Kippy Brown

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#76
Hiring Kippy would've only set the program back more IMO. Hiring him would've been even worse than what we ended up with.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Kippy would have been a BAD experiment, IMO. No HC experience, coupled with limited recruiting in many years, would have led us down a darker path than some think we are on right now. At least Dooley has been in the HS that we are currently trying to recruit. His last name also carries weight in the state we are trying to poach for talent.
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I agree with eric to an extent on this. I think given our situation it was going to be very hard to get a "big name" coach. I don't know if keeping Kippy would have the worst choice out there. I do believe we are better off with Dooley though. I was actually rooting for Kippy to get the job at one time. I lost some respect for him after he preached loyalty,UT is a family,there is no doom & gloom, etc. He said moving is over rated, & he was not a "west coast" guy etc. Then he straight BOLTS! Lol... I would have liked him stay on staff though, but I guess he had too much pride. On the other hand, I do agree were better off with Dooley at the helm. Jmo.
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Something I want to know about the Dooley haters... were you excited about the Kiffin hire? I mean if you look at the 2 men they actually have a lot in common

Both are sons of legendary coaches... Vince Dooley and Monte Kiffin

Both are extremely passionate about coaching football and recruiting...

Both at their previous gigs had a very big role in building National Championship teams Kiffin with USC under Pete Carrol and Dooley at LSU under Nick Saban...

Both left their "mentors" to take head coaching gigs

Both had pretty lousy records at said HC gigs

Both got their big breaks from Mike Hamilton offering them the Head Coaching job at UT

Both put together top notch coaching staffs... who are known for both their coaching abilities and recruiting

The only difference in the two is their demeanor and the way they do their jobs... Kiffin is a personality all about the lights and attention Dooley is more low key and seems to be more about doing things to build a legacy here at UT. And I say that comes from their raising Kiffin is SoCal guy and lives that way... Dooley is Southern man and lives that way... If you don't like the Dooley hire.. that's fine.. but how can you not like this hire and supported Kiffin? if anything else you know Dooley knows what it takes to win in the SEC he was raised on the stuff
 
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cbd2s said:
Something I want to know about the Dooley haters... were you excited about the Kiffin hire? I mean if you look at the 2 men they actually have a lot in common

Both are sons of legendary coaches... Vince Dooley and Monte Kiffin

Both are extremely passionate about coaching football and recruiting...

Both at their previous gigs had a very big role in building National Championship teams Kiffin with USC under Pete Carrol and Dooley at LSU under Nick Saban...

Both left their "mentors" to take head coaching gigs

Both had pretty lousy records at said HC gigs

Both got their big breaks from Mike Hamilton offering them the Head Coaching job at UT

Both put together top notch coaching staffs... who are known for both their coaching abilities and recruiting

The only difference in the two is their demeanor and the way they do their jobs... Kiffin is a personality all about the lights and attention Dooley is more low key and seems to be more about doing things to build a legacy here at UT. And I say that comes from their raising Kiffin is SoCal guy and lives that way... Dooley is Southern man and lives that way... If you don't like the Dooley hire.. that's fine.. but how can you not like this hire and supported Kiffin? if anything else you know Dooley knows what it takes to win in the SEC he was raised on the stuff
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I agree. Nice post!
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#80
There's a very good reason Kippy has never been a college HC or a coordinator on any level. There's a very good reason that every year when the fb season ends, his name is never brought up nor does he interview for a HC job.
With the exception of the XFL year, he's been a position coach his entire career.
 
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cbd2s said:
Something I want to know about the Dooley haters... were you excited about the Kiffin hire? I mean if you look at the 2 men they actually have a lot in common

Both are sons of legendary coaches... Vince Dooley and Monte Kiffin

Both are extremely passionate about coaching football and recruiting...

Both at their previous gigs had a very big role in building National Championship teams Kiffin with USC under Pete Carrol and Dooley at LSU under Nick Saban...

Both left their "mentors" to take head coaching gigs

Both had pretty lousy records at said HC gigs

Both got their big breaks from Mike Hamilton offering them the Head Coaching job at UT

Both put together top notch coaching staffs... who are known for both their coaching abilities and recruiting

The only difference in the two is their demeanor and the way they do their jobs... Kiffin is a personality all about the lights and attention Dooley is more low key and seems to be more about doing things to build a legacy here at UT. And I say that comes from their raising Kiffin is SoCal guy and lives that way... Dooley is Southern man and lives that way... If you don't like the Dooley hire.. that's fine.. but how can you not like this hire and supported Kiffin? if anything else you know Dooley knows what it takes to win in the SEC he was raised on the stuff
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You forgot... both are males and both have mothers.
 
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Hobock said:
We were married to Coach Fulmer for 35 years. Those kids WERE HIS KIDS. His speech didn't hurt the program.

Tell me...What would you have said to those kids? Really!!! Think about it!!!
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I would have built up the players' confidence in themselves and the institution. Fulmer tore them down... out of bitterness I suppose. Fulmer wasn't the first person to lose a job. His display was no example for those player to carry around the reat of their lives.
 
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GreveHaller said:
There's a very good reason Kippy has never been a college HC or a coordinator on any level. There's a very good reason that every year when the fb season ends, his name is never brought up nor does he interview for a HC job.
With the exception of the XFL year, he's been a position coach his entire career.
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Prior to La Tech wasteland, what was Dooley?
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GreveHaller said:
There's a very good reason Kippy has never been a college HC or a coordinator on any level. There's a very good reason that every year when the fb season ends, his name is never brought up nor does he interview for a HC job.
With the exception of the XFL year, he's been a position coach his entire career.
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He has been interviewed for HC positions with the Lions and the Dolphins, but I understand they are not WAC teams and thus shouldn't count.
 
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cbd2s said:
Something I want to know about the Dooley haters... were you excited about the Kiffin hire? I mean if you look at the 2 men they actually have a lot in common

Both are sons of legendary coaches... Vince Dooley and Monte Kiffin

Both are extremely passionate about coaching football and recruiting...

Both at their previous gigs had a very big role in building National Championship teams Kiffin with USC under Pete Carrol and Dooley at LSU under Nick Saban...

Both left their "mentors" to take head coaching gigs

Both had pretty lousy records at said HC gigs

Both got their big breaks from Mike Hamilton offering them the Head Coaching job at UT

Both put together top notch coaching staffs... who are known for both their coaching abilities and recruiting

The only difference in the two is their demeanor and the way they do their jobs... Kiffin is a personality all about the lights and attention Dooley is more low key and seems to be more about doing things to build a legacy here at UT. And I say that comes from their raising Kiffin is SoCal guy and lives that way... Dooley is Southern man and lives that way... If you don't like the Dooley hire.. that's fine.. but how can you not like this hire and supported Kiffin? if anything else you know Dooley knows what it takes to win in the SEC he was raised on the stuff
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I agree.

I can see people wanting to get the sure thing by hiring a proven college football head coach, but the truth is that there is no sure thing. We had a proven head coach in Fulmer. Personally, I prefer an up-and-coming young guy. I liked the Kiffin hire (I am sooo glad he is gone!), and I like the Dooley hire even better up to this point.


I liked Kippy a whole lot. He was a GREAT assistant coach, but to answer a previous post, hiring him just to get an AA coach... well how did Wade Houston work out for us???

The bottom line is that there will always be people who diss the coaching hire, no matter who it is. All I can say about this one is: He saved last year's recruiting class, he hired a good (to very good) staff, he seems to be having good coaching clinics this Summer, we will see how the season goes, and the follow-up in recruiting... No reason to be upset at all up to this point.

In a perfect world, Dooley could have all the sizzle that Kiffin had, without all the potential violations. It kept my attention 24/7. It was fun while it lasted (JMO). The reality is that we need a coach who just does his job. That appears to be what Dooley is doing.
 
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#89
GreveHaller said:
at least DD was a HC. Being the HC of a 1 yr league isnt a resume booster
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Kippy has said that he was offered college HC jobs over the years, but not at the level he wanted.

Dooley took a risk by taking the LA Tech job. He admits that himself. The risk was, you have to win, or you're out of coaching.

He didn't win, but he's not out of coaching.
 
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GreveHaller said:
at least DD was a HC. Being the HC of a 1 yr league isnt a resume booster
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Better than La Tech, where doubling as AD was part of the allure. Remember that you're shortly going to have to justify his losing record and breakeven conf job based upon the sorriness of the program. I can appreciate the point, but both were awful options to me, on simply had an easier out.
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Hoss Diesel said:
1) What do you think KB's record would have been? What would the consensus reaction be to that record?

2) Who would have been your *REALISTIC* ideal hire when the time came to replace Kippy? When would we have hired?

3) How would you see the '11 recruiting class filling out with your hire from #2 at the time we hired him?

4) Do you think keeping KB as HC would be a good career move for Mike Hamilton?

5) And finally, how would have the players on our existing rosters have advanced with KB?
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1. Anywhere from 3-9 to 5-7. Probably not good.

2. Gary Patterson. To think that he turned us down based on money instead of timing is a joke. This is the kind of coach Tennessee needs desperately.

3. Defensive talent galore. We could get in with guys we were looking at us that maybe didn't think much of the previous staff, but loved the school.

4. Nothing is a good career move for Mike Hamilton. He's toast. I'm seriously surprised he still has his job. I don't expect him to next year.

5. The players would have been different. We'd have had Ambles, which means we probably wouldn't have had either Hunter or Rogers. I think that our wideouts would have been great, Thompson and Chaney would have stayed, Chuck Smith would have come back, either way. But we don't get Harry Hiestand, who would, and will be a major player.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Better than La Tech, where doubling as AD was part of the allure. Remember that you're shortly going to have to justify his losing record and breakeven conf job based upon the sorriness of the program. I can appreciate the point, but both were awful options to me, on simply had an easier out.
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If I'm not mistaken, Muschamp told Hamilton about Dooley and that Muschamp told Hamilton that it might be a good idea to grab Dooley while you can, before someone else does.

Dooley may not be sexy right now, but if given a chance, he might be that frog that turns into a prince.
 
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#95
CountVolcula said:
If I'm not mistaken, Muschamp told Hamilton about Dooley and that Muschamp told Hamilton that it might be a good idea to grab Dooley while you can, before someone else does.

Dooley may not be sexy right now, but if given a chance, he might be that frog that turns into a prince.
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That would require people waiting for him to get them on the field before judging him.. I don't think some are capable of this.
 
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#96
Thank you for starting this thread. It has drawn out the DD doubters and has shown that their lack of support for DD is because their choice wasn't hired. They will b****h and moan until the cows come home even we start to win big. I don't know if Brown, Muschamp, Gruden, Kelley or anyone else would have been a better choice than DD. But they are not here, Kiffin is not here and Fulmer is not here (thank God) and I am supporting DD and the Vols all the way. You other guys can pout and take your toys and go home.
 
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#97
CountVolcula said:
If I'm not mistaken, Muschamp told Hamilton about Dooley and that Muschamp told Hamilton that it might be a good idea to grab Dooley while you can, before someone else does.

Dooley may not be sexy right now, but if given a chance, he might be that frog that turns into a prince.
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Why should I care what Will Muschamp thinks?
 
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zjcvols said:
You've basically been the same thing, only just positive.
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I've at least conceded that Dooley may not work, but it does me no good to be "Whoa is me" about it. Therefore, I will be positive, because I hate just being negative. There are too many people who think being negative is being realistic
 
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