Kiffin recruiting Tennessee talent

#76
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AbsenteeTrojan said:
Why wouldn't the NCAA tell the whole story? That doesn't make any sense. They knew there was going to be an appeal and needed to present their strongest case. No one withholds damaging information like that, it just doesn't make sense.

Sorry, I shouldn't get into this here. Last post on the subject.
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Actually the NCAA did release the full findings, which many media type (Ted Miller for example) read in detail
 
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len023 said:
Actually the NCAA did release the full findings, which many media type (Ted Miller for example) read in detail
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Vol2424 said:
Volunteer Sources Say Kiffin Never Embraced Tennessee
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Thanks for bringing up that article. I remember reading about this but could not find it. I am amazed how he is making a personal advantage of wrecking our program. I would say that Lane Kiffin was the worst thing that happened to UT, but it is second only to hiring Mike Hamilton as AD.
 
#80
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Vol2424 said:
Him being the coach is the only reason it would be a big deal. Well that and if we play them for the title some day. Wouldn't matter who the coach would be. If he fails or bails ... SC and Tennessee fans will be friends once again. I remember the jokes they made when we hired him. Goatboy jokes and that the players hated him. The story about Palmer or Leinart almost kicking his ass. Times sure have changed.


You should be ok Absentee. You didn't show up here expecting us all to be friendly. Just keep posting like you are. Respect us and we will do the same.
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I would love to hear those. I missed them.
 
#81
#81
Hoss Diesel said:
I would love to hear those. I missed them.
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Kiffin Quote - Inside USC with Scott Wolf

Morning Buzz - Inside USC with Scott Wolf

Seau Statements - Inside USC with Scott Wolf

Some TN fans worried Kiffin to USC.. @ SECRant.com

NCAA Pac-12 Football Recruiting: Now Pete and Goatboy hate each other


Hell just google it. The stuff about him not getting along with the players and the fight he almost got into with one of the QBs when he was OC at USC was on wearesc.com That forum was closed and ESPN changed it. It's still out there somewhere. The stories about him and Norm Chow were pretty funny too. All is well out there right now. But they thought it was hilarious when we hired him. I know I'm not the only one that remembers this stuff.
 
#82
#82
Vol2424 said:
Kiffin Quote - Inside USC with Scott Wolf

Morning Buzz - Inside USC with Scott Wolf

Seau Statements - Inside USC with Scott Wolf

Some TN fans worried Kiffin to USC.. @ SECRant.com

NCAA Pac-12 Football Recruiting: Now Pete and Goatboy hate each other


Hell just google it. The stuff about him not getting along with the players and the fight he almost got into with one of the QBs when he was OC at USC was on wearesc.com That forum was closed and ESPN changed it. It's still out there somewhere. The stories about him and Norm Chow were pretty funny too. All is well out there right now. But they thought it was hilarious when we hired him. I know I'm not the only one that remembers this stuff.
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Haha. Nice. Any idea why they call him goatboy?
 
#89
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justingroves said:
It was Chip's first loss at Autzen.

And USC was a fumble away from beating Stanford last season too.
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Yes I know. Like I said , great game no matter what you think of the coach. As for the Stanford game , a loss is a loss. They played Stanford tough the last two years , but they didn't finish. Either way it was on the coaches. The late drives by Stanford are on Monte. They flat out couldn't stop them. Same goes for ASU and the beatdown they gave SC. I still think there are some questions about his coaching. Just look at the 2010 season. He might be the next great coach of college football , but he still has something to prove imo. I'd like to see how things would go this season if Barkley wasn't back. But with that schedule , they should do well.
 
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Defaultuser said:
And a missed field goal away from losing to Minnesota.
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Yep.

There are still a few questions about him, but, imo, it's hard to discount what he did here and what he's done at SC for two seasons because of a lackluster game against the Golden Gophers.
 
#93
#93
justingroves said:
And you'd be wrong. Look at how many scholarship guys USC had last season.
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USC had 15 starters that have been in USC's system for 3 years against Oregon. They didn't have depth at linebacker, but its the pac 12 not the SEC. With a trio of Barkely, Woods, Lee, along with an oline anchored by Matt Kalil, they should be dominating the pac 12.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
USC had 15 starters that have been in USC's system for 3 years against Oregon. They didn't have depth at linebacker, but its the pac 12 not the SEC. With a trio of Barkely, Woods, Lee, along with an oline anchored by Matt Kalil, they should be dominating the pac 12.
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USC had 43 scholarship players available at Oregon. Yes, 43. To say that those numbers don't matter because this is the Pac-12 is not a valid argument. Oregon runs teams down with their speed and wears out depth by their fast paced offense.

And by the way, what "15 starters" are you referring to? Below, I'm going to list 10 starters that are all FR/So, so... it's not possible to have 15 other starters. And, before you try to pick this apart, realize that a RS Sophomore has not been in the system for 3 years. They had been in the system for 2 years, and it was their third year in the system. Big difference.

Last year, USC's starters consisted of:

Freshman LOLB
Freshman MLB
Freshman ROLB
Sophomore CB
Freshman TE
Freshman LG
Sophomore RG
Sophomore RT
Sophomore WR
Freshman WR

That's a young team. Did they have more TALENT than a lot of Pac-12 teams? Probably... but they're so young that they were painfully short on experience.

To expect a team that has that kind of youth to run the table is illogical.
 
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AbsenteeTrojan said:
USC had 43 scholarship players available at Oregon. Yes, 43. To say that those numbers don't matter because this is the Pac-12 is not a valid argument. Oregon runs teams down with their speed and wears out depth by their fast paced offense.

And by the way, what "15 starters" are you referring to? Below, I'm going to list 10 starters that are all FR/So, so... it's not possible to have 15 other starters. And, before you try to pick this apart, realize that a RS Sophomore has not been in the system for 3 years. They had been in the system for 2 years, and it was their third year in the system. Big difference.

Last year, USC's starters consisted of:

Freshman LOLB
Freshman MLB
Freshman ROLB
Sophomore CB
Freshman TE
Freshman LG
Sophomore RG
Sophomore RT
Sophomore WR
Freshman WR

That's a young team. Did they have more TALENT than a lot of Pac-12 teams? Probably... but they're so young that they were painfully short on experience.

To expect a team that has that kind of youth to run the table is illogical.
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USC had 67 scholarship players as of Novemeber 30, 2011.
USC football: Scholarship count (11/30/11) - USC : The Orange County Register

A redshirt sophomore has been working out with the team and practicing with the team as much as a true junior. The two sophomore olinemen were redshirted. One of the biggest problems for offensive linemen is getting strong enough. Those guys had 3 offseasons in a world class strength program. Redshirt sophomore olinemen are quite common.

For you to even argue that a redshirt freshmen is the exact same as a true freshmen is laughable. Why can a redshirt sophomore enter the draft when a true sophomore cant if they are the same?

Matt Kalil, Khaled Holmes, John Martinez, Kevin Graf, Matt Barkely, Rhett Ellison, and Curtis Mcneil all had at least 3 summer workouts and summer camps with the team on offense. All those guys were on the starting lineup against Oregon.

Wes Horton, Christian Tupou, Dajohn Harris, Nick Perry, Jawanza Starling, Tj Mcdonald, and Isaih Wiley were the starters on defense.

I was number off, it was 14 upperclassmen starters. Kiffin got to redshirt 16 freshmen last year. He wasnt hurting too bad on depth if he got to that

The PAC 12 is offense oriented. Not to mention it was extremely weak last year. So yes, I do expect a team that easily out recruits every other team in the conference to run the ship.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
USC had 67 scholarship players as of Novemeber 30, 2011.
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USC traveled to Oregon with 43 scholarship players. It's a fact.

StlCardinals2618 said:
A redshirt sophomore has been working out with the team and practicing with the team as much as a true junior. The two sophomore olinemen were redshirted. One of the biggest problems for offensive linemen is getting strong enough. Those guys had 3 offseasons in a world class strength program. Redshirt sophomore olinemen are quite common.
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I'm not sure what you're arguing about. You said that they had three years in the program. They didn't have three years in the program - they had two.

StlCardinals2618 said:
For you to even argue that a redshirt freshmen is the exact same as a true freshmen is laughable.
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Where did I argue this? Hint - I didn't.

StlCardinals2618 said:
Matt Kalil, Khaled Holmes, John Martinez, Kevin Graf, Matt Barkely, Rhett Ellison, and Curtis Mcneil all had at least 3 summer workouts and summer camps with the team on offense. All those guys were on the starting lineup against Oregon.
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But your argument wasn't "3 summers in the program"... your argument was "3 years in the program". Do you not see the difference?

By the way, you can't count Isaih Wiley as a player who had ANY time in the program. He was a JUCO transfer that arrived late in the fall.

StlCardinals2618 said:
The PAC 12 is offense oriented. Not to mention it was extremely weak last year. So yes, I do expect a team that easily out recruits every other team in the conference to run the ship.
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Really? The conference was "extremely weak"?

A conference with 3 teams in the top-7 in the final rankings is "extremely weak"? Good to know.
 
#97
#97
AbsenteeTrojan said:
USC traveled to Oregon with 43 scholarship players. It's a fact.


I'm not sure what you're arguing about. You said that they had three years in the program. They didn't have three years in the program - they had two.


Where did I argue this? Hint - I didn't.


But your argument wasn't "3 summers in the program"... your argument was "3 years in the program". Do you not see the difference?

By the way, you can't count Isaih Wiley as a player who had ANY time in the program. He was a JUCO transfer that arrived late in the fall.


Really? The conference was "extremely weak"?

A conference with 3 teams in the top-7 in the final rankings is "extremely weak"? Good to know.
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Final BCS ranking you had two in the top ten. The SEC had four. Not that it really matters.
 
#99
#99
Wonder how the Kiffin is going to get around taking all these players from the diploma mill also known as Eastern Christian Academy?
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
Stanford, no. We are about to see how good Stanford is without Luck.

Oregon is debatable. Just because Kiffin only won 8 games 2 years ago does not mean they were less talented. Pete Carrol has been bringing in top 10 classes every year he has been there. Oregon hasn't had one top 10 class from 06-10.

Not to mention, there is a huge dropoff from USC, Oregon, and Stanford in the pac 12.
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There was alao huge drop off from Ala, LSU and maybe Ark last year. Oregon runs a great system and has a great coach like Boise so they dont necessarily need top 10 classes to compete.Kiffin is an elite recruiter and a really good play caller.
 
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