KY game and logical take on Dooley's and the program's future

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Peyton Berry

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Just got back from the game. IMO was one of the worst loses in program history and worst loss since Wyoming. We just lost to a bottom 1/4 NCAA team playing a WR as QB for the first time ever that didn't pass over 5 times the whole game. But it wasn't the D's fault, they fought and played good. But that was the poorest offensive game in Dooley's tenure. The players didn't seem into it, and was the worst play calling game for Chaney since he's been here.

Post game, the KY coaches said they told Roark of their plans to play him at QB Tuesday, began working on the package Sunday night, and began practicing it Tuesday. Sanders said he had ONE sheet of plays that Roark felt comfortable running. Joker said he told Sanders don't you think we can hit a post now later in the game and Sanders told him it wasn't on the play sheet and that he didn't feel comfortable calling it. And we lost to this team because our offense failed miserably to produce time and time again.

On Dooley's future, I'll be the first to say that I have supported him the whole time, and I STILL DO. But his seat is now officially warm because of this loss, and I believe the pressure cooker has now been turned on. This loss was completely unexcusable, on him and the offensive staff, and he knows it. If they would have came out and taken care of business, I honestly thought he would/should get some slack because of the injuries, lack of depth, etc. etc., and his seat would have only been mild to warm and not feeling the pressure near as much as what he will now.

I think Dooley now has to present a plan to the administration for offensive changes and next years plans, and carry them out. I thought Dooley had at least two more years regardless because of the poor state the program was in when he got it. I think now, because of this loss, next year may be all he gets if he has another season with little to no overall improvement.

These upcoming offensive hires/changes will probably be the biggest factor for his future. IMO the Clawson hire and lack of offense was the straw that broke Fulmer's back, and could be the one that breaks Dooley's if the offense doesn't get fixed, esp. the run game. He also better shape up the kicking game. Having 2 number one rated kickers and not getting no more production out of them than we are is more than likely lack of coaching and not that 2 highly rated kickers were over-rated.

I think the defense is improving and playing well, and credit Wilcox and his staff. They have had to deal with alot of injuries and not having their best saftey or linebacker all year and have still managed to improve.

In summary, I really hope Dooley makes the right changes, signs a top 15 class or better, gets ALL the players under him and hungry, and we see an improved team next year that wins 7+ games. Because another coaching change would set the program back even more, even if it is a "Big Fish". Hopefully the KY was rock bottom, and its uphill form here. My hope is all the fans get behind Dooley and the team from now through next year and hope for the best, for Dooley's and the programs sake.
 
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Good summary. But I think it's 8 wins minimum next year and the 4 losses better be reasonable. We shall see.
 
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Tennessee's head coach got outcoached by Kentucky's. That's the problem I have. If you know you're going to fire a coach, why not do it sooner rather than later?
 
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Good summary. But I think it's 8 wins minimum next year and the 4 losses better be reasonable. We shall see.

I could see a 7-5 record that saves him, but it basically requires a HUGE marquee win and no bad losses (for instance, beating Alabama and losing to Florida, Georgia, Carolina, Arkansas, Missouri). And even then it'd be 50/50.

He needs eight to feel remotely safe.
 
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Have to highly disagree with the whole "poor kicking falls on bad coaching theory". There's only so much you can coach a player when his job is to kick the ball
 
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Saw the game and agree with OP....no reason to have a kicking game this bad or the offense so out of sync. I'm not certain what to think. In the future, I hope Dooley spends his time correcting the coaching problems and stop publicly calling out players. Chaney is the worse play caller I've ever witnessed. I believe a Jr High coach could do better.
 
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I agree with the OP. My question is when does CDD make the staff changes. Should we expect something now or does recruiting play into the timing? Which staff members get walking papers? I fully support getting rid of the OC.
 
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Most people on this board are younger than the streak and don't seem to realize how much it meant to a lot of people who have been around the program since it started. Dooley has embarrassed the program badly and lost critical support among donors. An upgrade at HC won't set the program back; it will move it into the future with positive energy and reunite a fractured fanbase. What will crash the program is to continue on a downward trajectory with an unpopular, divisive coach that is alienating players, fans, donors and season ticket holders.
 
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I could see a 7-5 record that saves him, but it basically requires a HUGE marquee win and no bad losses (for instance, beating Alabama and losing to Florida, Georgia, Carolina, Arkansas, Missouri). And even then it'd be 50/50.

He needs eight to feel remotely safe.

would suck majorly
 
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Tennessee's head coach got outcoached by Kentucky's. That's the problem I have. If you know you're going to fire a coach, why not do it sooner rather than later?

Dooley knows he and his offensive staff were outcoached that game. But who said anything about knowing that they are going to fire Dooley over it? If he goes 7-5 or better next year I think we'll all feel better about the direction, depending on what types of wins/loses they are.
 
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I could see a 7-5 record that saves him, but it basically requires a HUGE marquee win and no bad losses (for instance, beating Alabama and losing to Florida, Georgia, Carolina, Arkansas, Missouri). And even then it'd be 50/50.

He needs eight to feel remotely safe.

Think is depends on what the wins and loses are. And I ain't saying it totally depends on Wins/loses, but how the team turns out, esp. offensively.
 
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4 loosing seasons in the last 7 years. You just put the existing coach on notice that he has to fix the problem in one year. He has been on the job for two years and has failed and now you are expecting him to pass the final exam? So, we might as well chalk up another mediocre season next year and another one in 2013 when the new coach is installing his new system.

It is amazing what the Tennessee faithful will swallow these days.
 
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Have to highly disagree with the whole "poor kicking falls on bad coaching theory". There's only so much you can coach a player when his job is to kick the ball

There has to be some coaching to it. These guys were both great kickers in high school. Did they get to college and just forget how to kick???

If Darr punts a 40 yarder now its an aboration and Palardy can kick a 50+ yarder one game nicely and kick one like in the KY next. Has to be something.
 
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Most people on this board are younger than the streak and don't seem to realize how much it meant to a lot of people who have been around the program since it started. Dooley has embarrassed the program badly and lost critical support among donors. An upgrade at HC won't set the program back; it will move it into the future with positive energy and reunite a fractured fanbase. What will crash the program is to continue on a downward trajectory with an unpopular, divisive coach that is alienating players, fans, donors and season ticket holders.


Hmmmmm. Wrong. On many accounts. Your allusion to an upgrade on a HC leads you to where?????? Simple question. Should be a simple answer.
Also take into account CDD's buyout - and the fact that we are still paying CPF.

So in your enlightened illumos, please explain how your idea that firing CDD will not hurt the program - but how some unmentioned coach for unmentioned amount will bring us back to days of glory. This should be interesting. And remember that it's not polite to ask a question when one is asked of you. Assuming you do have manners.
 
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Most people on this board are younger than the streak and don't seem to realize how much it meant to a lot of people who have been around the program since it started. Dooley has embarrassed the program badly and lost critical support among donors. An upgrade at HC won't set the program back; it will move it into the future with positive energy and reunite a fractured fanbase. What will crash the program is to continue on a downward trajectory with an unpopular, divisive coach that is alienating players, fans, donors and season ticket holders.

KY stormed the field like one KY fan said "like thay had just won the SEC CHampionship". This was a big deal.

And who says we "upgrade" if we change. It is a chance at best. Dooley had a tough deck to play with at the beginning of the year without all the injuries. Next year I think tells the tale with him. We'll have more depth and experienced players that are "his" players. If no improvement and s.o.s. next year then yeah, may be time for yet another change.
 
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I think definitely that one more year needs to be given. If we don't win 8 games next season I think it's time to say goodbye to Dooley. Which is too bad because I like the guy but results are all that matter.
 
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Dooley knows he and his offensive staff were outcoached that game. But who said anything about knowing that they are going to fire Dooley over it? If he goes 7-5 or better next year I think we'll all feel better about the direction, depending on what types of wins/loses they are.

IYO, just how were they out coached? Our Vols were certainly outplayed, but I am curious to know how they were out coached.
 
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Tennessee's head coach got outcoached by Kentucky's. That's the problem I have. If you know you're going to fire a coach, why not do it sooner rather than later?

I agree. A hopeless program that prides itself on it's basketball which still hasn't won a national title in going on 14 years.
Dooley should be fired. The team should have been fired up based on the fact the the Wildcats hadn't beat the Vols in nearly 30 years. Not to mention the fact that they had a QB that hadn't played the position since high school.
 
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KY stormed the field like one KY fan said "like thay had just won the SEC CHampionship". This was a big deal.

And who says we "upgrade" if we change. It is a chance at best. Dooley had a tough deck to play with at the beginning of the year without all the injuries. Next year I think tells the tale with him. We'll have more depth and experienced players that are "his" players. If no improvement and s.o.s. next year then yeah, may be time for yet another change.

We would only hire an upgrade. Depth and experience aren't going to fix the worst of our problems, which stem from hiring an unproven, inexperienced coach who hasn't developed the essential skill set. In time, he may, but he won't get that much time here. Not now.
 
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IYO, just how were they out coached? Our Vols were certainly outplayed, but I am curious to know how they were out coached.

Chaney was outcoached by the D coordinator. Offense couldn't do anything, credit KY defense but also the inept play calling of Chaney. Thus he was outcoached.
 
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