Kiffin Failing? How to Tell (the entire series merged)

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#101
TgrFan76 said:
Well, Saban has yet to show he is faithful to any school or program and one can say the jury is still out on Meyer because of the swirlings about him jumping to ND on the first offer. However Miles is a different story, he had an opportunity to go to his alamater but chose to stay at LSU. However, one thing those three to have in common is they have won 4 NCs between them. What category will LK fall into? No one knows.
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Do you know the details of the story? He "chose" to stay as much as I chose to stay.
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#102
#102
BigPapaVol said:
Do you know the details of the story? He "chose" to stay as much as I chose to stay.
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I have no idea what you are talking about. He was offered the Michigan job but chose to stay at LSU. There really isn't much left to the story.
 
#103
#103
TgrFan76 said:
I have no idea what you are talking about. He was offered the Michigan job but chose to stay at LSU. There really isn't much left to the story.
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yes there is. You act as if he was left with a choice. He had no options, giving the timing of the breaking news. Had Herbstreit's story not hit when it did and Miles' agent not missed several phone calls, the thing would have gone down entirely differently.

Thank goodness for SEC fans that it went down the way it did. What would LSU be with a coach for all that talent?
 
#106
#106
BigPapaVol said:
yes there is. You act as if he was left with a choice. He had no options, giving the timing of the breaking news. Had Herbstreit's story not hit when it did and Miles' agent not missed several phone calls, the thing would have gone down entirely differently.

Thank goodness for SEC fans that it went down the way it did. What would LSU be with a coach for all that talent?
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Could you elaborate on the story? And I definitely agree with that last part.
 
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#107
tm3 said:
an actual negative consequence like the major, unprecendented beatdown at The Sewer this year, complete with all the warnings and foreboding about how it was coming, specially printed T shirts, etc.?
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No, no, that's the undefined kind of stuff I'm talking about that causes you to go "Nanny nanny boo boo, you didn't whallop us like you thought!," and me to reply "Dude, you lost."

That's the harmless fun side of his attidue.

I meant more in terms of tangibile negative consequences, such as recruiting violations or violations of other NCAA rules. To say that Kiffin's temperament might not either a) lead to such a problem; or b) at least get UT looked at more closely for them, would be naive on your part.






Houston Vol said:
You have missed my entire premise. Allow me to break it down for you.
1) Kiffin & Co. are going to go after the best recruits in the country - hard

Agreed.

2) If they are successful in getting them, UT will win big, period

You don't know that. You can't know that. It is surely possible, and he seems talented, but until he has the talent to win "big," as you say, you don't know how that is going to turn out. Don't assume it.

3) coaching, smoaching (see brown, mack)
4) He is off to a damn good start, but not there yet

I am not claiming that my rather simplistic Rivals / Scout star rating analysis of Texas/Florida/USC recruiting would stand up to scientific scrutiny. No regression analyses were conducted, nor FORTRAN codes written. But it looks like a pretty good predictor to me.

It is better than none, I'll grant you that. But it is just that, a predictor.
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#108
tvolsfan said:
Could you elaborate on the story? And I definitely agree with that last part.
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The deal was essentially cut via Miles' agent. After the story broke, UM's AD was trying to get in touch with the agent to let him know that he hadn't let the story get loose, but could never contact him. In the end, Miles felt undermined with a pending championship game coming and had no option but to let his team know that he was with them by calling the press conference to kill all rumors about his Michigan deal.
 
#109
#109
BigPapaVol said:
The deal was essentially cut via Miles' agent. After the story broke, UM's AD was trying to get in touch with the agent to let him know that he hadn't let the story get loose, but could never contact him. In the end, Miles felt undermined with a pending championship game coming and had no option but to let his team know that he was with them by calling the press conference to kill all rumors about his Michigan deal.
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I do remember thinking it was crazy that Miles was talking to Michigan right before the national championship game. I assumed that LSU didn't think that much of Miles for letting him talk to Michigan.
 
#110
#110
This is his first year with a crapy qb and saban went 6 and 6 his first year at bama and look at them now possible the best team in the nation. Next year you will see how good he is when crompton is out and his recruits are in
 
#111
#111
tvolsfan said:
I do remember thinking it was crazy that Miles was talking to Michigan right before the national championship game. I assumed that LSU didn't think that much of Miles for letting him talk to Michigan.
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I think he had a contractual right, but think it was all handled via intermediaries, much the way the Butch Davis dance was handled here.
 
#112
#112
VOL_in_Florida said:
My only concern is how long does CLK plan to stay here? What ties does he have to this team, this university and the people of East Tennessee? We hired outside of the family and I question his loyalty to us. I know I am a skeptic on this subject, but it just makes me uneasy about the future. I hope CLK stays and becomes a VOL in his heart, but right now..I don't know.:question:
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My first thought was, "Where could he go from here?" He is pretty much unwelcome in the Pros. For CLK to jump to another college team he would have to demonstrate he can recruit and coach at UT. There are not a lot of schools that will out spend UT for his services at this point. Maybe he will in a few years, but not now. Once he re-establish UT as a contender, then he may get a few offers, but by then why leave a successful program?
 
#113
#113
BigPapaVol said:
yes there is. You act as if he was left with a choice. He had no options, giving the timing of the breaking news. Had Herbstreit's story not hit when it did and Miles' agent not missed several phone calls, the thing would have gone down entirely differently.

Thank goodness for SEC fans that it went down the way it did. What would LSU be with a coach for all that talent?
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No matter how you put it, it was still a choice. He's still at LSU last time I checked.
 
#116
#116
lawgator1 said:
If they are successful in getting them, UT will win big, period

You don't know that. You can't know that. It is surely possible, and he seems talented, but until he has the talent to win "big," as you say, you don't know how that is going to turn out. Don't assume it.

It is better than none, I'll grant you that. But it is just that, a predictor.
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So I have several other posts in this thread where I explain that this is, in fact, just a predictor and I can't possibly know for a fact if this is in fact true, but you isolate the Cliffs Notes version I wrote for you and object to that.

So either you have a short attention span and only read short posts, or you just like being argumentative.

You seem like an intelligent guy (I assume you are not the buxomy girl coming out of the pool - if you are, do you ever make it down to Houston?:eek:hmy:) I have no idea why you are on a rival site so much. I can think of a million things I would rather do than troll around on a gator or bama football site, but to each his own. I shouldn't even spend this much time on this site, but I am in between assignments at work and have lots of time to kill. Being that you are here, it would be very interesting to trade thoughts on the Gator/Vol rivalry (not that there is much of a rivalry right now). But I refuse to do that if you aren't going to read what I write and then engage honestly. Your call.
 
#119
#119
Houston Vol said:
I have no idea why you are on a rival site so much. I can think of a million things I would rather do than troll around on a gator or bama football site, but to each his own. .
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not only a great thread, but a great call on the Gator trolls.

man you are on a roll!
 
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