Kiffin Reprimanded by SEC, as was Mullen (merged)

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olbemw7 said:
jmmccarver21 said:
Julio stopped and had no play on the ball. There was interference, but there was no possibility of a catch. That's why it wasn't called.
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I'm not questioning whether it was pass interference it is all the vol fans saying this should have been pass interference on julio. If it was not a catchable ball then the call was right.
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We have become so soft in this society that no one can speak his mind about hardly anything without being called on the carpet. The officiating in the SEC this year has been embarassing. I know high school crews that are far superior to the crews the SEC has on the field this year. These guys get paid to do a job. Why doesn't Slive grow a spine and let the chips fall where they may? He might need to remember he did not get this job on his own, the schools in the conference put him in and they might just decide to put him out. Why is the 1st amendment squashed in the SEC?
 
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Thank God Kiffin and company look to be changing the ways. Slive can "reprimand" all he wants....if the SEC officiating continues to be as bad as it has coaches will still complain. It doesn't matter, UT nor any other SEC university care at all. You can reprimand and suspend every single SEC coach if you want, but you'll just make yourself look like even more of a joke than you already are. The media and fans are already on the SEC's butt and I for one am glad the coaches and our programs are letting them know we won't stand for it anymore.

Not to say that our situation against Alabama was as bad as the ArkvUF calls or the UGAvLSU call but it getting to be ridiculous with calls like this that just "seem" to come up at the end of the game. Slive and the SEC are not bigger than the collective universities. I won't say the SEC is corrupt even though it is beginning to look that way....they are just ignorant and careless. Now the NCAA, that is a different story. Talk about too much power. Facism at its finest. They intimidate and scare kids and coaches into lying about things that don't even matter. I really feel sorry for Dez Bryant ant Oklahoma State. Complete BS. And the Bryce Brown situation earlier this year is just another example.:mega_shok:
 
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jmmccarver21 said:
olbemw7 said:
I'm not questioning whether it was pass interference it is all the vol fans saying this should have been pass interference on julio. If it was not a catchable ball then the call was right.
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Are you STILL on this? You have been posting about this one play all day and you still don't know what you are talking about. Give it up already.
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TS, have you ever thought of going into medicine as an anathesiologist? You wouldn't even have to use the gas, just talk Tide football.:lolabove::lolabove:
 
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BGKYVol said:
The only reason that it makes matters worse is that people around the country see what is clear to fans who watch SEC football regularly and that is that the officiating is inconsistent and incompetent.
The problem that I have is Slive wanting coaches to complain in private while he scolds them in public. If he does not want Kiffin, Johnson, Petrino, Mullen, and all of the other coaches who aren't in the "in" crowd (Miles, Saban and Meyer) to air their dirty laundry in public then he should refarin from doing so as well.
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Your point about keeping it more discrete is valid and I agree. There is always some media out there somewhere these days that's waiting to sink it's teeth into every opportunity it finds to spin things against the SEC or a given coach or program or team. That's a big reason why the code of ethics aims to try to resolve issues discretely.

I don't get the second part of your post though. Slive needed to suspend those refs and in doing so he had to issue a brief to the point statement to that effect. However, he would not need to publicly reprimand the coaches if they didn't first break the code of ethics by airing their grievances through the media. If a coach violates those ethics and brings embarrassment to the SEC by doing so, IMO Slive should turn that back onto the coach by reprimanding him openly for doing it. IMO, Petrino, Mullin and Kiffin all had it coming. If Saban did what they did, I'd say the same thing about him.
 
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"TS, have you ever thought of going into medicine as an anathesiologist? You wouldn't even have to use the gas, just talk Tide football."

:lolabove::lolabove:
 
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And in all honesty if the SEC really wanted to be fair, if the NCAA allowed them to, I believe they should have sent a letter to Arkansas saying we are sorry the Florida game will not be included in your record of a loss. Florida can still get credit for a win but Arkansas should not have that tainted loss on their record...that is completely embarrassing.
 
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csheaton said:
And in all honesty if the SEC really wanted to be fair, if the NCAA allowed them to, I believe they should have sent a letter to Arkansas saying we are sorry the Florida game will not be inclued in your record of a loss. Florida can still get credit for a win but Arkansas should not have that tainted loss on their record...that is completely embarrassing.
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If that is a possible scenerio then...Why should Florida get to keep the win?
 
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pattiycake said:
If that is a possible scenerio then...Why should Florida get to keep the win?
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I just thought it seemed a little much to take away a win considering they did kick the winning field goal...but because that was directly attributed to the bad calls I just thought Arkansas should not be credited with a loss. It would be a lot more controversial if you took away both, or worse, than just saying Arkansas won't be credited with the loss. That would be fair imo.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Saban is one of the best coaches in college football. Some here will not say that. It did not take away from his coaching abilities.

But I lost most, if not all respect for him as a person, after those remarks.
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Thanks for saying that about Saban's coaching abilities. He did apologize for those remarks, and said that he used poor judgement in making those analogies.

So far Kiffin has demonstrated some impressive things in terms of HC ability. He put together a great staff. The results in recruiting and in the way the players have played and the way the team has continued to improve are impressive.

However, he has been his own worst enemy to some extent with his loose cannon mouth and poor judgement in making some of the remarks he's made.

I'll even buy in somewhat to the view that he probably needed to do and say some things to get UTs name out there and bring some swagger back to the program.

However, things like calling Meyer a cheater, insulting Pahokee, the gas pumping remarks, care;ess remarks about his own first recruiting class being substandard, instigating and trading childish jabs with Meyer, and his excuse/blame-gamish remarks about the UA/UT game officiating are not necessary to accomplish those goals.

That's especially the case when he and the UT football program are getting positive media attention for achieving positive results -- such as much better than expected showings against UF, UGA and UA. Instead of helping that cause by behaving like a mature head coach should he's taken the media's focus off of the positive and put it on all of this negative stuff.

He has plenty of coaching ability, but he continues to be is his own worst enemy. It's a shame for him and for UT that he does not get that. If it does not change, it could be the undoing of everything else he's doing right.
 
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kptvol said:
How has it hurt him?
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He's taking the media's focus off of the positive results that are starting to show well now and putting it on all of this negative stuff.

He has rapidly given UT somewhat of a classless, rogue program kind of image and is continuing to reinforce that image.

How is that not obvious? The VN forum is frequently dominated by threads griping about all of the negative publicity out there about Lane Kiffin.

Lane Kiffin might be a coaching whiz kid, but I think he could end up eventually ruining his own career with his mouth if he doesn't get on the clue bus.

Then again, maybe not. Maybe he'll succeed in spite of it or even because of it.

I'm pretty sure we're all going find out which one is the case over the next two or three seasons, because I don't think he's going to stop saying the kinds of things that he does.
 
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Tidal Surge said:
He's taking the media's focus off of the positive results that are starting to show well now and putting it on all of this negative stuff.

He has rapidly given UT somewhat of a classless, rogue program kind of image and is continuing to reinforce that image.

How is that not obvious? The VN forum is frequently dominated by threads griping about all of the negative publicity out there about Lane Kiffin.

Lane Kiffin might be a coaching whiz kid, but I think he could end up eventually ruining his own career with his mouth if he doesn't get on the clue bus.

Then again, maybe not. Maybe he'll succeed in spite of it or even because of it.

I'm pretty sure we're all going find out which one is the case over the next two or three seasons, because I don't think he's going to stop saying the kinds of things that he does.
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So basically, it hasn't hurt him. Thanks.
 
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bambamman said:
It is not Slive that is the douchebag... it is your childish and immature coach, yeah the same one fired at Oakland, yeah the same one that said he would sing Rocky Top all night long after he beat Florida this year... he manipulates the heck out of you sheepish Vol fans. He says just what you want to hear. He has you guys by the testicles and you don't even know it. He is an embarrassment to the SEC and if you are not careful, he will make Tennessee an embarrassment nationally...
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You're an idiot please go away...
 
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Tidal Surge said:
He's taking the media's focus off of the positive results that are starting to show well now and putting it on all of this negative stuff.

He has rapidly given UT somewhat of a classless, rogue program kind of image and is continuing to reinforce that image.

How is that not obvious? The VN forum is frequently dominated by threads griping about all of the negative publicity out there about Lane Kiffin.

Lane Kiffin might be a coaching whiz kid, but I think he could end up eventually ruining his own career with his mouth if he doesn't get on the clue bus.

Then again, maybe not. Maybe he'll succeed in spite of it or even because of it.

I'm pretty sure we're all going find out which one is the case over the next two or three seasons, because I don't think he's going to stop saying the kinds of things that he does.
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I could understand this if Kiffin was the only coach in the SEC complaining. However, he is not. Several coaches with more experience have also received the same punishment as Kiffin because they have given similar or worse criticism. I just think this comment is being blown way out of proportion just because it is Kiffin.
If you put any coach with a pulse in that situation and he did not say something, I would be shocked. You combine a chance to get your first HUGE win against a number one team, the best team in your conference, AND your biggest classic rival and almost any coach would be mad about some very questionable calls that could have changed the game. Even the "Great Orange Pumpkin" would have raised a little heck and been darn sure to say something...
 
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Tidal Surge said:
Your point about keeping it more discrete is valid and I agree. There is always some media out there somewhere these days that's waiting to sink it's teeth into every opportunity it finds to spin things against the SEC or a given coach or program or team. That's a big reason why the code of ethics aims to try to resolve issues discretely.

I don't get the second part of your post though. Slive needed to suspend those refs and in doing so he had to issue a brief to the point statement to that effect. However, he would not need to publicly reprimand the coaches if they didn't first break the code of ethics by airing their grievances through the media. If a coach violates those ethics and brings embarrassment to the SEC by doing so, IMO Slive should turn that back onto the coach by reprimanding him openly for doing it. IMO, Petrino, Mullin and Kiffin all had it coming. If Saban did what they did, I'd say the same thing about him.
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So what you are saying is because they aired dirty laundry first, it is okay for Slive to do the same? I don't think Kiffin and the others mind that it was public, so my point was not that he embarassed them are caused them any grieve by going public. My point was that he is the Commissioner and he should be setting an example of how things should be handled. Instead he acts more like a petulant child who wants to get even with people who cross him. Also, without getting into a UT-BAMA game discussion, I think that you would agree that the officiating in the SEC has brought embarrassment to the league already.

Also, it should be pointed out that the suspension of the officials was handled appropriately it was handled late. It would probably never happened if the outcry had not been so great.
 
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Tidal Surge said:
Thanks for saying that about Saban's coaching abilities. He did apologize for those remarks, and said that he used poor judgement in making those analogies.

So far Kiffin has demonstrated some impressive things in terms of HC ability. He put together a great staff. The results in recruiting and in the way the players have played and the way the team has continued to improve are impressive.

However, he has been his own worst enemy to some extent with his loose cannon mouth and poor judgement in making some of the remarks he's made.

I'll even buy in somewhat to the view that he probably needed to do and say some things to get UTs name out there and bring some swagger back to the program.

However, things like calling Meyer a cheater,(at a private function, not to a sideline reporter on national TV as were comments made by Meyer) insulting Pahokee, the gas pumping remarks (which was recanted by Alshon Jeffrey and in fact was never reported except in a Gainesville paper), care;ess remarks about his own first recruiting class being substandard, instigating and trading childish jabs with Meyer (you mean like defending his integrity when he was accused of not trying to win), and his excuse/blame-gamish remarks about the UA/UT game officiating are not necessary to accomplish those goals.

That's especially the case when he and the UT football program are getting positive media attention for achieving positive results -- such as much better than expected showings against UF, UGA and UA. Instead of helping that cause by behaving like a mature head coach should he's taken the media's focus off of the positive and put it on all of this negative stuff.

He has plenty of coaching ability, but he continues to be is his own worst enemy. It's a shame for him and for UT that he does not get that. If it does not change, it could be the undoing of everything else he's doing right.
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I agree that some things are not wise, but many things to which he has been taken to task were not accurately or completed reported. As soon as the Meyer comment was made it became open season of Kiffin and anything he said was magnified. That in and of itself is not bad thing. However, when the facts are not reported and newspapers, which are supposed to report the news instead, begin to editorialize it becomes unfair.
 
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Yeah, he is such an embarrassment that there is a strong possibility for a #1 recruiting class, and this staff is taking much less talent and giving you guys hell with it. Just think what is going to happen when the talent is more even.
 
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The thing is he won't need to do so much talking once we have the talent he needs to win. Our success in the future will speak for itself. But right now he is giving the program exactly what it needed to get to that point and it is working. UT is a program on the rise, we know it, and the rest of the SEC knows it.
 
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