Kiffin's Got A Lot To Prove

#76
#76
voldoc82 said:
Thanks for your informed analysis. I'll add it to the rest of the simpleton-generated garbage heap that's pervaded this site recently.
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I was supporting the Vols and going to games when you were still crapping yellow in your diaper and have seen every coaching staff since Bowden Wyatt so I think I am better informed than you could ever hope to be. Now go play with what Santa brought and leave the football discussions to the grown ups.
 
#77
#77
I think he proved a good deal with a patch work OL and an extremely depleted LB corps.

I swear the emotional rollercoasters that some fans are on makes me sick.
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#78
#78
As I keep reading the somber declaration many have made that, "VA Tech is simply a better team than us," I can't help revisiting the games the Vols and Hokies played against the team who may be the next national champion in a few days. Did we not play Bama to the very wire and put up at least as impressive a performance, if not more so, against them than did VA Tech? I concur with the wisdom in the "on any given day" school of thought, and maybe we were just more motivated against the Tide, but I am surprised we would have had a problem getting up for that game yesterday.

I guess my point is that it seems we showed at least more preparedness against Bama than we did yesterday, if not more capability and potential. So what is the difference in that game and the bowl game yesterday? In light of this, it's difficult for me to say that we simply weren't good enough to go toe-to-toe with Tech. It is most likely, I think, a matter of preparation, which includes motivating a team to play their best ball against each and every opponent. So I think the bulk of the blame is on the coaching staff, on whose shoulders the motivation of a team falls.
 
#79
#79
Fulmer left little talent to win these big games. Kiffin will load up with 5 star talent and start winning big soon---bank on it.
 
#81
#81
All Vol! said:
As I keep reading the somber declaration many have made that, "VA Tech is simply a better team than us," I can't help revisiting the games the Vols and Hokies played against the team who may be the next national champion in a few days. Did we not play Bama to the very wire and put up at least as impressive a performance, if not more so, against them than did VA Tech? I concur with the wisdom in the "on any given day" school of thought, and maybe we were just more motivated against the Tide, but I am surprised we would have had a problem getting up for that game yesterday.

I guess my point is that it seems we showed at least more preparedness against Bama than we did yesterday, if not more capability and potential. So what is the difference in that game and the bowl game yesterday? In light of this, it's difficult for me to say that we simply weren't good enough to go toe-to-toe with Tech. It is most likely, I think, a matter of preparation, which includes motivating a team to play their best ball against each and every opponent. So I think the bulk of the blame is on the coaching staff, on whose shoulders the motivation of a team falls.
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You make some valid points...obviously, we didn't look motivated from the onset. This is basically the same OL that has played the whole season and they were dominated like no other time this season. We looked very slow and had no answer for anything they did. We didn't look very prepared on either side of the ball and the play calling was questionable at times. I have to give their staff credit...they looked hungrier and more prepared.
 
#82
#82
56 VOL said:
I was supporting the Vols and going to games when you were still crapping yellow in your diaper and have seen every coaching staff since Bowden Wyatt so I think I am better informed than you could ever hope to be. Now go play with what Santa brought and leave the football discussions to the grown ups.
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I'll remember that when I'm managing your failing health. Just kidding.:) Your tenure of support is admirable, but your analysis is still worthless.
 
#83
#83
56 VOL said:
I was supporting the Vols and going to games when you were still crapping yellow in your diaper and have seen every coaching staff since Bowden Wyatt so I think I am better informed than you could ever hope to be. Now go play with what Santa brought and leave the football discussions to the grown ups.
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Oh and one more thing, the fact that you think crap is yellow further invalidates anything you say or analyze.
 
#84
#84
PPPpartsp3 said:
I swear, most of our fans are just stupid. How they can't see this and blame Kiffin is so funny. The person to blame for that is Failmer, as he let his twin Beamer out recruit him. Its laughable.
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I'm not gonna be the one to call others stupid....you've already done that....but look at the recruiting rankings on Beamer vs. Fulmer. Fulmer brought in better classes every year. Think before you post.
 
#85
#85
All Vol! said:
As I keep reading the somber declaration many have made that, "VA Tech is simply a better team than us," I can't help revisiting the games the Vols and Hokies played against the team who may be the next national champion in a few days. Did we not play Bama to the very wire and put up at least as impressive a performance, if not more so, against them than did VA Tech? I concur with the wisdom in the "on any given day" school of thought, and maybe we were just more motivated against the Tide, but I am surprised we would have had a problem getting up for that game yesterday.

I guess my point is that it seems we showed at least more preparedness against Bama than we did yesterday, if not more capability and potential. So what is the difference in that game and the bowl game yesterday? In light of this, it's difficult for me to say that we simply weren't good enough to go toe-to-toe with Tech. It is most likely, I think, a matter of preparation, which includes motivating a team to play their best ball against each and every opponent. So I think the bulk of the blame is on the coaching staff, on whose shoulders the motivation of a team falls.
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The AL game wasn't the awesome performance our fans have made it out to be. McElroy was a disaster during that stretch, we needed a late fumble, miracle catch and recovered an onside kick to make it even respectable. Otherwise, we score nearly none. AL's O sucked against us. Our D was decent, but their lack of a TE hurt badly.
 
#86
#86
rockytophigh said:
I'm not gonna be the one to call others stupid....you've already done that....but look at the recruiting rankings on Beamer vs. Fulmer. Fulmer brought in better classes every year. Think before you post.
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What remains of those classes? The collection of ability from the 3 years preceding Kiffin's first is ludicrous. Had Dan Williams not blown up, it would be Berry and mediocrity.
 
#87
#87
BigPapaVol said:
The AL game wasn't the awesome performance our fans have made it out to be. McElroy was a disaster during that stretch, we needed a late fumble, miracle catch and recovered an onside kick to make it even respectable. Otherwise, we score nearly none. AL's O sucked against us. Our D was decent, but their lack of a TE hurt badly.
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If Lincoln made an earlier field goal, we would have rushed the punt and gotten the penalty to continue Auburn's drive.
 
#88
#88
BigPapaVol said:
What remains of those classes? The collection of ability from the 3 years preceding Kiffin's first is ludicrous. Had Dan Williams not blown up, it would be Berry and mediocrity.
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Oh I agree there's nothing left....and Fulmer & Co. never did even a mediocre job at developing the talent they brought in. It's just wrong to say Beamer had been bringing in more talent than Fulmer. I
 
#89
#89
rockytophigh said:
I'm not gonna be the one to call others stupid....you've already done that....but look at the recruiting rankings on Beamer vs. Fulmer. Fulmer brought in better classes every year. Think before you post.
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I was thinking the same thing. VT is usually 10-20 rankings down from UT
 
#90
#90
rockytophigh said:
Oh I agree there's nothing left....and Fulmer & Co. never did even a mediocre job at developing the talent they brought in. It's just wrong to say Beamer had been bringing in more talent than Fulmer. I
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It's not wrong to say he brought more talent in, it can still be subjective. Just because Rivals and Scout tell you one class averaged 3.5 stars and one class averaged 3.48 stars, are you seriously going to say that it's cut and dry that Tennessee brought in better players?

Sure, development was a problem for Fulmer but his ability and his staff's ability to actually evaluate that talent may have been pretty off too, and just because these players got recruited by Tennessee they might have had a star or two tacked onto to their real abilities.
 
#91
#91
PPPpartsp3 said:
I just wish these average joes could understand that UT was physically dominated at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. VT due to better recruiting the last few years was a lot better than UT. It doesn't matter what scheme is used, if one team can line up, and just hand the ball off and run for 8 to 10 yards over and over again, you are going to lose. Also, if your offensive line can not keep the defenders off your QB, you will get beat. Its really simple.
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I completely agree that we were dominated on both sides of the ball up front. I just don't understand why. We held our own against 2 #1 teams on their home field. It just doesn't make sense why we were manhandled like we were.
 
#92
#92
vols-1 said:
I was thinking the same thing. VT is usually 10-20 rankings down from UT
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Scout and Rivals never tell you the whole story as to who has the talent advantage in a game. Too much subjectivity involved.
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#93
#93
He seems to have real trouble with the spread and off balance offenses and does pretty good with pro style offenses,but he is nearly 70 and one has wonder has he lost his mojo.
 
#94
#94
OrangeUTopia said:
I thought he was on the right right track, but now I really don't know.
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It's one game man.

Kiffin does have a lot to prove, just like any other coach in the SEC.

I remember talking to some fellow fans about Urban Meyer when he got hired. I expressed how I was scared of how good Florida was going to be next year and the response from everyone I was talking to said "No. He has not proven himself and he wont be successful in the SEC." Now 5 (or 6) years later he is viewed as one of the most successful coaches in the country.

In the SEC - and especially at UT - nothing but an SEC or national championship is good enough and the coach is only as good as his last game. The fans love you..... as long as you win.....

If we won last night (which we shouldn't have, because VT was CLEARLY a better, more talented team), this place would be a Kiffin love fest.
 
#95
#95
Guys rest assured we are the right track with the Lane Train. What do you expect when Fulmer leaves us so thin at every position. We haven't had a decent recruiting class in the last five years until Kiffen shows up last year. Support this staff they have us heading in the right direction.
 
#97
#97
We lost this game because both our O and D lines were dominated. There is no shame in losing to VT, they were the better team, plain and simple. How quickly people forget we were 5-7 last year and didnt make a bowl. Rome wasnt built in a day.
 
#98
#98
I for one, had no illusion that we would even be competitive in the CFA Bowl. Anyone who thought we would be has to check themselves. We're unranked and not receiving votes for anything. Yet, we played a good #11 team. Think about that. The ONLY reason we got the CFA Bowl was to generate revenue for the bowl, which we did.

Well played by the CFA Bowl, but we were way overmatched.
 
#100
#100
rexvol said:
We lost this game because both our O and D lines were dominated. There is no shame in losing to VT, they were the better team, plain and simple. How quickly people forget we were 5-7 last year and didnt make a bowl. Rome wasnt built in a day.
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This.
 
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