Kiffin's Evaluation of Stephens.....

[TennesseeT]

Yes, but finding that one gem that really enjoys being "pimped" on an internet site, is one in a million
"You Da Man!"

Yeah that's what I did. Hey, don't be mad at me cause you're stuck with the Palmer sisters.

 

[VolDad]

There's an article up on the main page about practice yesterday. In it Kiffin says something about the "quaterbacks" (notice plural) looked good today and "they" (plural again) did good in the red zone. This entire time Kiffin has said the QBs were neck and neck and has always said the competition is very close. If your #1 isn't carrying practice into games and you are losing with him at the healm, why wouldn't you try #2? How stubborn can this guy be?

IMO - When he pulls JC, JC is done for the year. He is a head case and could not return. This leaves you with NS and Lamaison. You ready to finish the year with that?

 

[TennesseeT]

IMO - When he pulls JC, JC is done for the year. He is a head case and could not return. This leaves you with NS and Lamaison. You ready to finish the year with that?

Absolutely! I honestly think with JC under center the Vols only beat Memphis and either UK or Vandy but not both. That's just the way I see it based on JC's performances from last season, this season, the burden he places on the defense, and the obvious tension he causes between the receivers.

Last year though JC returned after losing the job and looked slightly better than before he was benched.

I don't know maybe they find something with the no huddle offense but if that doesn't work it's even less rest for the D.

I'll watch Saturday and cheer for the Vols as always. The team desperatley needs something positive to happen.

 

[UT's#1Fan]

IMO - When he pulls JC, JC is done for the year. He is a head case and could not return. This leaves you with NS and Lamaison. You ready to finish the year with that?

Yes. At worst we'll lose the same amount of game if JC was in there.

Absolutely! I honestly think with JC under center the Vols only beat Memphis and either UK or Vandy but not both. That's just the way I see it based on JC's performances from last season, this season, the burden he places on the defense, and the obvious tension he causes between the receivers.

Last year though JC returned after losing the job and looked slightly better than before he was benched.

I don't know maybe they find something with the no huddle offense but if that doesn't work it's even less rest for the D.

I'll watch Saturday and cheer for the Vols as always. The team desperatley needs something positive to happen.

Agreed. I just don't see us winning more than 5 wins with JC. So why not start NS. I'll say this, if CLK gets his way, and JC rides this thing into the ground... CLK will have TOUGH off season. Especially if we have no shot at being bowl eligible and Crompton is STILL the starter?

VD, let’s say JC leads Tennessee to a 3-7 record by the time we host Vandy, do you then agree we start NS, and furthermore, do you not feel fans should have a gripe for why CLK didn't start NS sooner?

 

[sjt18]

FWIW, the GVX report on practice made a point to say "the quarterbacks" worked extra with the receivers. To me, there seemed to be a subtle hint there.

FTR, I don't think CLK is in for a rough off season unless UT starts having alot of discipline problems or recruiting takes a nose dive.... and CLK IS GOING TO GET HIS WAY. That's part of his privilege and responsibility as HC...

You just keep giving hints that your ire is directly related to the fact that CLK doesn't share your opinion or personal bias against Crompton. You simply can't accept that CLK is doing what is best for the program based on what HE knows... most of which you DON'T know... can you?

 

[sjt18]

There's an article up on the main page about practice yesterday. In it Kiffin says something about the "quaterbacks" (notice plural) looked good today and "they" (plural again) did good in the red zone.

I noticed that. A message is being sent to someone.

If your #1 isn't carrying practice into games and you are losing with him at the healm, why wouldn't you try #2? How stubborn can this guy be?

That's a ridiculous assertion. It doesn't have to be stubbornous at all. It doesn't even have to be that JC is better than NS in practice or anywhere else. It CAN be a simple recognition that the WR's on this team are as much if not more of a problem than the QB's.

I held my nose and watched the first half of Auburn again last night. If the same passes had been thrown at the same time and place to say.... Meachem/Smith/Swain rather than the current guys... JC would have been around 60% in the first half.

These WR's simply aren't running SEC caliber routes and making SEC caliber catches. JC also seems to throw the ball hard... but that's what you have to do when your WR's don't have the athleticism or size to create space and you don't have a true marquees receiver.

I like NS as well as JC... maybe better because of arm strength. But I don't think switching QB's is going to have the dramatic effect many of you think.

 

[VolDad]

Yes. At worst we'll lose the same amount of game if JC was in there.

This means that you are ready to finish the year without a back-up (because according to reports Lamaison is not ready). Do you think that is smart?


Agreed. I just don't see us winning more than 5 wins with JC. So why not start NS. I'll say this, if CLK gets his way, and JC rides this thing into the ground... CLK will have TOUGH off season. Especially if we have no shot at being bowl eligible and Crompton is STILL the starter?

VD, let’s say JC leads Tennessee to a 3-7 record by the time we host Vandy, do you then agree we start NS, and furthermore, do you not feel fans should have a gripe for why CLK didn't start NS sooner?

No. I give CLK a pass for this year. I went into the year expecting it to be a rebuilding year. These are Fulmers players. He is doing the best he can with the hand that is dealt him. The minute he starts playing players because of fan pressure is the minute I lose all respect for him and the minute he needs to be fired.

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[NYYVol]

I noticed that. A message is being sent to someone.

That's a ridiculous assertion. It doesn't have to be stubbornous at all. It doesn't even have to be that JC is better than NS in practice or anywhere else. It CAN be a simple recognition that the WR's on this team are as much if not more of a problem than the QB's.

I held my nose and watched the first half of Auburn again last night. If the same passes had been thrown at the same time and place to say.... Meachem/Smith/Swain rather than the current guys... JC would have been around 60% in the first half.

These WR's simply aren't running SEC caliber routes and making SEC caliber catches. JC also seems to throw the ball hard... but that's what you have to do when your WR's don't have the athleticism or size to create space and you don't have a true marquees receiver.

I like NS as well as JC... maybe better because of arm strength. But I don't think switching QB's is going to have the dramatic effect many of you think.

I don't think there would be any physical difference.

However, I do believe that NS is stronger mentally than JC is.

But that's the problem of having two terrible QB's.
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[hgbaseball10]

Did you watch the wyoming game last year stephens threw the ball and the guy tipped it up in the air and took it back for 6 and stephens just stood there and didnt try to do anything to the guy. Crompton sucks i know that but he doesnt just give up on plays like stephens did in the wyoming game and south carolina game last year.

 

[sjt18]

I don't think either guy is "terrible"... and especially not from a physical talent standpoint. I think there are alot of problems with the passing game that compound one another. JC hasn't played well. He's made bad choices and I still have lingering doubts about his psychological ability to handle game pressure. But you give him Swain, Smith, and Meachem as his WR's... and we're not having this conversation.

This team has not had a WR emerge as a #1, SEC caliber threat... if they even have anyone capable of it. You have a bunch of guys who would make great #2 WR's if UT had a #1 like Meachem, Stallworth, Price, et al. But none of these guys cause DC's to gameplan for them... and they aren't playing well enough as a group to do it either.

 

[hgbaseball10]

And how is Kiffin a bad coach the offense already look twice as good as last years. You cant coach throwing the ball behind the recievers and when a guy is wide open in the back of the inzone to throw in the stands. When crompton is gone you will beable to see how good kiffin is.

 

[BigPapaVol]

I don't think either guy is "terrible"... and especially not from a physical talent standpoint. I think there are alot of problems with the passing game that compound one another. JC hasn't played well. He's made bad choices and I still have lingering doubts about his psychological ability to handle game pressure. But you give him Swain, Smith, and Meachem as his WR's... and we're not having this conversation.

This team has not had a WR emerge as a #1, SEC caliber threat... if they even have anyone capable of it. You have a bunch of guys who would make great #2 WR's if UT had a #1 like Meachem, Stallworth, Price, et al. But none of these guys cause DC's to gameplan for them... and they aren't playing well enough as a group to do it either.

the receiving corps is rough, but the bolded piece is just fantasy. Crossing routes repeatedly behind receivers, inaccuracy and high throws over the middle are just killers.

 

[NYYVol]

I don't think either guy is "terrible"... and especially not from a physical talent standpoint. I think there are alot of problems with the passing game that compound one another. JC hasn't played well. He's made bad choices and I still have lingering doubts about his psychological ability to handle game pressure. But you give him Swain, Smith, and Meachem as his WR's... and we're not having this conversation.

This team has not had a WR emerge as a #1, SEC caliber threat... if they even have anyone capable of it. You have a bunch of guys who would make great #2 WR's if UT had a #1 like Meachem, Stallworth, Price, et al. But none of these guys cause DC's to gameplan for them... and they aren't playing well enough as a group to do it either.

I agree that the WR corps is not helping in any way...

And Crompton has a lot of talent physically, but emotionally he is a wreck.

That's why I think he's a terrible QB.
And the fact NS can't beat out a terrible QB in practice automatically puts him in the terrible category too by default.
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[teeball]

If NS is best, then why isn't he playing?

(I keep asking you "changers" and nobody answers)

Only Kiffin can answer that question and he's not talking. In regards to those that use the argument that NS shouldn't play (AT ALL apparently) because he can't outperform JC in practice I submit to you that NS gets very little attention at practice. He practices with the second team most of the time, the second team often practices on the opposite end of the field from the first team and I suspect CLK is spending the majority of his time (as he should) with the first team.

The bottom line is I doubt if NS truly gets a serious look from CLK. What I and many others on these boards can't comprehend is why CLK won't give NS at least a series or two occassionally. If for nothing more than to rest Crompton, or to let Crompton think about his current game performance, or to give the opposing team something else to think about or to possibily energize a stagnant offense. Substituting a new QB is certainly not anything new to the game, it's been done by many successfull coaches over time (Stevie Superior certainly comes to mind) so why won't CLK give a little in this area ... I dunno ... but I would certainly like to see NS given a few series just to shake things up a bit.

Go Vols !!!

 

[BigPapaVol]

What I and many others on these boards can't comprehend is why CLK won't give NS at least a series or two occassionally. If for nothing more than to rest Crompton, or to let Crompton think about his current game performance, or to give the opposing team something else to think about or to possibily energize a stagnant offense. Substituting a new QB is certainly not anything new to the game, it's been done by many successfull coaches over time (Stevie Superior certainly comes to mind) so why won't CLK give a little in this area ... I dunno ... but I would certainly like to see NS given a few series just to shake things up a bit.

Go Vols !!!

that's funny.

The shuffling QBs deal is far more often disastrous than it is successful. Do you not recall that we have tried it 3 times this decade, to poor results each time? Amazingly enough, one of those shuffles involved NS and it turned out poorly.

 

[The General]

.... is that Crompton looks better in practice.

So, all Stephens has to do is look better in practice than Crompton.

If he can't do that, then he deserves to be on the bench.

 

[Weems]

UT Martin will take him. Then you can brag about how great his stats are next year.

We would love him to take him.

 

[UT's#1Fan]

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NS is a back up, by definition only.

Kiffin knows he's getting a pass for this season. So he's going to do what he thinks is best for the future, even if it means compromising the present.

Also, I’m not sure if you answered my question about starting NS if we're 3-7 going into the Vandy game.

 

[timmy]

There's an article up on the main page about practice yesterday. In it Kiffin says something about the "quaterbacks" (notice plural) looked good today and "they" (plural again) did good in the red zone. This entire time Kiffin has said the QBs were neck and neck and has always said the competition is very close. If your #1 isn't carrying practice into games and you are losing with him at the healm, why wouldn't you try #2? How stubborn can this guy be?

Why would you let an opposing team know your backup QB is horrible? Also, why would you tell your backup QB he's horrible?

 

[JohnWardForever]

.... is that Crompton looks better in practice. But he hasn't let Stephens play 1 down this year in a game. So how can Kiffin assume Crompton is better than Stephens in a game? If Kiffin is going by last year, then that doesn't make sense either. Both QB's were bad, and Crompton played more than Stephens in 2008. Stephens probably won't do any better, but why not find out? Don't use that tired excuse of trying to build up Crompton's confidence. That ship has sailed. If nothing else happens, at least Stephens will have some experience, since it looks like he is our QB next year. As it stands now, I wouldn't blame Stephens for telling Kiffin to kiss his ass,and leaving for another school.

Making a valid point is not tolerated in here--DYK?

Cromp has lost 2 for us so far, that is NOT debatable.

 

[UT's#1Fan]

Only Kiffin can answer that question and he's not talking. In regards to those that use the argument that NS shouldn't play (AT ALL apparently) because he can't outperform JC in practice I submit to you that NS gets very little attention at practice. He practices with the second team most of the time, the second team often practices on the opposite end of the field from the first team and I suspect CLK is spending the majority of his time (as he should) with the first team.

The bottom line is I doubt if NS truly gets a serious look from CLK. What I and many others on these boards can't comprehend is why CLK won't give NS at least a series or two occassionally. If for nothing more than to rest Crompton, or to let Crompton think about his current game performance, or to give the opposing team something else to think about or to possibily energize a stagnant offense. Substituting a new QB is certainly not anything new to the game, it's been done by many successfull coaches over time (Stevie Superior certainly comes to mind) so why won't CLK give a little in this area ... I dunno ... but I would certainly like to see NS given a few series just to shake things up a bit.

Go Vols !!!

I think they're going to stick with the, "whole team gather on the sidelines in a circle and get pumped up, but the only one that really needs to get his ____ together is JC," approach to getting the team energized.

 

[VolDad]

NS is a back up, by definition only.

Kiffin knows he's getting a pass for this season. So he's going to do what he thinks is best for the future, even if it means compromising the present.

Also, I’m not sure if you answered my question about starting NS if we're 3-7 going into the Vandy game.

Your questions - VD, (1) let’s say JC leads Tennessee to a 3-7 record by the time we host Vandy, do you then agree we start NS, and (2) furthermore, do you not feel fans should have a gripe for why CLK didn't start NS sooner?

1) I don’t care who he starts this year (JC, NS, Smokie, Layla) I don’t care. All I know is that whoever he starts this year will not be starting next year. This is a rebuilding year and he is doing the best he can with the cards that have been dealt him. This year is not representative of years to come.

2) No, fans have no gripe for when/if NS plays. NS is not our future and the fact that our situation has sunk so low that fans are clamoring for him says a lot about the sad state our program was allowed to sink to under the previous staff. Isn’t that why we brought this group in? Yet you don’t want them to do what they think it takes to correct the situation.

 

[UT's#1Fan]

Making a valid point is not tolerated in here--DYK?

Cromp has lost 2 for us so far, that is NOT debatable.

lol, yea, logic has no point in this argument.

GET OUT OF HERE LOGIC, FACTS, VALID POINTS!!! No, no, you can stay naive, blind faith, orange Kool-Aid and goggles, and gullible.

 

[BigPapaVol]

lol, yea, logic has no point in this argument.

GET OUT OF HERE LOGIC, FACTS, VALID POINTS!!! No, no, you can stay naive, blind faith, orange Kool-Aid and goggles, and gullible.

did you really say someone else sounding like a broken record earlier?

 

[UT's#1Fan]

Your questions - VD, (1) let’s say JC leads Tennessee to a 3-7 record by the time we host Vandy, do you then agree we start NS, and (2) furthermore, do you not feel fans should have a gripe for why CLK didn't start NS sooner?

1) I don’t care who he starts this year (JC, NS, Smokie, Layla) I don’t care. All I know is that whoever he starts this year will not be starting next year. This is a rebuilding year and he is doing the best he can with the cards that have been dealt him. This year is not representative of years to come.

2) No, fans have no gripe for when/if NS plays. NS is not our future and the fact that our situation has sunk so low that fans are clamoring for him says a lot about the sad state our program was allowed to sink to under the previous staff. Isn’t that why we brought this group in? Yet you don’t want them to do what they think it takes to correct the situation.

thanks, I disagree though that whoever starts this year won't next year. If anyhting put NL in there is NS doesnt look like the guy. NL is CLK's recruit, if he sucks, then we have a problem. I truly feel CLK is just hoping NS quits, i'm serious. NS has to know by now he'll never be the guy.