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I hope I'm wrong but just got this sick feeling that this is about to be another Nebraska scenario. Looks like Tennessee may wind up losing a lot of their 2009 recruits plus being unable to attract any coach from their "A" list. If UT has to choose a coach from a 2nd tier list then this program is in for tough times for years to come and may never get back to an elite status.
 
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Most or many or the guys on Hamilton's list would probably be taking a step up career wise, so I'll agree, but I doubt many of the names floating around out there would turn down the UT job.
 
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We're screwed.

UT is never going to be able to get a big name coach...we probably won't even get a man....we'll end up having to settle for some washed up, over-the-hill, female softball coach. Wait and see.
 
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The OC search seemed to last forever last year. I'd like to see this one resolved a bit more swiftly.

If the intent is to keep the fanbase from being divided, try not to take so much time in letting everyone support different candidates. Make the choice... and move on.

If the replacement wasn't/isn't already known, then I'm not sure how pulling Fulmer out kicking and screaming made much sense. That could have been done at the end of the season. The Lloyd Carr model included a cooperative coach and that's why it made sense to announce it earlier.

Let's get on with this, Ham.
 
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Look at the trend of the program over the past decade. What did those great recruiting classes do for us other than give us false hope. We would not have attained "elite" status again with Fulmer at the helm. Hypothetically insert Fulmer into your list of candidates for the job. Judging from recent records, could you include him into your "A" list? I didn't think so.
 
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It's going to be a little hard if the coach we are after is in season right now. Especially if it is Mike Leach, who is in the hunt for a National Championship. It's going to take a little time, but I trust that solid decision will be made.
 
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what what said:
It's going to be a little hard if the coach we are after is in season right now. Especially if it is Mike Leach, who is in the hunt for a National Championship. It's going to take a little time, but I trust that solid decision will be made.
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That's the point. If the 'coach we are after' is in the middle of his season, then why have a press conference that drags a well-liked, by many, coach kicking and screaming off the field?

Is that good marketing?
 
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To get the word out that we need a coach earlier instead of later. Lets recruits think about it so they have time to adjust and it also gets the word out to those who may be interested in the job before they start thinking about other openings.
 
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what what said:
To get the word out that we need a coach earlier instead of later. Lets recruits think about it so they have time to adjust and it also gets the word out to those who may be interested in the job before they start thinking about other openings.
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1) Getting the 'word out' that one of the most storied and successful college football programs is looking for a new head coach to a what is inevitably a handful of qualified and available candidates does not require much effort. The lists are short. Call them.

2) What advantage does it give the program to give recruits time to leave it? That point makes sense if we didn't have a good recruiting class. When you have a great class, you need the 'new coach' to reassure them that they have a place at UT.
 
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utmba93 said:
That's the point. If the 'coach we are after' is in the middle of his season, then why have a press conference that drags a well-liked, by many, coach kicking and screaming off the field?

Is that good marketing?
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Probably to prevent that well-liked coach from ending his career in a chorus of boo's and criticism and demands for his removal, rather than cheers and best wishes for what he accomplished.
 
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Bottom line...

Either

(1) Hamilton already knows who is after and that the new coach is highly likely to accept, or

(2) Hamilton doesn't know who he wants and the person who needed time to adjust was CPF and not the recruits. If he told Fulmer he was done and gave him 24 hours to absorb that and do a press conference... that's a little quick. Would two or three days or doing this during a meaningless bye week to get through denial have been enough?
 
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utmba93 said:
1) Getting the 'word out' that one of the most storied and successful college football programs is looking for a new head coach to a what is inevitably a handful of qualified and available candidates does not require much effort. The lists are short. Call them.

2) What advantage does it give the program to give recruits time to leave it? That point makes sense if we didn't have a good recruiting class. When you have a great class, you need the 'new coach' to reassure them that they have a place at UT.
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1.) if you have a coach that hasn't been fired yet, it's hard to get a new coach to come in. the job needs to be open.

2.) if a recruit is going to leave, let them leave early rather than wait to the last minute. it gives us time to get recruits that want to come to the school rather than the ones attached to the coach.

I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying, i'm just trying to offer my perspective.
 
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billbattle said:
Probably to prevent that well-liked coach from ending his career in a chorus of boo's and criticism and demands for his removal, rather than cheers and best wishes for what he accomplished.
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i agree. i'm excited to go to the kentucky game now.
 
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what what said:
1.) if you have a coach that hasn't been fired yet, it's hard to get a new coach to come in. the job needs to be open.

2.) if a recruit is going to leave, let them leave early rather than wait to the last minute. it gives us time to get recruits that want to come to the school rather than the ones attached to the coach.

I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying, i'm just trying to offer my perspective.
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Your point # (1) too obvious and irrelevant to the timing issue.

Your second point is bogus for UT football. There are some in-state recruits and a few like Berry who are orange-bleeding athletes, but to the type of recruits we need, the coach they will play for matters. And, they start to bleed orange later.
 
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what what said:
Okay.
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Come on... what what, you can't just simply agree. Where's the fun in that?

It must be against the VN rules.

Actually, I suspect (and hope) that Hamilton has a well-thought out plan and we're all just stuck with waiting to see it unfold.
 
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I doubt that Hamilton has a plan or a list that he himself made. We can just hope that whoever gives him his ideals knows what they are doing.
 
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utmba93 said:
Come on... what what, you can't just simply agree. Where's the fun in that?

It must be against the VN rules.

Actually, I suspect (and hope) that Hamilton has a well-thought out plan and we're all just stuck with waiting to see it unfold.
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I suspect he has a plan as well. As for the timing, I just don't think anybody wanted this dragged on. I feel like the decision was made weeks for Fulmer not to return, so instead of waiting, they just decided now was the time. It gives everybody a chance to adjust to the idea of Fulmer not being back next season and appreciate what Fulmer has done for UT in his career here.
 
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givensme said:
I doubt that Hamilton has a plan or a list that he himself made. We can just hope that whoever gives him his ideals knows what they are doing.
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Man... that's a little scary. It is MH's job and delegating this one seems a bit extreme. He might delegate some research stuff, but man, there is no more of an important decision than this one for an AD at UT.
 
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Look for Greg Hudson to get serious consideration as our next DC.
 
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givensme said:
I doubt that Hamilton has a plan or a list that he himself made. We can just hope that whoever gives him his ideals knows what they are doing.
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Not true. Hamilton did this without the support of the major boosters. I realize it wasn't his decision only, but to act like he is a bumbling idiot with no ideas as to the direction he's going with the new coach is insane. He had a list of prospective coaches well before he even made the decision to get rid of Fulmer. He's said publicly that he has a list of prospective coaches for every position at UT.
 
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I would hope that if the decision has been made for weeks to "retire" Fulmer that they have already found out who would be interested or not. We need to hold nothing back and not settle for a coach but actually go get the one that we want without taking NO for an answer. I think we settled for an OC last year instead offering the one we wanted what they wanted.
 
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rexvol said:
Look for Greg Hudson to get serious consideration as our next DC.
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Rex, you're a man often 'in the know.' That's an interesting post.

Are you suggesting he'd work for the same HC if he took such a position at UT?
 
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