Kiffin on if Butch's program is in the right direction

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81Orange said:
I'll get take CBJ over CLK. CLK is a very good OC. He hasn't proved anything as a HC. Butch needs to manage the game a little better and improve PR skills. CLK can't manage the off field issues. Imagine CLK managing the title 9 issue. Imagine the smart as things he would have said, if he even stayed long enough to comment.

Butch hasn't been perfect but he has had some bad luck on big issues. The title 9 thing had to hurt recruiting and the mass of injuries last year. You don't expect to hire one of the top DCs and have your defense get worse.

I believe CBJ is a solid top 20 coach. We will see if he can get over the hump and move into the top ten. I feel his hands were tied the first two years on staff salary etc. I think we are just beginning to see the kind of staff he wants with the defensive hires. Looks like he is still shopping for bargain coaches on the offensive side.
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Good post. I'm not sure if CBJ will be able to "bend" enough in the way he does things with his assistants but I'm hoping he let's them manage their part of the game more. I can't say for sure because I don't have first hand knowledge but it is said he tends to micro manage. I think there are only 2 ways he survives here.. he grows as a coach and becomes more flexible in his coaching philosophies and he let's his assistants have more leeway..

I don't want another coaching search simply because I don't think they will do any better of a job a new hire.
 
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IknoxvolsI said:
Dude had BAMA to within a FG of a win. Should have beaten UCLA and won the bowl but he didn't lose to USCe and Vandy!

We will never know but I'm pretty sure he would have had three more wins with last years team. As bad as it is to say, even Dooley would have done that!
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There's no way in hell Dooley would've gotten 11 wins with any roster.
 
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First of all, CLK should have prefaced his whole opinion with, "Although I'm sure Butch Jones and the entire Volunteer fanbase couldn't care less what I think I will go ahead and tell you...."

Secondly, CBJ>>>CLK by a long shot. CLK would have had us in so much trouble with the NCAA we would be in constant fear of probation. CBJ runs a good, clean program from what we've seen so far. He is and will continue to improve with each year just like most people do at their job. CBJ just needs to take some lessons on how to talk to the media after a loss from CPF and lighten up when the masses get rowdy and not take things so personally. No more cliches.
 
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IknoxvolsI said:
In one year he had a winning season of seven wins coming into a program that just had five wins the season before!

He used what he had to pull in a higher recruiting class than any the previous decade.

The entire program was rejuvinated. If you remember, it was at an all time low. Well, since Battle any way.
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Wrong!!

Had # 2 class in 2002, #3 class and #4 class all within same decade..
 
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IknoxvolsI said:
If he would have hung around more or most of that class would have hung around.

You have to ask the same about Fulmer and Dooley. Everybody knows new coaches run players off and bring new ones in.
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Yeah, maybe if they weren't too busy holding up gas stations and failing classes. Other than that, though, you'd still be wrong.
 
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Not really sure why Kiffin gets the pass because he was close and Butch doesn't... not making any excuses for Butch but if the argument is about program building then clear CBJ is the winner. Same goes for win/loss (esp with the roster that they both have had) I would just rather there be no room for discussion in this area because CBJ was so much better than being close and took us to multiple SECCGs the past couple of years. We'll see what he can do this year and HOPEFULLY again in the future. If not, let's hope the next guy leaves no room for comparison with any of our coaches since 2008.
 
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I think Kiffin's comments on Butch being close to playing for championships is exactly what Vol fans should hear and what the UT fans that constantly criticize and make fun of Butch do not want to hear. The Butch haters can't stand CBJ. Bottom line is that Kiffin has been part of a championship program the last three years and competed against Butch on the field. It's a heck of a compliment coming from Lane.
 
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IknoxvolsI said:
Dude had BAMA to within a FG of a win. Should have beaten UCLA and won the bowl but he didn't lose to USCe and Vandy!

We will never know but I'm pretty sure he would have had three more wins with last years team. As bad as it is to say, even Dooley would have done that!
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Are counting Kiffins loses as success and Jones loses as failures?
 
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YorkVol said:
Are counting Kiffins loses as success and Jones loses as failures?
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So it seems that a close loss = success for Kiffin.

Some folks who claim to be objective are not really. They just have something against Coach Jones. He could win them all and they would find something - that is what they do.
 
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To me, this question to Kiffin in the article is the top reason I'm optimistic that, though state of FL has the most recruits, and UF will have their share of success, I don't think UF is set up for any sort of long term run like they had in the past. The recruiting pool is going to be much diluted with all the top shelf coaches in FL, including UT and others taking players.

The TN star is rising...we just have to capitalize on it. UT, like LSU is THE single dominant force in their state. With population and # of top recruits on the rise in TN, if we can just have that one big season, I think the flood gates will open and the fence around TN will finally be stronger, boding very well for us long term.

SDS: Speaking of recruiting, in Florida you’re up against the likes of Butch Davis (Florida International), Jimbo Fisher (Florida State), Jim McElwain (Florida), Mark Richt (Miami), and Charlie Strong (South Florida).
 
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My personal opinion is that if all things were equal, Kiffin would get more out of his players than Butch. He would therefore have a better record than Butch. Butch is too much of a "good guy", which is okay, but it takes a little "evil" to reach the pinnacle in football. I also think in the long run, Kiffin will have the better overall career as a head coach if given another opportunity with a proven program.
 
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njvols said:
SDS: Speaking of recruiting, in Florida you’re up against the likes of Butch Davis (Florida International), Jimbo Fisher (Florida State), Jim McElwain (Florida), Mark Richt (Miami), and Charlie Strong (South Florida).
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And don't forget Scott Frost at UCF. The state of FL has some serious coaching talent that's going to "dilute" what UF & FSU have been able to pull in the past.

The time to capitalize is now.
 
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DonDiego said:
Seems like Kiffin is starting to mature some--or he's just faking it. Hopefully, he's maturing and becoming a better man.
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I was thinking the same thing. This may be the first time I read something from him which didn't inflame me.
 
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orangemadam said:
My personal opinion is that if all things were equal, Kiffin would get more out of his players than Butch. He would therefore have a better record than Butch. Butch is too much of a "good guy", which is okay, but it takes a little "evil" to reach the pinnacle in football. I also think in the long run, Kiffin will have the better overall career as a head coach if given another opportunity with a proven program.
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If he couldn't get it done at USC, he wouldn't have been able to get it done here, TBH. Everybody seems to remember the games vs. USCe, UGA, and the moral victory 🙄 vs. Bama, but nobody seems to remember the UCLA, Ole Miss, and Va Tech games. Those were bad losses. He might have won 10 games in a season at some point here (he did it once at USCw). But at the rate he was going, we might not have been able to even field a team at some point by the time all his recruits either got arrested or made themselves ineligible. And I haven't even mentioned potential NCAA trouble yet.
 
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IknoxvolsI said:
Dude had BAMA to within a FG of a win. Should have beaten UCLA and won the bowl but he didn't lose to USCe and Vandy!

We will never know but I'm pretty sure he would have had three more wins with last years team. As bad as it is to say, even Dooley would have done that!
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Youre delusional. Dooley lost to UK playing a WR at QB.

Fact is Bama was a loss. UCLA was a loss. You can sit there and say oh he was close to beating this team and that team but guess what he didnt.
 
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I just think it's funny that Kiffin gets remembered for his close losses here and said it was a good sign.. Butch gets vilified for close losses and the wins are shot down as no good. Reading some of these makes you think that some aren't gonna like our coach no matter what.
As for the article,it's fine he is saying that I guess but it's no biggie to me. It is what it is,off-season stuff.
 
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VolinMC said:
I just think it's funny that Kiffin gets remembered for his close losses here and said it was a good sign.. Butch gets vilified for close losses and the wins are shot down as no good. Reading some of these makes you think that some aren't gonna like our coach no matter what.
As for the article,it's fine he is saying that I guess but it's no biggie to me. It is what it is,off-season stuff.
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Well said. People against Butch should be ashamed of themselves. Butch has built Tennessee back up from the ground. It's not his fault that it was a mess when he got here.
 
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I too believe Butch is close and that he's done a lot more good for our program than a few bad losses can erase, but I certainly don't need Kiffin to convince me of it. Not sayin, just sayin. Go Vols!
 
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