Kiffin throws Lincoln under the bus?

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lawgator1 said:
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Maybe I am reading too much into it but at least it's a football discussion. The rest of these "true fans" would rather talk about what color shirt Kiffin is wearing to the game Saturday so they can make sure they match.

Or we can always talk about the "blackout" or what Fulmer is doing now! :good!:
 
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TennesseeT said:
Maybe I am reading too much into it but at least it's a football discussion. The rest of these "true fans" would rather talk about what color shirt Kiffin is wearing to the game Saturday so they can make sure they match.

Or we can always talk about the "blackout" or what Fulmer is doing now! :good!:
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CLK has not thrown any players under the bus
You on the other hand have attacked every move CLK has made since his hiring.
Fulmer is gone, if he was the reason you were a vol fan, then you stop being a fan.
Reading articles and taking things out of context to try and prove a point is very tacky and obvious of what your intentions are.
 
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GmanTN said:
CLK has not thrown any players under the bus
You on the other hand have attacked every move CLK has made since his hiring.
Fulmer is gone, if he was the reason you were a vol fan, then you stop being a fan.
Reading articles and taking things out of context to try and prove a point is very tacky and obvious of what your intentions are.
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Speak what you know BOY! I have no intentions. What, I questioned the whole Crompton over Stephens decision? Is that what you're referring to? Big deal so did half the board. I admitted I was wrong after the UGA game. And to tell somebody you don't know to stop being a fan is tacky.
 
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Hey guys,

Wes Rucker from the TFP here. Got a lot of emails on this topic today, presumably from some people on this board, because a couple of people sent me a link to this thread.

I decided it would be easier to register and post this here than write several versions of the same email, or copy/paste a bland response.

Kiffin absolutely, without question, said he would have run another play had he known about the injury. And at least one trainer knew, because Daniel Lincoln was given medicine for treatment just before kickoff.

Here is the Q-and-A part of Kiffin's Sunday night interview about the kicking situation.

Q: Were you aware that Lincoln had re-tweaked his quad?
KIFFIN: "No. He didn't say anything about it. That's normal with our players. They're so competitive that a lot of times when something happens, they don't want to say because they're afraid they're going to be taken out and so they want to fight through things. That's pretty normal for that to happen."

Q: But you chart him in pregame to know where he can kick from every Saturday, right?
KIFFIN: "Yeah, we go both ways and so we'll have a number. I'll always have a number. Chaney will have it upstairs and will remind me during the series, 'You've got to get the 26 here, or the 29 there,' just depending on which way you're going."

Q: Did Lincoln say anything after being short on the 47-yard kick?
KIFFIN: "No. No, he didn't say anything. But I would kind of expect that. He's a competitive kid, and you know, it's just an unfortunate deal."

Q: Would you have run another play if you'd known?
KIFFIN: "Yeah, I think if he were to have told me that. But then again, you know, he kicks the one at the end of the first half, and it's a yard short. It's not like he was 10 yards short on it. So just judging off how he kicked that one, that's good (enough)."

Happy to clear up the confusion. Take care, guys...
 
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TennesseeT said:
It all falls back on the head coach and it's his fault and has nothing to do with Lincoln's failure to mention he tweaked his leg in warmups.
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I do not see your reasoning at all. I guess CLK needs to develop his ability to read his players' minds. Have you ever coached before? This topic is really
insignificant. You need to really let it go. Is this Phil?
 
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I neither emailed Rucker or linked this thread to him. Someone did though and for what reason I wonder? So Kiffin did say that he would run another play given up to date information regarding the injury. So I guess it is Lincoln's fault like Kiffin said or maybe it's the trainer's fault now since we know he administered medicine.

Bottom line Kiffin is the HFC, he should know how his kicker is performing, he should take the results of his decisions and live with them, and should not single the kid out for witholding info. that would have led him to choose differently. Lincoln has barely been getting PAT's off the ground and had one blocked against UGA. He kicked the first blocked one into fat boys' belly which was at most 5 ft off the ground.

He just needs to slow down and think before speaking sometimes. I certainly hope Cunningham is practicing now that we all know Lincoln's injury is affecting his performance.
 
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TennesseeT said:
On the home page there is any article in the Times Free Press about Daniel Lincoln keeping the faith. In it Kiffin refers to not knowing about the tweak of Lincolns quad muscle during pre-game warm-ups and says had he known about it he would have tried to run another play at the end of the game. It reads to me as if he's throwing Lincoln under the bus for not disclosing the "tweak" during warmups.

First off, Kiffin knew about the injury and has known for weeks that Lincoln wasn't 100%. He had a extra point blocked in the UGA game and has been kicking with a low trajectory for weeks and even people here have pointed it out.

Secondly, Kiffin was watching the game we all watched first hand. Lincoln didn't have the leg to make the 47 yarder and then kicks a 40+ right into the waist of a fat boy. Does he not ask Lincoln how he's feeling after that? Does he not question the ability or health of his already known to be injured kicker? No KIFFIN chooses to run the time off the clock and trotts out the kicker.

I'm fine with the call and the outcome but don't say had the kid told you something you would have done something different and basically place it on his shoulders. It's Kiffin job to know how the kicker is feeling and everyone in America knew it wasn't 100%. Don't throw the kid under the bus because everyone is questioning your playcalling at the end of the game!
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come on phil take it easy would you have played it diffrent(maybe)
 
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TennesseeT said:
I neither emailed Rucker or linked this thread to him. Someone did though and for what reason I wonder? So Kiffin did say that he would run another play given up to date information regarding the injury. So I guess it is Lincoln's fault like Kiffin said or maybe it's the trainer's fault now since we know he administered medicine.

Bottom line Kiffin is the HFC, he should know how his kicker is performing, he should take the results of his decisions and live with them, and should not single the kid out for witholding info. that would have led him to choose differently. Lincoln has barely been getting PAT's off the ground and had one blocked against UGA. He kicked the first blocked one into fat boys' belly which was at most 5 ft off the ground.

He just needs to slow down and think before speaking sometimes. I certainly hope Cunningham is practicing now that we all know Lincoln's injury is affecting his performance.
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You're connecting pieces together that do not fit. CLK never threw anybody under the bus. You fail to realize that CLK was asked direct questions, and that he didn't willingly throw out the information.

Go and read the pasted interview; you'll see then that he didn't mention the quad injury because he decided everybody needed to know, but because he was specifically asked about it. The same thing occurred with the hypothetical question of re-doing the last 30 seconds of the game.

Not to mention the quote where he says he might have done something differently implies only that -- there's no definitive comment being made there.

It's official, you've looked into this way too much. That's something paranoid girlfriends do, man. Let it go.
 
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utvolpj said:
you have yet to provide a quote from Kiffin saying had he known he would have run another play. Should be easy right?
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As close as you'll find:

With 48 seconds left, Kiffin called a draw play on second down, then milked the clock to 4 seconds to allow kicker Daniel Lincoln a chance to win the game.

"I'll go back over that a million times," Kiffin said. "I'm already killing myself for it. You'd like to think you can kick a field goal to win the game."

Kiffin wastes no time in anguishing over late call GoVolsXtra
 
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TennesseeT said:
On the home page there is any article in the Times Free Press about Daniel Lincoln keeping the faith. In it Kiffin refers to not knowing about the tweak of Lincolns quad muscle during pre-game warm-ups and says had he known about it he would have tried to run another play at the end of the game. It reads to me as if he's throwing Lincoln under the bus for not disclosing the "tweak" during warmups.
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Reads to me like he's being honest. He wouldn't have used Lincoln if he didn't think he could make it, I think that's a given.

The criticism I have, and maybe this is what you're pointing to; after already having a kick blocked, and one come up short, he should have known that Lincoln was having a problem kicking that day.
 
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