'Kiffin Methodology' 101

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Vols5150 said:
You can continue to lie to yourself and believe that this year's class wasn't that important, and that it isn't that big of a deal that our recruiting relative to the O & D line was sad at best, and that recruiting a high caliber QB was not the most important thing Kiffin needed to accomplish.

In case you missed it, we needed a QB. Period.

We shall see who's claims were wrong come fall. We shall see if your "goofy" claim that Kiffin is prepared to be a HC at a major univ works out.
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So how many OL and DL was Fulmer pulling in before he was out? Also, please provide me an example of some other coaches who pulled in top 10 classes in after only 2 months on the job.
 
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Vols5150 said:
You can continue to lie to yourself and believe that this year's class wasn't that important, and that it isn't that big of a deal that our recruiting relative to the O & D line was sad at best, and that recruiting a high caliber QB was not the most important thing Kiffin needed to accomplish.

In case you missed it, we needed a QB. Period.

We shall see who's claims were wrong come fall. We shall see if your "goofy" claim that Kiffin is prepared to be a HC at a major univ works out.
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Just read my last post for my response. This is more of the same from you.
 
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kptvol said:
Is it a full moon tonight, or what? Ksusha must be around somewhere. And yeah, one season of recruiting that lasted 2 months definitely fully represents the man's ability.
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...he did tell a 5-star qb - nation's best qb too wasn't he? - to go look elsewhere...
 
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Vols5150 said:
You can continue to lie to yourself and believe that this year's class wasn't that important, and that it isn't that big of a deal that our recruiting relative to the O & D line was sad at best, and that recruiting a high caliber QB was not the most important thing Kiffin needed to accomplish.

In case you missed it, we needed a QB. Period.

We shall see who's claims were wrong come fall. We shall see if your "goofy" claim that Kiffin is prepared to be a HC at a major univ works out.
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You are a moron, you really are. Its kinda funny to think you had like 50 posts before kiffin and now look at you, almost 1000! WOW! It's incredibly sad how you would rather see this team and season go down the drain than be proven wrong....again. You egotistical fool.

D-line and O-line are positions that are of need sure, and i fully expect this staff to deliver. They have not given me or anyone else I know a reason not to trust them except, strangely enough, you.

Kiffin has said over and over that he will not take just any QB that wont fit his system just to say he has one and then the kid rides the bench four years. Shouldn't that excite you that he is not willing to settle for just whatever is available, but instead go out and get the best? Of course not, you dont want be proven wrong....again.
 
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emainvol said:
So how many OL and DL was Fulmer pulling in before he was out?
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On the OL Fulmer had Morgan Moses, Peter White, JerQuari Schoefield, Kevin Revis, and Aubrey Phillips. After he was fired, Moses and White had said they were silents I believe.

Thats a pretty solid class.
 
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TrueOrange said:
...he did tell a 5-star qb - nation's best qb too wasn't he? - to go look elsewhere...
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He wasn't the nation's top ranked QB. I watched his highlights and wasn't all that impressed. His knee is screwed up anyway.
 
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TrueOrange said:
...he did tell a 5-star qb - nation's best qb too wasn't he? - to go look elsewhere...
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FWIW a good friend of mine is on staff at WVU and knew him personally through the process and said that they were happy when he started looking elsewhere. This particular friend said he isn't sold on Kiffin as being a great choice by us, but that Kiffin telling him to look elsewhere was a great move.

Said the kid's dad was WAY too involved and putting his nose everywhere it didn't belong...he would call Stewart on Sundays to criticize the play calling from the day before...sounds like we'll be better off waiting to try to land someone who is a better fit in the 2010 class.
 
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Vols5150 said:
You can continue to lie to yourself and believe that this year's class wasn't that important, and that it isn't that big of a deal that our recruiting relative to the O & D line was sad at best, and that recruiting a high caliber QB was not the most important thing Kiffin needed to accomplish.
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I was not on board with Kiffin but a "wait and see" fan at the start. He's impressed me with most of the things he's done since with the notable exception of being mistaken about that recruiting rule.

The ONLY major flaw in this past recruiting class that will most likely have detrimental effects on his effort to raise the program is the failure to sign two more OL's.

Recruiting a QB in the 09 class was FAR from the most important thing he needed to accomplish with that class. Contrary to popular myth, QB wasn't the biggest problem for UT last year on O. You can't throw from your back to WR's that can't get open. In fact, QB was one of the least important things. The two most important things were OL and a big WR. He's doing his best to make lemonade with both of those situations. We'll have to wait and see how it works out.

In case you missed it, we needed a QB. Period.
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NO. And even if you were right, which you are not, it wouldn't justify going out and just signing anyone you could get whether they matched your system or not.

We shall see who's claims were wrong come fall. We shall see if your "goofy" claim that Kiffin is prepared to be a HC at a major univ works out.
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He may fail completely but this fall or even next will not tell that tale. This year he's working with what's left. Next year he's working with what's left plus youth. His real test is being competitive for the next two years and then making a strong move in '11.

There are alot of coaches that would have done worse and few that would have done better with this recruiting year. Am I saying it was "good enough"? No. Because of the deficiencies in this class '10 could easily be a losing season... but he did what he could with the hand he was dealt.
 
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utfantilidie said:
1.Gives the incoming freshman a fair chance to play
2. Doesn’t suck up to fellow SEC rivalry coaches
3.No-nonsense when you can’t follow the rules you’re “Outta-here!”
4.Marry the pretty gator alums so they can’t
5.Manage to outwit nepotism rules in place :)
6. Sharing the money with all your fellow staff members, not a hoarder.
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7. Doesnt say that we are going to "work like heck", we are actually working our balls off to be winners.

8. Calling it like he sees it, no more BS here.
 
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utfantilidie said:
1.Gives the incoming freshman a fair chance to play
2. Doesn’t suck up to fellow SEC rivalry coaches
3.No-nonsense when you can’t follow the rules you’re “Outta-here!”
4.Marry the pretty gator alums so they can’t
5.Manage to outwit nepotism rules in place :)
6. Sharing the money with all your fellow staff members, not a hoarder.
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7.Student of Sun Tzu.

8.PR genius.
 
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sjt18 said:
It is a very martial and strategic game.
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exactly. planning and points of attack become huge


and in both you've got a huge group of people cheering on their players/warriors on the field of play / field of battle...

in ways it's almost like revamped of the old "have your best warriors meet and fight" form of war that the greeks, early romans, or israelites/philistines used to do in ancient times
 
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bburger991 said:
On the OL Fulmer had Morgan Moses, Peter White, JerQuari Schoefield, Kevin Revis, and Aubrey Phillips. After he was fired, Moses and White had said they were silents I believe.

Thats a pretty solid class.
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So two guys that are on the team, two guys who claimed to have silently committed and one guy who we never had locked up. I dunno if I would go as far as to call that solid, it is based on a lot of assumption.
 
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DaKiffinator said:
7. Doesnt say that we are going to "work like heck", we are actually working our balls off to be winners.

8. Calling it like he sees it, no more BS here.
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I agree with this. CPF tried to spin everything to make it seem like things were fine. Wrong move.
 
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