KNS reporting Lane Kiffin to become next head coach

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SavageOrangeJug said:
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You don't post much, but when you do. You certainly make it a good one. :good!:
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two degrees in writing I have...

And, again, for the record, I hope I'm wrong. But at this moment, I'm pretty damn bummed. I get that Kiffin might end up being a great hire - I never said he for certain would fail. I just said it's a huge gamble, and that we have the resources not to have to gamble, and I really, really feel like we are at a time when we cannot afford to gamble. Meyer was not a gamble on this order; Utah is not in a BCS conference, but they've been to a BCS bowl very recently, and were undefeated the last year he coached them; that's many worlds removed from no successful head-coaching experience whatsoever. And the Carroll example doesn't hold water either, because he took a team to the NFL playoffs one year.
 
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SavageOrangeJug said:
Any AD that says a $20M buyout isn't a concern is lying, or an he's a fiscally irresponsible idiot.
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Seems to be some dispute on how big the buyout actually is, some are reporting that its actually in the 5 million are, not the 20 million.
 
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VolDad said:
One week ago I would have agreed with you. But the Syracuse loss and pending USC beatdown has a lot of people talking up there.

Sources: Weis' Notre Dame buyout smaller than believed
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You might be right. ND has a LOT of money.

Not only do they have a wealthy alumni base. They have that CBS TV contract padding the coffers.

If that buyout is smaller, they won't hesitate. I can't see even a wealthy school throwing away $20M. Especially with the recruiting class Weis is bringing in.
 
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Is the buyout just that large because he has several years left on his contract, or were there conditions saying if he is fired before a certain number of years being coach he wins the lottery?
 
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Here is my info

Check out my link above. I put this information up a few days ago. I'm sure some of you doubted me. Maybe you thought I was making a vague, uneducated prediction. Those of you that are "in the know" knew I wasn't just making some junk up. Let's just say that I know people that are in the know, and that's all I'll ever say when it comes to future info. Let's also say that I knew about Petrino being at Arkansas long before he knew, but that was only because Tuberville turned down a buttload of cash first. Maybe Tub's shoulda taken the cash...

Now that I'm done stroking the ego of my personal information pipeline, I'll move to the future.

With the rumor that Orgeron is going to LSU, what are your predictions on pay and assistants?
 
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walt2007 said:
two degrees in writing I have...

And, again, for the record, I hope I'm wrong. But at this moment, I'm pretty damn bummed. I get that Kiffin might end up being a great hire - I never said he for certain would fail. I just said it's a huge gamble, and that we have the resources not to have to gamble, and I really, really feel like we are at a time when we cannot afford to gamble. Meyer was not a gamble on this order; Utah is not in a BCS conference, but they've been to a BCS bowl very recently, and were undefeated the last year he coached them; that's many worlds removed from no successful head-coaching experience whatsoever. And the Carroll example doesn't hold water either, because he took a team to the NFL playoffs one year.
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So you're saying we shoulda got Kyle Wittingham or Chris Petersen.... right.
 
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I hope that I am wrong but I think were screwed. He was CO-offensive coordinator sharing play calling duties at USC. Is that relevant? Maybe, maybe not.

The stray cat in my neighborhood could recruit kids to USC.

This program needs a proven Head Coach, period. If being young and energetic is one of the more important requirements for the hire then the Utah or Boise State Coach makes more sense.

Kiffin may be the next young super star, but is Tennessee the right place for that experiment that "may be"?

I just have not seen anything that convinces me that this is the "hire". Actually just the opposite.

Not being negative, just concerned.
 
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therealUT said:
You obviously know nothing of what you are talking about. Stoops spent 9 successful years as defensive coordinators for top programs prior to being hired by OU. Kiffin has 2 successful years at USC. That is it.
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and you obviously cant count since he was there before 05. Not as a coordinator i know, but the argument that he can't be successful at UT just shows how ignorant some UT fans are.
 
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Money isn't a big deal for Notre Dame. IIRC someone on TV said that just the football team brings in about 100 mil per year.

Now if they buy him out, that's still 80 million dollars. They'll still be turning a massive profit, and could get a way better coach to come in.

But whatever, I wouldn't mind seeing them keeping him and watching ND fail.
 
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SavageOrangeJug said:
No, SavageOrangeJug just isn't an idiot Kiffinite. :eek:k:

I'll be bitter when you get your way, and Kiffin falls flat on his face taking the program with it.
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maybe you can give me the winning lotto numbers tomorrow night since you seem to have the impossible ability to see into the future. people that want to get rid of any coach just because it's not the coach you wanted is ignorant. there is a reason why we are posting on VN and not making the hire.
 
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SavageOrangeJug said:
Any AD that says a $20M buyout isn't a concern is lying, or an he's a fiscally irresponsible idiot.
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The buyout is not even remotely close to $20 million.

And its not a concern and it shouldn't. The majority percentage of a coaches buyout package comes from alumni checkbooks, not the athletic department.

I cover ND football as part of my job, I attend all home games and press conferences and as much as I like and get along with CCW, it is time to move on.

Right now I think it is still 50/50 that he goes or stays. There is a chance he is given 1 more year to get it done.

If he is let go, Kiffin and Kelly are the only 2 main names that have come up so far. With Kiffin off the market now, I see them going after Kelly after trying to nail down a big time coach. The alumni are very restless and want a big time coach, but I just don't see a big time coach leaving their school and wanting to walk into this mess up here.
 
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LAJBoys said:
and you obviously cant count since he was there before 05. Not as a coordinator i know, but the argument that he can't be successful at UT just shows how ignorant some UT fans are.
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Have I argued that he "can't be successful"? No. I have argued that there is nothing on his resume that leads any rational human being to believe that he will be successful as the Head Coach of any BCS Conference football team.
 
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LAJBoys said:
and you obviously cant count since he was there before 05. Not as a coordinator i know, but the argument that he can't be successful at UT just shows how ignorant some UT fans are.
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He was the Co-offensive Cordinator, he shared the play calling duties. The only thing he has been in control of was the Oakland Raiders and that didn't turn out to well.

Maybe some of us UT fans do try to get the facts.
 
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FLSTF-VOL said:
He was the Co-offensive Cordinator, he shared the play calling duties. The only thing he has been in control of was the Oakland Raiders and that didn't turn out to well.

Maybe some of us UT fans do try to get the facts.
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Lets look at the Raiders though...Vince Lombardi wouldn't win 6 games with that roster!
 
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therealUT said:
Have I argued that he "can't be successful"? No. I have argued that there is nothing on his resume that leads any rational human being to believe that he will be successful as the Head Coach of any BCS Conference football team.
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Leads you to believe that 1) He comes off impressively in an interview; 2) He is coming very highly recommended.
 
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IBleedOrange said:
maybe you can give me the winning lotto numbers tomorrow night since you seem to have the impossible ability to see into the future. people that want to get rid of any coach just because it's not the coach you wanted is ignorant. there is a reason why we are posting on VN and not making the hire.
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Ignorance is blindly following a "hot name", and ignoring the historical facts associated with that name.

I love how you Kiffinites think anyone who disagrees with this hire is ignorant. :shakehead:
 
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GAVol said:
Leads you to believe that 1) He comes off impressively in an interview; 2) He is coming very highly recommended.
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I don't doubt either of those points. I also would not mind taking Kiffin in late January, after offering the job to more qualified candidates and being rejected. To me, this is the equivalent of "going fat early". This strategy is a strategy that should be pursued by programs that have little to offer. We have money, facilities, and as much or more tradition than any other program with openings this off-season (as of now, there is no opening at ND).
 
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GAVol said:
Leads you to believe that 1) He comes off impressively in an interview; 2) He is coming very highly recommended.
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Hopefully when the press conference happens the answers to questions related to the statements above are answered.
I am sure the search was well thought out by Hamilton and several opinions from smart people were entertained when making the decision.
I like being positive.:rock:
 
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SavageOrangeJug said:
Ignorance is blindly following a "hot name", and ignoring the historical facts associated with that name.

I love how you Kiffinites think anyone who disagrees with this hire is ignorant. :shakehead:
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Just out of curiousity - what's more important to you:

- Lane Kiffin succeeding and bringing UT back OR
- Him failing so you can be right?
 
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iceman9 said:
Yes, they did, saying that the "dollar amount is of no concern at all". And if you didn't get Meyer the first time, doubtful their going to get him now.
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i was unaware they went after Meyer before. I imagine they'll attempt it again, given how fast he can get things turned around. he's come out and said that the ND job is his dream job.
 
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SavageOrangeJug said:
Ignorance is blindly following a "hot name", and ignoring the historical facts associated with that name.

I love how you Kiffinites think anyone who disagrees with this hire is ignorant. :shakehead:
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I am not a Kiffinite nor do I think that you are ignorant. I just think you are getting all worked up for no reason. I will give Hammy the benefit of the doubt if he hires Kiffin, Leach, Kelly, Davis, Gruden, etc. and will not proclaim Doom and Gloom.

Though I do not think you are ignorant, your proclamations of doom and gloom do make you "sound" ignorant. You have a 50/50 chance of being right and can no more predict the future than the next guy.



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