to break 35 a game for the season..

When I looked this up the total differences are striking from '07 to '08

- '07 Points scored-455, Points allowed 382
- '08 Points scored - 208, Points allowed 201

Our defense was awesome last year
 
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vol_in_il said:
What do you think we'll average after the year

I'm hoping it's above 35 points a game
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I'm going to say we are going to go 6-9 points more this year than last....If we average between 28-33 a game we will be in Atlanta or at least in the hunt...Not to say with 23-26 points a game we would win a few more games with a little hard nosed defense we could but I agree with kpt, 17 more points a game would be a little too optimistic, that's not to say it can't/won't happen but I'd be surprised if it did
 
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The only argument someone has against this is that the team was under a new playbook. We saw how the did with the clawfense. I am being the devils advocate here. I think the raiders actually showed some improvements under Kiffin. The team he inherited was horrible, and the raiders seemed to start to show some competitiveness as they kept going. I say the O will be better this year, but we can still greatly improve.
 
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Al Davis always had his finger in the pie. I'm sure when Kiffin took the job, he never knew to what degree Davis was a Meddler. His being new to HC'ing made the situation even worse. Al Davis was such a micro-manager that it would unnerve any coach. I don't doubt that, to some degree he showed Davis that he really didn't care for that, and this is probably where all of this "Bad-Mouthing" the program and "lying" came from.
Before the season began, the split was already in effect..Davis was just trying to figure out how to cheat Kiffin out of his contract. You can't have locker room cohesion when you have this huge rift between the coaches themselves (Rob Ryan, the DC, was Davis' guy...Kiffin couldn't fire him, and he served as Davis' inside snitch) and the ownership. If Davis would have let Kiffin do his thang', CLK would still be with the Raiders...no doubt. I watched a few games, and they were a very, very dangerous team...especially when McFadden was healthy. In fact, they were extremely close to being on the winning side...nearly beat Buffalo (when Buffalo was really hot early in the season), and San Diego...had them on the ropes til the 4th QTR.

CLK's going to prove to be a very good coach...just wait.
 
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vol_in_il said:
I think '07 with Cut we averaged 32 so I'm throwing out last year with Clawful.

With this staff they would only need another FG a game to break 35 a game for the season..

When I looked this up the total differences are striking from '07 to '08

- '07 Points scored-455, Points allowed 382
- '08 Points scored - 208, Points allowed 201

Our defense was awesome last year
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Not really. Every slightly better than terrible offense they faced pretty much did whatever they wanted. Thankfully, NIU, Wyoming, Auburn, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, UAB, and Mississippi State were also on the schedule to make it look better than it was.
 
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"Every slightly better than terrible offense they faced pretty much did whatever they wanted."

Really? So, despite great field position, UF scored one of their lowest scoring totals all year against UT. Florida's 3.8 yards per carry were their 3rd lowest all season and that 8-for-15 for 96 yards passing was one of Tebow's all-time passing lows. Georgia, with Moreno, averaged 3.3 yards per carry, their 3 lowest in the regular season, and couldn't put up TDs all day, despite a woeful UT offense. Those were the 2 best offenses we faced, and they both struggled despite easy field position all day.
 
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