Kiffin's 2009 class is in shambles

#76
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SGMVols said:
Exactly. If Dooley were to leave after next season, is there anyone here who seriously wouldn't expect a ton of attrition from the class he just signed?
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Not nearly as much. Totally different recruiting tactics. Dooley sold these kids on playing for the university. Kiffin sold them on playing for him and O and telling them we will have a wild and crazy time for 3 years and then I will get you drafted.
 
#77
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therickbol said:
Not nearly as much. Totally different recruiting tactics. Dooley sold these kids on playing for the university. Kiffin sold them on playing for him and O and telling them we will have a wild and crazy time for 3 years and then I will get you drafted.
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There is no chance in Hell that Dooley didn't try to sell recruits on himself and his staff in addition to UT. No coach ever sells the university alone, especially those at schools that have to get 75% of their players from other states due to poor depth of in-state talent (I.e. players who didn't grow up fans of said school).
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SGMVols said:
I'm pretty sure the '09 and '10 teams posted better records than the '08 team.
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:lolabove: The '09 and '10 teams overachieved and won 7 games and 6 games. The '08 team vastly underachieved and won 5. I'm pretty sure the talent level on the '08 team was much better than '09 or '10. Using your logic would be like saying we were more talented than Texas this year.
 
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#80
I was on the bandwagon when he was here, but Kiffin leaving our school was the BEST thing that could've possibly happened for several reasons. Those of you who continue this Lane Kiffin love fest can go be his fan for another year or two at USC until he gets fired from there and can't get another head coaching gig.
 
#82
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SGMVols said:
There is no chance in Hell that Dooley didn't try to sell recruits on himself and his staff in addition to UT. No coach ever sells the university alone, especially those at schools that have to get 75% of their players from other states due to poor depth of in-state talent (I.e. players who didn't grow up fans of said school).
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I'd just like to know objectively how the hell either of you know what exactly is said, is it past experience as a recruiter or just what the ncaa video games tell you lol......sarcasm sorry had to
 
#83
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trevols81 said:
There were more commits than just Boyd. Please just go to USC.
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How can I forget Damien Thigpen, Jarvis Giles, Aubrey Phillips, and Bryce Petty? Maybe because none of them have done anything of significance.
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SGMVols said:
How can I forget Damien Thigpen, Jarvis Giles, Aubrey Phillips, and Bryce Petty? Maybe because none of them have done anything of significance.
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Dude, continuing to bash Fulmer recruits still doesn't make Kiffin recruits any better. Classic debate strategy called diversion. Its a nice tactic but it doesn't win you many arguments.

Respond to LV's post that is quoted below. It has been the strongest posting in this entire thread. This is the crux of the whole argument. The majority of the attrition from the Kiffin class would have taken place whether Kiffin was here or not. They didn't just leave because he did. They left because they were thugs, busts, or head-cases....

Lord Vader said:
Brown is the only one who really left after Kiffin did. Oku stayed around a year and was terrible so he decided to go. Nuke and Edwards were kicked off for armed robbery. Askew was kicked off because he didn't put forth any effort. Green never made it in. Myles was kicked off for hitting a cop. Janzen has decided to leave because of his own "personal issues."

This is a different kind of attrition. But keep spinning. It's hilarious.
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Vols033 said:
I was on the bandwagon when he was here, but Kiffin leaving our school was the BEST thing that could've possibly happened for several reasons. Those of you who continue this Lane Kiffin love fest can go be his fan for another year or two at USC until he gets fired from there and can't get another head coaching gig.
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Yep...Mike Garrett and Pete Carroll can fight over the trophy for most beloved man in Knoxville.
 
#86
#86
I know there's an entertainment factor in seeing how ridiculous SGM's and like minded Kiffin lovers will go with their rationalizations... but I hope none of you seriously believe SGM is going to give it up. He will not admit that Kiffin isn't the greatest, has ever done anything wrong, or is in any way at fault for anything at UT.
 
#87
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SGMVols said:
Yeah, those guys sure are tearing it up where they landed. I'm stunned that Tajh Boyd isn't on the Heisman watch list.
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Boyd is set to be starting for Clemson next year as a redshirt sophomore; that's better than not even being on the roster.

Morgan Moses started this year as a freshman for Virginia; he will be a first round prospect some day. Also better than not even being on the roster.

Marlon Brown is likely to start at Georgia next year. Also better than not even being on the roster.

Shackleford has been an impact player from day 1 with Ole Miss, slowed only by injury. Also better than not even being on the roster.

D.J. Swearinger will be a likely starter next year at South Carolina. Also better than not even being on the roster.

I'd take any of the 5 over Nuke, Edwards, Brown & Myles.
 
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SGMVols said:
How can I forget Damien Thigpen, Jarvis Giles, Aubrey Phillips, and Bryce Petty? Maybe because none of them have done anything of significance.
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But you can forget Morgan Moses, D.T. Shackleford, Marlon Brown, D.J. Swearinger, and the fact Boyd is likely to start next year at Clemson.
 
#89
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SGMVols said:
Exactly. If Dooley were to leave after next season, is there anyone here who seriously wouldn't expect a ton of attrition from the class he just signed?
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Name one SEC coach who had the attrition level of Kiffin of 4/5* recruits in a similar time period? You can't. Saban didn't lose massive number of 4/5* recruits at either LSU or Alabama; nor did Meyer at Florida; nor did Richt at Georgia; nor did Chizik at Auburn. Kiffin set records in each of the following:

1) Highest attrition level over an 18 month period of 4/5* recruits inherited on a roster in modern SEC history;
2) Highest attrition level over an 18 month period of his own 4/5* recruits in modern SEC history; and
3) Quickest and most extensive NCAA sanctions inquiry for recruiting misconduct in the shortest period of time in modern SEC history.
 
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VegasVol said:
Boyd is set to be starting for Clemson next year as a redshirt sophomore; that's better than not even being on the roster.

Morgan Moses started this year as a freshman for Virginia; he will be a first round prospect some day. Also better than not even being on the roster.

Marlon Brown is likely to start at Georgia next year. Also better than not even being on the roster.

Shackleford has been an impact player from day 1 with Ole Miss, slowed only by injury. Also better than not even being on the roster.

D.J. Swearinger will be a likely starter next year at South Carolina. Also better than not even being on the roster.

I'd take any of the 5 over Nuke, Edwards, Brown & Myles.
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And there's no guarantee you'd get any of them other than Boyd and DT had Phil stayed.
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kptvol said:
Doubt it after Fulmer throws Clawson and Scott out to save himself.
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This. Also how is Peter White doing? LWS said he was coming here if fulmer stayed
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VOLNBAMA said:
This. Also how is Peter White doing? LWS said he was coming here if fulmer stayed
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RS Sophomore at Maryland; competing for starting position next season. Also better than a player not even on the roster.
 
#98
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VolInMusicCity said:
Dude, continuing to bash Fulmer recruits still doesn't make Kiffin recruits any better. Classic debate strategy called diversion. Its a nice tactic but it doesn't win you many arguments.

Respond to LV's post that is quoted below. It has been the strongest posting in this entire thread. This is the crux of the whole argument. The majority of the attrition from the Kiffin class would have taken place whether Kiffin was here or not. They didn't just leave because he did. They left because they were thugs, busts, or head-cases....
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Don't even bother. MSG is hatvol Millenium Edition: all of the sanctimonious BS, none of the wit, and (what you would think would be) a humiliating ineptitude at constructing a rebuttal to any coherent argument which counters his point of view.

This is why he selectively answers posts, and most of those answers consist of a one- or two-liner. It's far more entertaining if you just sit back and watch the show.
 
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Vols033 said:
I was on the bandwagon when he was here, but Kiffin leaving our school was the BEST thing that could've possibly happened for several reasons. Those of you who continue this Lane Kiffin love fest can go be his fan for another year or two at USC until he gets fired from there and can't get another head coaching gig.
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There's always ESPN...

:eek:lol: :post-4-1090547912:
 
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