Lady Vols - LSU Game

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Nah. That arky win was legit!
They took A&M til the end with one of their McD all americans and best players on the bench. Now A&M didn’t have two of theirs either who come off the bench.

They will be a tourney team pending injuries and pending there will be a tourney.

and if that win wasn’t legit Indiana was...
 
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They took A&M til the end with one of their McD all americans and best players on the bench. Now A&M didn’t have two of theirs either who come off the bench.

They will be a tourney team pending injuries and pending there will be a tourney.

and if that win wasn’t legit Indiana was...
Like I said, a win is a win is a win.

I do expect them to make the top 25 today. It will be good to see.
 
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They took A&M til the end with one of their McD all americans and best players on the bench. Now A&M didn’t have two of theirs either who come off the bench.

They will be a tourney team pending injuries and pending there will be a tourney.

and if that win wasn’t legit Indiana was...
That win was legit. Arkansas is just in a rough patch to their schedule. UT, A&M and SC are probably the worst matchups for them due to the size in the post. I think they’re about to rattle off several wins in a row.

They learned a lot in their loss to us that they applied to their game against A&M. Defensively they did a much better job. A&M was pretty frustrated. Arkansas was getting in position and drew a bunch of offensive fouls last night. Something they did not do well against us.

I think they have a good shot at beating SC. With their scoring ability they can beat any given team on any given night. Their defense has to be at least present though. They did not play well defensively against us. Saw a lot more effort on that end last night.

Had Ramirez been available they probably would have won that game. Mason played well in her absence though and it did force Arkansas to go a little bigger at times which they probably needed against A&M with the two bigs in there most of the game.
 
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Excellent comments by you. If Kelly would only apply the Rick Barnes method ball control would return quickly. The men only had either 9 or 11 turnovers yesterday. If a mens team player has a turnover in practice, he has to run all the way from the floor to the top of the arena and back...that gets attention quickly.
I fear if the ladies had to do this practice would be a bust, as most would be running up and down the arena...
 
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Gimme a ugly W over a pretty L all day every day.
I get it, but there are more factors than that.

Is this ugly win over LSU better for the team if they had played South Carolina and were close the entire game before losing by 1 point? What if they shot over 50% from the field and 40% on threes with 21 assists and only 10 turnovers?

Personally, that loss would do more good for the team than the crappy win with 19 turnovers.
 
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I get it, but there are more factors than that.

Is this ugly win over LSU better for the team if they had played South Carolina and were close the entire game before losing by 1 point? What if they shot over 50% from the field and 40% on threes with 21 assists and only 10 turnovers?

Personally, that loss would do more good for the team than the crappy win with 19 turnovers.
The "crappy" win is meaningful because a.) they were able to win a conference game on the road when they didn't play that will, but still managed to escape with a win and b.) they would have lost this game the last 7 years.

Don't underestimate the value of grinding out an ugly win.
 
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The "crappy" win is meaningful because a.) they were able to win a conference game on the road when they didn't play that will, but still managed to escape with a win and b.) they would have lost this game the last 7 years.

Don't underestimate the value of grinding out an ugly win.
Fair enough, however, they won several close conference road games against bad teams over the last 7 years, so maybe they would have and maybe they wouldn't have.
 
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You do realize the men’s team lost their trap game. They had a big win against Missouri and then looked horrible against Alabama. It was a ugly win but at least the women’s team won.
You do realize that Alabama is one of the top 3 teams in the SEC so far this year and had a fantastic game plan they executed to perfection.
 
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The "crappy" win is meaningful because a.) they were able to win a conference game on the road when they didn't play that will, but still managed to escape with a win and b.) they would have lost this game the last 7 years.

Don't underestimate the value of grinding out an ugly win.
A pretty loss might also cost a top 4 coveted spot in the tourney. So i’ll take an ugly win and the fact the players looked bothered after the game let me know they weren’t satisfied (besides jordan was smiling because she didn’t foul out lol)
 
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A win is a win is a win. And I’m thrilled they won but...

I’m not so sure about finding a way to win. Once KK gave them a 58-54 lead with 4:57 left in the game, they did more to lose the game than to win the game.

2-7 on Free Throws
2-7 from the field
1 turnover
committed 3 fouls

They were fortunate to win this game. Perform like this against South Carolina, Kentucky, A&M, Mississippi State, and even Alabama and Ole Miss and odds are it’s a loss.

Like I said, Arkansas was a somewhat “fool‘s gold” kind of win as it was a bad match for Arkansas.

Feel free to disagree in a civil manner, but it’s just how I see it.

I really hope I’m wrong but we will see an up and down season the rest of the way.
I’m not even actually disagreeing but if We were a bad match up for Arky with our length then weren’t they a bad match up for us with quick little guards who can shoot the three? The winner is usually the team that can nullify the other team’s advantage and impose its own strengths the best. I think we did that.
 
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I’m not even actually disagreeing but if We were a bad match up for Arky with our length then weren’t they a bad match up for us with quick little guards who can shoot the three? The winner is usually the team that can nullify the other team’s advantage and impose its own strengths the best. I think we did that.
That's what I say. Arkansas had similar disadvantages vs. Baylor and TAMU, but pulled out a win and close loss because they did other things right and took advantage of some positive matchups. Tennessee took a lot of those opportunities away from them and nullified their strengths while capitalizing on their own.
 
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How many FT’s did the Pointer kid miss for LSU. That seemed to be the difference in the game?
She missed 6. She was 4-10. That really was the difference in the game for them.

Don’t see her FT percentage improving though. She has an ugly looking shot. I’m shocked with Nikki being her aunt that she didn’t develop a better looking shot growing up. They showed her FT motion from the camera under the basket a couple of times. Not pretty.
 
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I always chuckle when I read arguments for certain wins being somehow lesser for the victor because it was "a bad matchup" for the loser.

I mean, isn't "bad matchup" just another way of saying "the winning team had the players -- either bigger, stronger, faster, more experienced, deeper as a team -- necessary to win the game and the losing team didn't"? Isn't not having a better team, exactly, what made it a "bad matchup" for the loser -- that they were simply the better team to begin with? lol

What if the Los Angeles Lakers were to play and beat Appalachian State? Would that have been simply a matter of "bad matchup," or would it have been the more obvious? That the Lakers are a much, MUUUUUUUUUCH better team than Appy State and got their butts whipped. Silly, silly way to diminish a win for somebody, IMO.
 
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I’m not even actually disagreeing but if We were a bad match up for Arky with our length then weren’t they a bad match up for us with quick little guards who can shoot the three? The winner is usually the team that can nullify the other team’s advantage and impose its own strengths the best. I think we did that.
Tennessee used it's quickness along with their length to give Arkansas great trouble. And that showed up in their three point shooting. The long arms of Tennessee's perimeter defenders forced them into 9-30 and their best three point shooter, Dungee was 1-10. And because they are quick enough to handle their penetration the Razorbacks could only shoot 32% from the field.

Similar to the Indiana game where they struggled to make threes.

Any way you look at it, Tennessee was a really tough match up for Arkansas.
 
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I always chuckle when I read arguments for certain wins being somehow lesser for the victor because it was "a bad matchup" for the loser.

I mean, isn't "bad matchup" just another way of saying "the winning team had the players -- either bigger, stronger, faster, more experienced, deeper as a team -- necessary to win the game and the losing team didn't"? Isn't THAT, exactly, what made it a "bad matchup" for the loser -- that they were simply the better team to begin with? lol

What if the Los Angeles Lakers were to play and beat Appalachian State? Would that have been simply a matter of "bad matchup," or would it have been the more obvious? That the Lakers are a much, MUUUUUUUUUCH better team than Appy State and got their butts whipped. Silly, silly way to diminish a win for somebody, IMO.
Actually, no.

Not sure why you went to such a ridiculous analogy.

I've been watching sports for a long time and match ups are a big reason for teams winning or losing.

And I'm not sure what you all are finding this so insulting. It certainly is not meant that way.
 
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I’m not even actually disagreeing but if We were a bad match up for Arky with our length then weren’t they a bad match up for us with quick little guards who can shoot the three? The winner is usually the team that can nullify the other team’s advantage and impose its own strengths the best. I think we did that.
This ☝🏽 all of it!
 
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I always chuckle when I read arguments for certain wins being somehow lesser for the victor because it was "a bad matchup" for the loser.

I mean, isn't "bad matchup" just another way of saying "the winning team had the players -- either bigger, stronger, faster, more experienced, deeper as a team -- necessary to win the game and the losing team didn't"? Isn't not having a better team, exactly, what made it a "bad matchup" for the loser -- that they were simply the better team to begin with? lol

What if the Los Angeles Lakers were to play and beat Appalachian State? Would that have been simply a matter of "bad matchup," or would it have been the more obvious? That the Lakers are a much, MUUUUUUUUUCH better team than Appy State and got their butts whipped. Silly, silly way to diminish a win for somebody, IMO.
haha you went to polar opposites but i get what you are saying lol

it’s what i said earlier people say stuff and criticisms are fair and a part of the game but i think the part that’s annoying (for me) is the end part of but i’m not taking a dig at the win. 😂 it’s hard to explain
 

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