Kiffin's Subtle Hint Regarding the Gang of Three

#28
#28
vercingetorix said:
i'm not defending them. If it went down as the narrative has it, then not only should none of them ever see the inside of a ut locker room again, but they should spend some serious time in jail. I have zero tolerance for gun crime, and i don't want to see anybody who has committed one on the field again representing my alma mater.

All i'm saying is this: The incident was weird. The guy who had a gun pointed in his face has not subsequently acted like a guy who had a gun pointed in his face. ("i never felt threatened." "we didn't have any money, but we told them we had some cheeseburgers.") guys don't normally just make an impulsive, random decision to rob the guys who happen to be parked next to them in a crappy car at a quickie mart. Something is odd about this whole thing. I wanted kiffin to stand up in front of the cameras and kick these guys off the team by noon on thursday too, but the more i've read about it, the more i can see why he and hamilton have let this thing play out a few days before they act.

If an investigation determines that yes, these guys did go up to some other guys with a fake gun and demand all their money, then yes, throw them in jail and goodnight irene. I just believe in occam's razor, and occam says that something about this situation stinks.
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qfe
 
#29
#29
how about this: they were actually getting the marijuana from the people who were stuck up. my guess janzen was just being picked up from getting snacks or something from the quickie mart. nukeese and mike edwards decided they didn't want to pay for the pot and they stick them up with a pellet gun during the transaction. the guys that got stuck up decided to call the cops but were too stoned to realize when they're asked by the police what they stole they can't say "they stole my marijuana". janzen walked up on them doing this and got them to get in the car and go. the girl, well if i were her and knew what was going on, i would probably be laughing too. just my:twocents:
 
#30
#30
rmsmith said:
do you mean Miami?
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Why everytime people talk of bad programs or ones that have bad players they want to talk about miami. Get off of it. They had those problems in the mid 80s to early 90s. The since have cleaned it up and recently are a hell of a lot better than Florida and Fla st. But if UT had those problems like miami had then and dominated like they did I would not mind being thug ut for a little bit. But you would still have people like you who would never let it go.
 
#31
#31
bop_rocco said:
Why everytime people talk of bad programs or ones that have bad players they want to talk about miami. Get off of it. They had those problems in the mid 80s to early 90s. The since have cleaned it up and recently are a hell of a lot better than Florida and Fla st. But if UT had those problems like miami had then and dominated like they did I would not mind being thug ut for a little bit. But you would still have people like you who would never let it go.
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reputations are hard to shake.. especially when you get into a brawl like they did with a FIU.
 
#33
#33
A little fight on the field especially when the other team starts it is ok some time. Hell someone stomps on my teamate I'm going to take up for him. But anyways just can't stand people who live in the past. That was 20 years ago. Even so damn they were good. Wish we were there.
 
#34
#34
I can't see how it's Kiffin's decision. This will be tied up in the legal system for some time. How can Kiffin allow them back on the team pending a trial. Also, the University has the bigger decision. If you were a parent, would you want your kids on the same campus as these guys?
 
#35
#35
Vercingetorix said:
I'm not defending them. If it went down as the narrative has it, then not only should none of them ever see the inside of a UT locker room again, but they should spend some serious time in jail. I have zero tolerance for gun crime, and I don't want to see anybody who has committed one on the field again representing my alma mater.

All I'm saying is this: the incident was weird. The guy who had a gun pointed in his face has not subsequently acted like a guy who had a gun pointed in his face. ("I never felt threatened." "We didn't have any money, but we told them we had some cheeseburgers.") Guys don't normally just make an impulsive, random decision to rob the guys who happen to be parked next to them in a crappy car at a quickie mart. Something is odd about this whole thing. I wanted Kiffin to stand up in front of the cameras and kick these guys off the team by noon on Thursday too, but the more I've read about it, the more I can see why he and Hamilton have let this thing play out a few days before they act.

If an investigation determines that yes, these guys did go up to some other guys with a fake gun and demand all their money, then yes, throw them in jail and Goodnight Irene. I just believe in Occam's Razor, and Occam says that something about this situation stinks.
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Following Occam's theory...

It looks pretty cut and dry...

They pulled a gun, tried to rob a couple of people..

Time to cut 'em loose
 
#36
#36
vol_in_il said:
Following Occam's theory...

It looks pretty cut and dry...

They pulled a gun, tried to rob a couple of people..

Time to cut 'em loose
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All other explanations require quite a few assumptions, one of which would be that these three might tell the truth about it.
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#37
#37
When will Kiffin hold his presser announcing his decision about whether to suspend the 3 players?
 
#38
#38
The reason it is taking so long to take action is this: a couple of years ago Penn State kicked a guy off the team after he was arrested and charged with rape and some other stuff. He was acquitted of all charges, but by that time he hadn't played football for years. He is currently suing the university, the state, and a lot of other people for the millions of $ he could've made with an NFL career. UT does not want a repeat of this situation. As bad as this situation looks, we have to remember that these guys are innocent until proven guilty.

Ex-player files lawsuit | Penn State News | Local - Centre Daily Times
 
#39
#39
I am so pissed about this. :furious3: Stupid Stupid Stupid.

IMO, Suspend them from the team until the final outcome.

If found guilty, OFF the team - permanently. Let the Academic side determine whether or not they can continue on at UT.
 
#40
#40
mbushnell said:
The reason it is taking so long to take action is this: a couple of years ago Penn State kicked a guy off the team after he was arrested and charged with rape and some other stuff. He was acquitted of all charges, but by that time he hadn't played football for years. He is currently suing the university, the state, and a lot of other people for the millions of $ he could've made with an NFL career. UT does not want a repeat of this situation. As bad as this situation looks, we have to remember that these guys are innocent until proven guilty.

Ex-player files lawsuit | Penn State News | Local - Centre Daily Times
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Great post, makes sense.
 
#41
#41
Everyone's talking about the gun portion and forgetting about the drug portion. These guys ain't the boy scouts. Parting ways with such players would prove beneficial to the Vols in the long run. It's still about the team. Selfish, stupid, and criminal acts have no place on Rocky Top.
 
#43
#43
mbushnell said:
The reason it is taking so long to take action is this: a couple of years ago Penn State kicked a guy off the team after he was arrested and charged with rape and some other stuff. He was acquitted of all charges, but by that time he hadn't played football for years. He is currently suing the university, the state, and a lot of other people for the millions of $ he could've made with an NFL career. UT does not want a repeat of this situation. As bad as this situation looks, we have to remember that these guys are innocent until proven guilty.

Ex-player files lawsuit | Penn State News | Local - Centre Daily Times
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And a similar thing with the Duke LaCrosse team.
 
#44
#44
Vercingetorix said:
They are accused of felonies. Not quite the same thing.

I've said this in other threads, but IMO the reason it seems to be taking so long for Kiffin to act is the whole thing is too weird to just take at face value. Two guys just randomly decided to use a pellet gun to rob the stoners in the crappy car next to them? The guy who had a gun in his face says he never felt threatened, and offered them a cheeseburger instead of money? One of the bad guys was wearing a team freaking shirt, for chrissakes? The whole thing is just bizarre. I can see why Kiffin and Hamilton might want to let the cops do their thing for a few extra days before bringing the hammer down.
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Well Said!
 
#46
#46
mbushnell said:
The reason it is taking so long to take action is this: a couple of years ago Penn State kicked a guy off the team after he was arrested and charged with rape and some other stuff. He was acquitted of all charges, but by that time he hadn't played football for years. He is currently suing the university, the state, and a lot of other people for the millions of $ he could've made with an NFL career. UT does not want a repeat of this situation. As bad as this situation looks, we have to remember that these guys are innocent until proven guilty.

Ex-player files lawsuit | Penn State News | Local - Centre Daily Times
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+1 but I think Austin Scott still wouldn't made it in the league anyway, he was good in college not great.
 
#47
#47
Why is everyone so upset that CLK is collecting the information first before making a serious decision that will affect 3 peoples life? He can't make a quick decision before having all the facts plus he had a game to deal with first. Our previous coach would have let them play until it played out in court. CLK will make the right decision and announce it when he is ready (not when the fans or media want it done). I wouldn't be surprised if it comes on Monday.
 
#48
#48
Gen.Neyland said:
They need to be kicked off the team and out of school permanently! Let them transfer to Memphis - they'll fit in well there!
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I agree with "out of school permanently" and that is a decision that should be rendered by the NCAA and not just UT.

When they are dumped from our program, some scoundrel-run operation thriving on gangsters, hoodlums and street scum will welcome them in with open arms. Except for missing the last 2-3 games of this year there will be no punishment and we are talking about ARMED ROBBERY...
 
#49
#49
After the Duke Lacrosse incident a few years ago. Things like this will not be rushed into a judgement without knowing 100%. I wish JJ would be allowed to stay (especially after yesterday's defensive debacle), but think all three will be gone. I think CLK knows what he is going to do, but is not going to rush into anything.
 
#50
#50
Gen.Neyland said:
They need to be kicked off the team and out of school permanently! Let them transfer to Memphis - they'll fit in well there!
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Great story in the Memphis paper this morning about how Tommy West let this walk on play in the final home game and actually scored a touchdown. I know all you hard asses are gonna rip the story just like you do Memphis in general... but it really is what college athletics is supposed to be about... The kid walked on.. just wanted to be a part of the program.. even if he didn't play. So they built an option play for him.. of course he kept it.. and scored. Good for him. It's so much nicer to hear about that than to read about the 3 amigos... er... felons... or the H"eyes"man candidate from Florida for a change. Fire away.
 
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