Kippy Brown leaving for the Seattle Seahawks (Merged)

#51
#51
Weezer said:
All Kippy wanted was respect. By giving him a sham interview, you disrespect him. I want him to stay, but I won't blame him if he goes.
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Absolutely. I realize he doesn't have head coaching experience, but he certainly deserved at least an interview if he was promised consideration.
 
#52
#52
Vercingetorix said:
I keep saying this: Hamilton is at a point where he is fighting for his own job. He can't go on a nationwide coaching search and then come back and promote a guy who was hired as the WR coach a month ago, because that looks like failure. He had to come home with a successful coaching search.

Whether that search actually was "successful" is a whole different story, but he couldn't come back with nothing. Not with his position as precarious as it probably is right now.
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I think most of your post is correct which is what makes your point wrong. Hammy had to get a hire that is going to be very successful, no matter if he was on staff, coaching middle school, high school, college or pro, or working at star bucks. How the hire looks will not matter, if the results aren't good the next interviews will be for AD. I hope that how it looked didn't figure into the decision because I'm not sure we passed the eye test and we are way past looks. Nothing but results will decide what happens from here.
 
#54
#54
majic73 said:
no , no ...thats our problem. Kippy Brown is not just a wide receivers coach. He has coaches virtually every offensive position at the college and NFL level with great success. He is also a wonderful person has been a successful recruiter in the past.

Ever hear of any of these guys : Anthony Miller Tim McGee Alvin Harper and Carl Pickens ? Ever hear UT referred to as wide receiver U ? Kippy Brown was a huge part of that . He moved around alot because people kept offering him more money.

When you have a quality candidate , that has been a big part of your program in the past , he deserves an interview. Given that he would be 1 of , I think , 4 black coaches if hired ...he deserves an interview. Kids of all races would hear about that and many would feel attracted to the program because of it. When you hire a guy that looks good on paper ...but has 0 coordinator experience , and 0 head coaching experience at a high level of play ...Kippy deserved an interview.
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He's a career position coach. He wasn't employed when we hired him. Look, I was a young impressionable kid when he was coaching all those guys that made us Wide Receiver U, and I was as thrilled as anybody to hear that he was coming back, and I loved his press conference as much as anybody, but there's just nothing in his resume to suggest that he's a head coach. And he's almost as old as Fulmer, so it's not like he's got a whole lot of upside. I think that the best and smartest move for Tennessee (once everybody turned us down) would have been for him to be interim coach for the 2010 season, so that we could have spent the whole year ready to be the first one out of the chute in the coaching carousel, but I don't know that he would have agreed to it, and once we embarked on a giant public coaching search, there was no way that was going to happen.
 
#55
#55
sportsdoc1 said:
I think most of your post is correct which is what makes your point wrong. Hammy had to get a hire that is going to be very successful, no matter if he was on staff, coaching middle school, high school, college or pro, or working at star bucks. How the hire looks will not matter, if the results aren't good the next interviews will be for AD. I hope that how it looked didn't figure into the decision because I'm not sure we passed the eye test and we are way past looks. Nothing but results will decide what happens from here.
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That is an awesome sentence. I really can't figure out a response to it. Nicely done.
 
#57
#57
Kippy Brown is going to be on the Vols staff because we now have a hfc who was raised right and knows how to respect his elders. Maybe Kippy gets blown off in the meantime, maybe not.
 
#58
#58
Weezer said:
Honestly, whether you agree this is a good hire or not, Hammy is a horrible AD. Apparently he can't sell the program to more prestigious coaches, and he doesn't know how to negotiate good contracts. I would think those would be two of the most important aspects of his job, and he sucks at both.
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I think he shoots for the low-budget targets as he thinks that is what Tennessee is...a lower tier SEC program. To some degree our level of play had reflected that during his tenure. He's from Clemson, so he doesn't know Tennessee tradition firsthand like most of us do. This is precisely why I think I'm ready to concede Fulmer or Heath Shuler (currently a congressman in NC) as our AD to replace Hamilton immediately. This program is still a high-end product. he came back with a low-end coach..and admitted it was his first offer.

What does that mean...his first offer? That he didn't go to Wittingham or Patterson and say "We like what we see, and I'd like to make you an offer...can we talk. If they say yes, then there is no reason we couldn't reasonably accommodate whatever they were asking. It sounds like that is not what was taking place...more like Hamilton shooting fish in a barrel, instead of heading out to the lake and reeling in the big one we desperately needed.
 
#59
#59
VolunteerHillbilly said:
I do not think that Kippy thinks he got a sham inteview. If anything, I imagine that he assumes that he was very close to being our hfc and he understands how much trust our AD has in him. Mike Hamilton fought off David Cutcliife, and I gurantee you it was a dogfight, to keep Cut from firing off all of the guys that Kiffin left behind. Kippy is still here because MH wants him to be here and because we all respect Kippy for what he's done for the program.
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you should check out the many sides of dooley thread
 
#60
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TENNaciousUTfan said:
I think he shoots for the low-budget targets as he thinks that is what Tennessee is...a lower tier SEC program. To some degree our level of play had reflected that during his tenure. He's from Clemson, so he doesn't know Tennessee tradition firsthand like most of us do. This is precisely why I think I'm ready to concede Fulmer or Heath Shuler (currently a congressman in NC) as our AD to replace Hamilton immediately. This program is still a high-end product. he came back with a low-end coach..and admitted it was his first offer.

What does that mean...his first offer? That he didn't go to Wittingham or Patterson and say "We like what we see, and I'd like to make you an offer...can we talk. If they say yes, then there is no reason we couldn't reasonably accommodate whatever they were asking. It sounds like that is not what was taking place...more like Hamilton shooting fish in a barrel, instead of heading out to the lake and reeling in the big one we desperately needed.
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you should check out the many sides of dooley thread
 
#67
#67
TENNaciousUTfan said:
I think he shoots for the low-budget targets as he thinks that is what Tennessee is...a lower tier SEC program. To some degree our level of play had reflected that during his tenure. He's from Clemson, so he doesn't know Tennessee tradition firsthand like most of us do. This is precisely why I think I'm ready to concede Fulmer or Heath Shuler (currently a congressman in NC) as our AD to replace Hamilton immediately. This program is still a high-end product. he came back with a low-end coach..and admitted it was his first offer.

What does that mean...his first offer? That he didn't go to Wittingham or Patterson and say "We like what we see, and I'd like to make you an offer...can we talk. If they say yes, then there is no reason we couldn't reasonably accommodate whatever they were asking. It sounds like that is not what was taking place...more like Hamilton shooting fish in a barrel, instead of heading out to the lake and reeling in the big one we desperately needed.
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Tennessee tradition? What high dollar coach have we had in the past few years?

We all need to understand the position Mike Hamilton is in. He's got a few days to make a quality hire to salvage a decent recruiting class.

He's working with agents that know we are in a position of desperation. Leverage is not on our side. To lure any big name away is going to cost a lot of $$.

Muschamp: Would have cost big dollars to pull him out of his contract at the fake UT. He's contractually the coach in line. Still unproven as a head coach. Why risk big dollars on him?

Calhoun: Arguably a good for our program, but would have been a big name. He would have cost us a lot of dollars.

Cut: Why hire him when it would have been conceding we had a good thing going under the Fulmer years? The buyout of the current staff would have cost a fortune and we would have replaced it with much of the staff at Duke.

Willingham, Patterson: Unknowns in the SEC and would have taken a large contract to pull out of their security. It's the only way we could have gotten these guys to take on the risk.

It's delusional to believe that successful coaches in good programs are desperate or willing to step into the current mess UT is in after the Kiffin departure. MH took a swing at someone who has a good track record and may make an impact at UT.

We are in desperation mode. The hire made was a good value and a good risk. Big name does not necessarily mean success. Would you have put 4-6M on the line for an unknown?

Or go with a "big fish" and more $$ with the same amount of risk? I like the approach.

And Fulmer at AD would a train wreck. He was let go at UT for a reason. He was stale. Let's move on.
 
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#68
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Vercingetorix said:
He's a career position coach. He wasn't employed when we hired him. Look, I was a young impressionable kid when he was coaching all those guys that made us Wide Receiver U, and I was as thrilled as anybody to hear that he was coming back, and I loved his press conference as much as anybody, but there's just nothing in his resume to suggest that he's a head coach. And he's almost as old as Fulmer, so it's not like he's got a whole lot of upside. I think that the best and smartest move for Tennessee (once everybody turned us down) would have been for him to be interim coach for the 2010 season, so that we could have spent the whole year ready to be the first one out of the chute in the coaching carousel, but I don't know that he would have agreed to it, and once we embarked on a giant public coaching search, there was no way that was going to happen.
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I agree 100% , he woulda been perfect to hold down the fort so they coulda spent more time finding the perfect future coach. I think he woulda went with it ...like you said , he is a career position guy. He may have seen it as a big pay day and a chance to prove himself as a head guy
 
#70
#70
TENNaciousUTfan said:
I think he shoots for the low-budget targets as he thinks that is what Tennessee is...a lower tier SEC program.
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Even if I can afford the $50,000 car I might buy the $20,000 car - depending on which is a better value. I don't want to waste my money. Spending all your money unless you're sure you want it is not smart.
 
#71
#71
VolsRule said:
Dooley will bring in most of his la tech staff. He probably wants to clean house.
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I really hope not...I hope that he takes a look at who is currently in position before trying to bring in his staff. This had to be part of the negotations with MH. This was the main reason CUT did not come. Just hope we can salvage part of the recruiting class.:rock:
 
#72
#72
It wouldn't surprise me if he left, thompson either. I don't see Chaney sticking around. This thing is about to get blown up again. Sad for the players, their brains are mush having to take in some many different styles in so little time. It's a mess on Rocky Top.
 
#75
#75
I can't blame him, I saw Kippy interviews at 1 on govols, then about 30 mins later Dooley hired. Last night I read MH got on the plane after the interview to get Dooley, so I think the interview was just a formatility which to me would be a slap in the face. Hope he stays though!!
 
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