Kiffin Likes What he sees in Bryce Brown

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OWB said:
You know he'll play but I don't know about starting.
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I don't know. To me it sounds like Kiffin is just looking for a reason to start Brown. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he got the first carry of the season.
 
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He's a vegetarian? Ate his first steak the other day at Eddie Gran's house?

I just lost some faith in the kid right there.
 
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vols kick balls said:
I don't know. To me it sounds like Kiffin is just looking for a reason to start Brown. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he got the first carry of the season.
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Maybe, who knows what Kiffin is going to do? I wouldn't be shocked, but I'd assume that they're going to take a work him in approach.
 
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For the past 3 or 4 years, I would be on here in the summer and see thread after thread, post after post, and article after article, about how much Fulmer was complimenting such and such a player or unit. The usual pre-season atta boys, which are totally meaningless. All teams and coaches do this and it drives me nuts that it gets reported as "news."

And now I am starting to see it with Kiffin. Does anyone know if he has come out and blasted a player or a unit for not working hard enough or having some great deficiency that needs a ton of work over the next two months or that is going to be the focus of a lot of coaching once camps start up?

I would really respect a coach that had the cajones to say, know what, we really suck at this one thing right now and we are going to shake it up and demand a whole lot more from who or whatever.
 
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lawgator1 said:
For the past 3 or 4 years, I would be on here in the summer and see thread after thread, post after post, and article after article, about how much Fulmer was complimenting such and such a player or unit. The usual pre-season atta boys, which are totally meaningless. All teams and coaches do this and it drives me nuts that it gets reported as "news."

And now I am starting to see it with Kiffin. Does anyone know if he has come out and blasted a player or a unit for not working hard enough or having some great deficiency that needs a ton of work over the next two months or that is going to be the focus of a lot of coaching once camps start up?

I would really respect a coach that had the cajones to say, know what, we really suck at this one thing right now and we are going to shake it up and demand a whole lot more from who or whatever.
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He took the number off of Bradon Warren this spring. He said that he had a lot to do to get it back.
 
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abvol said:
He took the number off of Bradon Warren this spring. He said that he had a lot to do to get it back.
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Ok, well that's a step in the right direction. Still, I'd like to see something in the July or August timeframe, you know what I mean? Just sooooo boring to have these coaches touting this guy or that. We know they are all good athletes and show great promise, working hard, showing up early for practice and leaving late, etc., etc.

These guys want to play professional football. Now is a good time to introduce them to the fact that its a what have you done for me lately kind of a world.
 
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lawgator1 said:
For the past 3 or 4 years, I would be on here in the summer and see thread after thread, post after post, and article after article, about how much Fulmer was complimenting such and such a player or unit. The usual pre-season atta boys, which are totally meaningless. All teams and coaches do this and it drives me nuts that it gets reported as "news."

And now I am starting to see it with Kiffin. Does anyone know if he has come out and blasted a player or a unit for not working hard enough or having some great deficiency that needs a ton of work over the next two months or that is going to be the focus of a lot of coaching once camps start up?

I would really respect a coach that had the cajones to say, know what, we really suck at this one thing right now and we are going to shake it up and demand a whole lot more from who or whatever.
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Considering he isn't allowed to monitor work outs, he would be crazy to blast a player in front of the press with out witnessing it first hand. Wait til practices start and then we'll see how he discusses the team with the press.
 
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vols kick balls said:
Considering he isn't allowed to monitor work outs, he would be crazy to blast a player in front of the press with out witnessing it first hand. Wait til practices start and then we'll see how he discusses the team with the press.
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Good point. But do you get my main argument here? --- that coaches ought to start demainding more from the players publicly? I mean, you don't have to humilate them --- "This guy sucks" wouldn't be particularly helpful. But certainly "you know, this kid has a ton of talent but if he doesnt get into the weight room real soon and start running some sprints, he's going to find himself watching more than he plays."

I would love that approach.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Good point. But do you get my main argument here? --- that coaches ought to start demainding more from the players publicly? I mean, you don't have to humilate them --- "This guy sucks" wouldn't be particularly helpful. But certainly "you know, this kid has a ton of talent but if he doesnt get into the weight room real soon and start running some sprints, he's going to find himself watching more than he plays."

I would love that approach.
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I can't believe you're comparing Kiffin to Fulmer using this reasoning.

Kiffin kicked MULTIPLE players off the team this Spring for various reasons, either because they were "too soft" or "didn't fit the system" or "not competitive enough" or "had off-the-field problems." And also, quite a few players chose to leave the team because it was "too hard." (Creer, Coleman, Paige).

He publicly called out Morley multiple times before kicking him off the team, and he publicly called out Warren who then actually stepped up and started playing the way he was supposed to.
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
I can't believe you're comparing Kiffin to Fulmer using this reasoning.

Kiffin kicked MULTIPLE players off the team this Spring for various reasons, either because they were "too soft" or "didn't fit the system" or "not competitive enough" or "had off-the-field problems." And also, quite a few players chose to leave the team because it was "too hard." (Creer, Coleman, Paige).

He publicly called out Morley multiple times before kicking him off the team, and he publicly called out Warren who then actually stepped up and started playing the way he was supposed to.
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I didn't mean to compare the two in the sense that Kiffin is following some sort of Fulmer mold on the subject, but I do think that all coaches do this sort of trite b.s. that everything is just wonderful and it boggles the mind that they aren't a bit more critical.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I didn't mean to compare the two in the sense that Kiffin is following some sort of Fulmer mold on the subject, but I do think that all coaches do this sort of trite b.s. that everything is just wonderful and it boggles the mind that they aren't a bit more critical.
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I totally understand your point and agree with it. I have a feeling that Kiffin is a little too open about that stuff in the media. Kinda like Jack Del Rio, I love Jack but, he talks about players a little to much in the media IMO.

I agreed with what he said about Big John though.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I didn't mean to compare the two in the sense that Kiffin is following some sort of Fulmer mold on the subject, but I do think that all coaches do this sort of trite b.s. that everything is just wonderful and it boggles the mind that they aren't a bit more critical.
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Right now, it's a dead period. Coaches aren't allowed to watch the players practice. You saw Kiffin dish out lots of criticism during the Spring, I'm sure you'll see it a lot during August when camp starts.

I don't think that complimenting one player shows that Kiffin is displaying "trite b.s." and saying "that everything is just wonderful."
 
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lawgator1 said:
Good point. But do you get my main argument here? --- that coaches ought to start demainding more from the players publicly? I mean, you don't have to humilate them --- "This guy sucks" wouldn't be particularly helpful. But certainly "you know, this kid has a ton of talent but if he doesnt get into the weight room real soon and start running some sprints, he's going to find himself watching more than he plays."

I would love that approach.
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I believe there were some days this spring where he openly admitted that there was a long way to go in terms of quarterback play. I know it would be hard to pretend otherwise, and it wasn't the daily norm, but there were days that he certainly didn't praise them. Said they had to get after it harder the next day, etc. Again, it wasn't late summer like you're talking, but he has definitely proved that he will be frank like you're asking.
 
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lawgator1 said:
For the past 3 or 4 years, I would be on here in the summer and see thread after thread, post after post, and article after article, about how much Fulmer was complimenting such and such a player or unit. The usual pre-season atta boys, which are totally meaningless. All teams and coaches do this and it drives me nuts that it gets reported as "news."

And now I am starting to see it with Kiffin. Does anyone know if he has come out and blasted a player or a unit for not working hard enough or having some great deficiency that needs a ton of work over the next two months or that is going to be the focus of a lot of coaching once camps start up?

I would really respect a coach that had the cajones to say, know what, we really suck at this one thing right now and we are going to shake it up and demand a whole lot more from who or whatever.
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He also cleared a lot of the deadwood that was left by Fulmer when he first came. Remember the 11 or so players that have left the program before and after spring practice.
 
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lawgator1 said:
For the past 3 or 4 years, I would be on here in the summer and see thread after thread, post after post, and article after article, about how much Fulmer was complimenting such and such a player or unit. The usual pre-season atta boys, which are totally meaningless. All teams and coaches do this and it drives me nuts that it gets reported as "news."

And now I am starting to see it with Kiffin. Does anyone know if he has come out and blasted a player or a unit for not working hard enough or having some great deficiency that needs a ton of work over the next two months or that is going to be the focus of a lot of coaching once camps start up?

I would really respect a coach that had the cajones to say, know what, we really suck at this one thing right now and we are going to shake it up and demand a whole lot more from who or whatever.
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Anyone who knows anything about management knows that you compliment in public and counsel in private; it's called "having your players back" also, where you tell them what they need to do to get better but don't shame them in front of the fans. It's up to the player to respond and get better.
 
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chuck0303 said:
Anyone who knows anything about management knows that you compliment in public and counsel in private; it's called "having your players back" also, where you tell them what they need to do to get better but don't shame them in front of the fans. It's up to the player to respond and get better.
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