Kiffin Says He Could Have Won SEC With Vols

[sjt18]

Where was the evidence of getting stronger as the year progressed? UT's November schedule is littered with lightweights. Beating Vandy and UK is not a sign of getting stronger. That sounds like Fulmer rhetoric.

If you've followed my posts, you know that I think the guy is about as low and classless as they come. That said, UT simply ran out of players last year. They were playing guys at LB that really shouldn't have been out there until next year at the earliest. The OL was cobbled together and made up of guys who played hurt every week. Wes Brown's effort was nothing short of heroic... but the guy could barely walk much less play.

Crompton definitely came along as did the offense overall. The guys who stayed healthy improved over the year.

Don't let your emotions get in the way of reality. Kiffin and O are unethical, untrustworthy, self-absorbed thugs... Monte is more or less the same guy character wise as he was when Danny Ford confronted him... but they CAN COACH.

 

[sjt18]

2) No one will ever know for sure, but given the lack of talent/depth at UT when Kiffin took over, 7-6 was a minor miracle.

No. It really wasn't. Had Fulmer still been in charge, UT probably would have finished 7-6 or maybe as good as 8-4. He probably would have beaten UCLA and Auburn but would have been blown out in a major way by Bama and UF. Guys who CLK ran off (for good reason I think) would have contributed and maybe even started.

What we can say is that the team played better football than they did before... but some of his decisions were investments that had short term costs in W/L.

We were super inconsistent, but that's what you tend to get with injuries and lack of depth. I have little doubt that we would've been in the national championship discussion within 4 years due to the coaching staff and his ability to recruit.

I would agree except I think Carroll would have left some time within that span and we'd be looking at a similar situation.

 

[sjt18]

i'm sorry.

but, all kiffin has ever proven is that he's full of you know what.....

he's all mouth. that's all he ever has been and all he ever will be.

I disagree with the idea that he proved nothing last year. UT with effectively no passing offense pushed a much more talented Gator team to the limit. They gave Bama their best game of the year.

But this statement pretty well nails it:

he's never accomplished anything, won anything, or followed through on anything he has ever said......ever.

If you just added a comment about his lack of character and honesty...

 

[easyvol]

You know, fine. I'm done with this debate and I'm done with the football forum til we hire an actual coach. Nothing clicks my vomit reflex quicker than blind faith. All Dooley needs to do is start "encouraging" church attendance among his players and we'll have the football equivalent of Buzz Peterson. I'll be back at the end of the '12 season, when the coaching search starts.

Please lets this be the case. The one and only thing that makes me not want to come on here; Hat and his "Ditto Heads".

 

[GirlDad12121]

And remind me exactly what DD has won on his own. At least Kiffin's struggles came against NFL competition, with the hapless Raiders. DD on the other hand, failed in the pathetic WAC where there is only one good team to compete with. At least with Kiffin, he was surrounded by a rediculous amount of talented assistants to guide him along the way. DD, not so much. Most people on here had never even heard of almost our entire staff until a couple of months ago.

You do have a point, but on the other hand, Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Mark Richt, etc. at one point were all coaches who people had never heard of. Personally, I like the idea of DD becoming a breakout star HC right here at the REAL UT.

 

[n_huffhines]

"SN: Had you stayed, could you have won the SEC?

LK: Definitely. We were definitely on that track."
__________

"I could've been a contender."

 

[sjt18]

And remind me exactly what DD has won on his own. At least Kiffin's struggles came against NFL competition, with the hapless Raiders. DD on the other hand, failed in the pathetic WAC where there is only one good team to compete with. At least with Kiffin, he was surrounded by a rediculous amount of talented assistants to guide him along the way. DD, not so much. Most people on here had never even heard of almost our entire staff until a couple of months ago.

The answer to your point is pretty simple... when CLK was hired virtually everyone in the college football world knew who he was and NO ONE WANTED HIM. The UT job was way too good for him at that point of his career. He had failed as an NFL HC and had been a real headache for his employer. He recruited well to USC... but what credible coach couldn't?

The fact that no one really wanted him is a huge part of what makes his move to USC so classless and low. UT picked him up when he was at a low point... then he rewarded UT with no loyalty whatsoever and left the program in a precarious state. Not only that, he did all he could recruiting wise to push UT on over the cliff after leaving.

So sure, few people knew about Dooley... but that was no bigger deal than what people DID know about CLK.

 

[bleedorange0037]

You do have a point, but on the other hand, Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Mark Richt, etc. at one point were all coaches who people had never heard of. Personally, I like the idea of DD becoming a breakout star HC right here at the REAL UT.

But they were unheard of before getting jobs at Utah and Michigan St. respectively, once they moved to the SEC, their abilities were pretty widely known. Had Dooley been successful at La Tech, the analogy you made would have been correct. With NS and CUM, there was plenty of reason for people to expect them to do well in the SEC since they had done it before. The thought that DD simply hasn't been a successful HC makes me nervous. There are usually indicators that a coach will be successful prior to it actually happening.

 

[sjt18]

CLK is why UT has Dooley. If he'd left earlier or after 2 or 3 years, UT would have gotten Calhoun or one of maybe a half dozen that were approached before Dooley. The job was high risk when Dooley took it and every other guy who was considered knew it. He had less to lose than the guys who said no thanks.

 

[NMVol]

To me X is a coach who promised championships and left after a respectable mediocre season. Not too impressive.

 

[BuckeyeVols]

I honestly think the improvements we saw on the field last year (especially Crompton) had a lot more to do with how TERRIBLE, STALE and EMBARRASSINGLY PREDICTABLE our previous coaching staff had gotten than it did to the "genius" of LK or any other coach on his staff. That's not sour grapes on my part either.....I fully supported LK when he was here, and I definitely agree he would have gotten us back into contention for the SEC title, if for noting else than his staff's recruiting ability. I understand why he left....he said in that article SC is the only school he would have left UT for. I cant blame him for leaving.....but I do think the way it was done was right in line with his "better than everyone" attitude. This year will go a long way in showing us if LK was indeed a good coach (if we take huge steps backward while SC improves), or if it just seemed that way because CPF and his crew had ran the program into the ground so far talent and scheme wise that, literally, ANY change was a good change. I am very excited to see how this season plays out. I think we as a fan base will be pleasantly surprised.

 

[codyg10]

I actually still have alot of respect for Kiffin the only think that he done wrong was the yellow jersey incident. Orgeron was the one that called all of our recruits and Ambles decommited from Tennessee before Kiffin recruited him to USC the only person he really stole from us was Glen Stanley and he wouldnt have qualified anyway. Kiffin made our program alot better he got us 5 or 6 players that we can count on for the next couple of years. Brown, Jackson, Bray, Myles, James, and Palardy there is no way we could have gotten them with out Kiffin. I honesty dont blame him for going to USC it is alot of an easier job he has a great pipeline at Cali and the Pac10 is a weak conference he should build a dyansty out there. Im mad about what he done but I think he will be successful out there as bad as I hate to say it.

 

[crimsontidecasey]

i'm sorry.

but, all kiffin has ever proven is that he's full of you know what.

he's never accomplished anything, won anything, or followed through on anything he has ever said......ever.

he's all mouth. that's all he ever has been and all he ever will be.

If he was still coaching Ut per say, would you have still said that?

 

[allvol123]

If you've followed my posts, you know that I think the guy is about as low and classless as they come. That said, UT simply ran out of players last year. They were playing guys at LB that really shouldn't have been out there until next year at the earliest. The OL was cobbled together and made up of guys who played hurt every week. Wes Brown's effort was nothing short of heroic... but the guy could barely walk much less play.

Crompton definitely came along as did the offense overall. The guys who stayed healthy improved over the year.

Don't let your emotions get in the way of reality. Kiffin and O are unethical, untrustworthy, self-absorbed thugs... Monte is more or less the same guy character wise as he was when Danny Ford confronted him... but they CAN COACH.

My emotions? What the heck are you talking about? I liked the guy. I would never dispute we were hit hard by injuries. So what. That does not do anything to support the idea that we got stronger. Facts are facts.

 

[Volfan8282]

No. It really wasn't. Had Fulmer still been in charge, UT probably would have finished 7-6 or maybe as good as 8-4. He probably would have beaten UCLA and Auburn but would have been blown out in a major way by Bama and UF. Guys who CLK ran off (for good reason I think) would have contributed and maybe even started.

So, is this why Fulmer went 5-7 the year before with a team that was arguably deeper and more talented?

 

[SGMVols]

So, is this why Fulmer went 5-7 the year before with a team that was arguably deeper and more talented?

I'm also curious to hear his explanation of why he thinks Fulmer would have beaten UCLA and Auburn, both of which were better in '09 than in '08, when he lost to both teams the year before when neither one made a bowl game.

 

[NEO]

Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't every single coach who has every been the HC here won atleast one SEC championship in their tenure? This isn't really saying much about him. WE are TN. It would be more of a shocker if he said he couldn't win the SEC here.

 

[NEO]

Would also like to point out that this is the second longest drought ever between championships. The man wasn't saying much when he said he could win the SEC here. People who think different need to grow a pair.

1914 SIAA 9-0 5-0
1927 Southern 8-0-1 7-0
1932 Southern 9-0-1 8-0
1938 SEC 11-0 7-0
1939 SEC 10-1 6-0
1940 SEC 10-1 6-0
1946† SEC 9-2 5-0
1951† SEC 10-1 5-0
1956 SEC 10-1 6-0
1967 SEC 9-2 6-0
1969 SEC 9-2 5-1
1985‡ SEC 9-1-2 5-1
1989† SEC 11-1 6-1
1990 SEC 9-2-2 5-1-1
1997 SEC 11-2 7-1
1998

 

[VolsRule]

Fulmer got lazy, let the program go way down, but was still getting paid millions, and got millions more on the way out. What a deal!!!! Millions for failure!!!!!

 

[volstuff37641]

I supported Kiffin and was excited about him being here. I just dont buy into the notion that no one, especially Dooley, can do as good or better.

lol:so,what your saying is that in your opion,Kiffin is the best football coach that you have ever seen.lol::good!:

 

[vol_in_ar]

I'm also curious to hear his explanation of why he thinks Fulmer would have beaten UCLA and Auburn, both of which were better in '09 than in '08, when he lost to both teams the year before when neither one made a bowl game.

because we would have fired Dave Clawson

 

[volstuff37641]

i'm not rooting for him to fail. He's going to do that all on his own. No amount of support from me can make that hire anything but the dumpster fire it is.

of course,this is in your opinon.why would you have vol in your user name if you want the hcdd to fail?oh yea,forgot your a fulmerite.

 

[volstuff37641]

You mean Dooley talking trash would change the score of this year's Louisiana Tech-Utah State game? If not, it wouldn't change my opinion of the second worst hire in UT athletics history one bit.

HAT,just what are you baseing all your hate on CDD.what has he done that you say he is the second worst hire in ten. history? are you going bythe fact that he was the coach at La.Tec.? I just don't understand yor position at all.:bad:

 

[bleedorange0037]

of course,this is in your opinon.why would you have vol in your user name if you want the hcdd to fail?oh yea,forgot your a fulmerite.

:lolabove:

This has to be the first time that Hat has ever been accused of being a Fulmerite.

 

[bleedorange0037]

HAT,just what are you baseing all your hate on CDD.what has he done that you say he is the second worst hire in ten. history? are you going bythe fact that he was the coach at La.Tec.? I just don't understand yor position at all.:bad:

I think it's more an issue of what he HASN'T done, and that's win.

I imagine hat's position is a lot like mine of this one. It's not that I want him to fail, but this hire LOOKS bad on a couple of levels right now. First, dance around it all you want, but to this point, DD has been a mediocre at best coach in a bad conference in terms of wins and losses. There is simply not a lot of history of coaches struggling at lesser jobs, and then coming to the SEC and winning big. Secondly, have now become a bit of a laughingstock around the SEC and the nation. Our coach walked out on us, and we were foced to settle BIG TIME. Remember when Auburn hired Gene Chizik last offseason and how much we all laughed at what a horrible hire that was. Well now that's what the rest of the SEC is saying about us.

Time will tell how this all play's out, but it seems rediculous that STILL, anyone who doesn't blindly assume DD will win big here, even though there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that's going to happen is written off as "not a true Vol".