Lady Vols Recruiting Info

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Did Olivia Nelson-Ododa drop us from her list? If not we should be working to get that young Lady. Quite a talent. You'd think that me being 24 I would know how to work this forum. Oh well. Sorry folks.
 
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stllvf said:
volfan35 years "she has nice elevation like chamique did" - you named the difference that Holdsclaw had that - hang time. She went up with such timing and released at the top, middle or almost back on the floor - depending on the defense. Never observed that quality in a female player since. perhaps there might be another .
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There is a way to improve hang-time. It can be taught.
DD, Maya, Chamique all have this facet in their game.

I watched MJ for his glory years and began to see why he seemingly walked on air...He started his finishing move as late in his flight as he possibly could. His opponents were often landing when he released his attempt. . . The way to teach this is simple. (As everything is in basketball)... I instruct my girls to swing the ball across their body (in front of their belly) on their liftoff. ..,This forces them to finish the layup later in their flight. ..As time goes on they learn to do what DD does , using this newfound air time to adjust a shot or change your mind on a shot, while in flight.

We saw DD do this and oohed and awwed.
It's just coaching.
She was coached to do that.
 
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Watch EDD sometime during a Mystics game. I swear, she hangs on every shot inside the arc, particularly in the paint, in a crowd. Of course, she is shooting jump shots from beyond the arc.
 
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Coach Jumper said:
There is a way to improve hang-time. It can be taught.
DD, Maya, Chamique all have this facet in their game.

I watched MJ for his glory years and began to see why he seemingly walked on air...He started his finishing move as late in his flight as he possibly could. His opponents were often landing when he released his attempt. . . The way to teach this is simple. (As everything is in basketball)... I instruct my girls to swing the ball across their body (in front of their belly) on their liftoff. ..,This forces them to finish the layup later in their flight. ..As time goes on they learn to do what DD does , using this newfound air time to adjust a shot or change your mind on a shot, while in flight.

We saw DD do this and oohed and awwed.
It's just coaching.
She was coached to do that.
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Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you are saying, but you haven't mentioned the real criteria that governs hang time. There is only a single factors that determine hang time - the force (initial velocity) with which you propel yourself off the ground. Once your feet leave the ground, you begin to fall back to earth. That's Newtons law, and even Michael Jordan follows it.

Michael may have a longer hang time than others, but it's only because he is stronger and thus can jump with more force to a higher height. So, to coach hang time, the only answer is to teach players to jump with greater velocity. Holding the ball in a different position has no impact on hang time. If you disagree, I'd like to hear your rationale.
 
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Besti said:
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you are saying, but you haven't mentioned the real criteria that governs hang time. There is only a single factors that determine hang time - the force (initial velocity) with which you propel yourself off the ground. Once your feet leave the ground, you begin to fall back to earth. That's Newtons law, and even Michael Jordan follows it.

Michael may have a longer hang time than others, but it's only because he is stronger and thus can jump with more force to a higher height. So, to coach hang time, the only answer is to teach players to jump with greater velocity. Holding the ball in a different position has no impact on hang time. If you disagree, I'd like to hear your rationale.
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He's talking about the illusion of hang time. Say we both do a running scoop shot jumping at the same time, jump to the same height, and our feet are off the floor the same amount of time. If I release my shot at the peak of my jump and you wait a couple of fractions of a second later to release yours, it will seem like you "floated" in the air longer than I did since you shot after I did and your hang time will seem better. He's saying players can be taught to wait that extra fraction of time which can be an advantage.
 
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Besti said:
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you are saying, but you haven't mentioned the real criteria that governs hang time. There is only a single factors that determine hang time - the force (initial velocity) with which you propel yourself off the ground. Once your feet leave the ground, you begin to fall back to earth. That's Newtons law, and even Michael Jordan follows it.

Michael may have a longer hang time than others, but it's only because he is stronger and thus can jump with more force to a higher height. So, to coach hang time, the only answer is to teach players to jump with greater velocity. Holding the ball in a different position has no impact on hang time. If you disagree, I'd like to hear your rationale.
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Not "Holding the ball in a different position"...but, "sweeping the ball across your low body (belly) ( just like a ball swing)...only you have to start the swing at liftoff... after you leave off of your plant foot.
It is a good way to get a little air under my players.

Of course velocity, speed and technique plays a hand in verticality. There is no arguing that
 
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xanamanax said:
He's talking about the illusion of hang time. Say we both do a running scoop shot jumping at the same time, jump to the same height, and our feet are off the floor the same amount of time. If I release my shot at the peak of my jump and you wait a couple of fractions of a second later to release yours, it will seem like you "floated" in the air longer than I did since you shot after I did and your hang time will seem better. He's saying players can be taught to wait that extra fraction of time which can be an advantage.
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xanamanax said:
He's talking about the illusion of hang time. Say we both do a running scoop shot jumping at the same time, jump to the same height, and our feet are off the floor the same amount of time. If I release my shot at the peak of my jump and you wait a couple of fractions of a second later to release yours, it will seem like you "floated" in the air longer than I did since you shot after I did and your hang time will seem better. He's saying players can be taught to wait that extra fraction of time which can be an advantage.
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I see what you're saying. I was thrown off when he said, "His opponents were often landing when he released his attempt." I took that to mean he was in the air longer. I now see he was speaking of utilizing hang time more efficiently, even though he said " There is a way to improve hang-time." The hang time itself isn't improved.
 
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Coach Jumper said:
Not "Holding the ball in a different position"...but, "sweeping the ball across your low body (belly) ( just like a ball swing)...only you have to start the swing at liftoff... after you leave off of your plant foot.
It is a good way to get a little air under my players.

Of course velocity, speed and technique plays a hand in verticality. There is no arguing that
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As I wrote above, I now understand what you were trying to say.

I agree if you swing the ball down as you jump, you'd gain a bit of velocity. But, as you move your hands back up, you lose velocity, so it evens out. I also wonder if moving the ball as you suggest shortens hang time because you are not positioned efficiently to jump.

Michael Jordan and probably Diamond, have the ability to jump with more force than the average person, thereby increasing their hang time enough to enable the delayed moves. The average person might have a hang time of .5 seconds, whereas Michael's hang time is almost 1 second. When you're back on the ground in half a second, you don't have much time to delay your shot. So, I still say learning or training to jump with faster initial velocity is the key to utilizing air time, not swinging the ball.
 
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Recruiting is kind of slow and I am bored, so where do you think these recruits will go:

Williams Uconn
Ododa South Carolina
De Costa Tennessee, hopefully
N. Smith Will she stay in Texas or go to UConn or South Carolina?
Grayson Not sure, but we could always use another guard

Queen Egbo 6-3 from texas
Madison Williams 5-10 wing from texas
Morgan Jones 6-2 guard from Georgia
 
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mike099 said:
Recruiting is kind of slow and I am bored, so where do you think these recruits will go:

Williams Uconn
Ododa South Carolina
De Costa Tennessee, hopefully
N. Smith Will she stay in Texas or go to UConn or South Carolina?
Grayson Not sure, but we could always use another guard

Queen Egbo 6-3 from texas
Madison Williams 5-10 wing from texas
Morgan Jones 6-2 guard from Georgia
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My take;

Williams Uconn
Ododa South Carolina
DeCosta Cal
N. Smith South Carolina
Grayson Maryland
Egbo Baylor
Madison Williams Texas A&M
Morgan Jones Tennessee

I think our Vols land Gabby Crawford and Morgan Jones to go along with Massengil and MiMi Collins. I think we are out of the running for Williams and Ododa. I think DeCosta likes us a lot but I think she stays home. Grayson also stays home. Maryland brought in Lewis but lost Sloccum and stand to lose a couple more guards after next season so she would have a lot of time to play.

I wonder who else are we interested in outside of the names listed? Any has an updated list.
 
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mlindsay said:
My take;

Williams Uconn
Ododa South Carolina
DeCosta Cal
N. Smith South Carolina
Grayson Maryland
Egbo Baylor
Madison Williams Texas A&M
Morgan Jones Tennessee

I think our Vols land Gabby Crawford and Morgan Jones to go along with Massengil and MiMi Collins. I think we are out of the running for Williams and Ododa. I think DeCosta likes us a lot but I think she stays home. Grayson also stays home. Maryland brought in Lewis but lost Sloccum and stand to lose a couple more guards after next season so she would have a lot of time to play.

I wonder who else are we interested in outside of the names listed? Any has an updated list.
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Those four would be a good class. If you have a few exceptional players and good coaching you should be able to compete and possibly get to a final 4. Look at Mississippi State. Great coaching a couple of outstanding players and role players that step up. Another program to admire is NC State. My point is you do not have to have a lot of McDonalds all americans to win big games.
 
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mike099 said:
Those four would be a good class. If you have a few exceptional players and good coaching you should be able to compete and possibly get to a final 4. Look at Mississippi State. Great coaching a couple of outstanding players and role players that step up. Another program to admire is NC State. My point is you do not have to have a lot of McDonalds all americans to win big games.
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But you need good coaching to get the most out of those middle tier talents. MSU's Big 3 of Vivians, William and McCowan don't have nearly the hs accolades of Diamond, Jaime and MR, but they have turned the program around.

You can win without a roster of AAs, but only if you're the kind of coach that has proven you can field an elite team without that kind of talent. For the past 2 years, Holly has shown that having the most talent doesn't translate into consistent performance.
 
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mlindsay said:
My take;

Williams Uconn
Ododa South Carolina
DeCosta Cal
N. Smith South Carolina
Grayson Maryland
Egbo Baylor
Madison Williams Texas A&M
Morgan Jones Tennessee

I think our Vols land Gabby Crawford and Morgan Jones to go along with Massengil and MiMi Collins. I think we are out of the running for Williams and Ododa. I think DeCosta likes us a lot but I think she stays home. Grayson also stays home. Maryland brought in Lewis but lost Sloccum and stand to lose a couple more guards after next season so she would have a lot of time to play.

I wonder who else are we interested in outside of the names listed? Any has an updated list.
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Williams is not a lean to UConn.
Tennessee is very much a contender for her... More so than Morgan Jones at this point.

I'm guessing 1 more forward/post and 1 more guard/wing and possibly a Juco/graduate transfer added in the spring of 2018.
 
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tennparker3 said:
Williams is not a lean to UConn.
Tennessee is very much a contender for her... More so than Morgan Jones at this point.

I'm guessing 1 more forward/post and 1 more guard/wing and possibly a Juco/graduate transfer added in the spring of 2018.
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Also, DeCosta is more likely to go far away from home. Louisville and Tennessee have been in her top 5 since the start of her recruitment. SC and Baylor will make a strong push for her too.
 
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If Kara is added to the staff (i know its a long shot) we have probably are for sure to land both Williams and DeCosta as she is their current 3on3 Olympic coach! I know she is selling them on what life would be like should they choose UT.
 
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Actually, I am fairly confident in saying that Kara is probably staying far away from "selling" anyone on Tennessee. Not because she doesn't bleed Orange, but because she is very careful about NCAA recruiting regs and is also scrupulously neutral in her current job. Would she answer questions honestly? Sure, I think so, but it will be up to the players to ask, in my opinion.

Jim
 
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